Life keeps insisting there are only two choices...
a) matter and energy always existed...or...
b) matter and energy were created.
I have offered a third possibility...the fact that "matter and energy" may be nothing more than an illusion.
In response to Timber, Life wrote:
Quote:Each of the possibilities that you outline fall into one of the two categories, Timber.
The fact that matter and energy MAY be nothing more than an illusion...
...does not.
In any case...even if one were to make the mistake Life is making and assume there are only the two possibilities...
...and even if one were to suppose that the more logical of the two is that matter and energy were created...
...that would still not lead to...
..."then matter and energy were created by a god"...
...and even more importantly, it would certainly not lead to...
..."then matter and energy were created by the god of the Bible when the god of the Bible was not too busy being a jealous, tyrannical, vindictive, vengeful, quick-to-anger slow-to-forgive, comical, petty, barbaric monster."
So what difference does it really make?
Anyone interested in Life's question should just toss a coin to decide on an answer...because it is not something that can be determined on the evidence...and it doesn't matter which way one comes down on the question.