Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

real life wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

The "heavens and the earth" show that physics works. Time, energy, mass, and chemistry are real, all else is at best a guess.

Where did mass and energy come from, Timber?

Dunno - and neither does anyone else - some folks feel a need to swear by a guess, a guess which requires a highly improbable confluence of interdependent unwarranted assumptions, but thats just silly.

RL wrote:

If you think there is realistically a third or fourth or fifth reasonable possibility then put it out there. If not, then throw in the towel, my friend, and admit that there are two: Matter was created, or it wasn't.

Then address the question which of the two could best account for all of the complexity and intricacy of design that we see in the universe, systems that function according to regulating principles and are predictable, many processes that are so complex that we barely understand the workings of them:

A) Eternally pre-existing matter and sheer blind chance

B) An incredibly intelligent Creator whose nature we cannot fully comprehend

Nonsense. Neither I nor anyone else knows what possibilities there may be. What today is commonplace was science fiction a generation ago, barely imagined a century ago, and inconceivable a millenium ago. As we live, we learn. As we learn, we learn there is yet more to learn, and we learn new ways to learn. Easy, comforting "answers" appeal to some, others are not so gullible, prefering instead to continue to learn. Striking boldly into the unknown is our purpose. Embracing the unknown, exploring it, learning from it, building on what we have learned in order to learn ever more, not fearing it, denying it, and mythologizing it, not building walls of dogma, doctrine, and tradition from behind which to hide from the unknown - that is what has driven humankind's ascent from the savannah into interstellar space and propells us beyond, always beyond - the next valley, across the next mouintains, across continents and oceans, to the moon and the planets and beyond, always beyond. Curiosity and inventiveness are the best of humankind, fear and superstition the worst.

timberlandko wrote:

real life wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

The "heavens and the earth" show that physics works. Time, energy, mass, and chemistry are real, all else is at best a guess.

Where did mass and energy come from, Timber?

Dunno - and neither does anyone else - some folks feel a need to swear by a guess, a guess which requires a highly improbable confluence of interdependent unwarranted assumptions, but thats just silly.

In the beginning God created the heavens [energy] and the earth [mass].

RexRed wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

real life wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

The "heavens and the earth" show that physics works. Time, energy, mass, and chemistry are real, all else is at best a guess.

Where did mass and energy come from, Timber?

Dunno - and neither does anyone else - some folks feel a need to swear by a guess, a guess which requires a highly improbable confluence of interdependent unwarranted assumptions, but thats just silly.

In the beginning God created the heavens [energy] and the earth [mass].

Mass and Energy are the same thing in different forms. Are you suggesting that Heaven and Earth are likewise?

Ros

Energy may go way beyond the realm of mass...

rosborne979 wrote:

Mass and Energy are the same thing in different forms. Are you suggesting that Heaven and Earth are likewise?

God made man in his own image...

RexRed wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:

Mass and Energy are the same thing in different forms. Are you suggesting that Heaven and Earth are likewise?

God made man in his own image...

So now you're suggesting that God and Man are the same thing as well?

RexRed wrote:

Ros

Energy may go way beyond the realm of mass...

What does that mean?

rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Ros

Energy may go way beyond the realm of mass...

What does that mean?

Not all energy is in the physical realm...

Whether or not a deity or deities may exsit, the God-of-thr-Bible concept is a human construct. Man made God in his own image.

And as to your false dicotomy, RL, as rosborne points out, mass and energy are but differing aspects of the same thing; they are equivalent; E=MC² and all, if you'll recall. Nobody knows what, if anything, might have come "Before", or if even there was a before - perhaps, for instance, there is more to what we characterize as time than currently encompassed by our understanding, or perhaps energy, mass, or the mass-energy equivalent were something other than now appears to be the case. We simply do not at this time possess the skills or information required to determine such. What is known is that whatever if anything preceded the current condition is beyond our present understanding. Only a fool claims to have the answer before the question is understood.

E=MC² doesn't change the nature of the question, though you might like to think it does.

The question is very easy to understand.

There are still two options on the table ( since you fail to reasonably postulate a third) :

a) 'Matter' ( or 'matter and energy' or 'just energy alone' . Take your pick.) were not created ; i.e. it or they were eternally pre-existent and had no beginning point

b) 'Matter' ( or 'matter and energy' or 'just energy alone' . Take your pick. ) were created ; i.e. it or they did have a beginning point

Timber could you please try to make more sense?

I know I am not that sensible myself but how about some plain phraseology?

I do really want to understand...