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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:09 pm
I rather doubt that every home in the world has a bible, and in fact suspect that billions and billions of homes don't.

The rest of that, of course, is just snotty and childish personal insult.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:14 pm
I'm sure they have a sense of morality, and they will be judged according to that.

Snotty and childish....maybe....truthful.....yes
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:17 pm
Not truthful at all. Frank has demonstrated time and again that he has read and understood the bobble. All you have ever demonstrated is a predilection for incomprehensible and unsubstantiated statements about what you claim it means.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:21 pm
Bobble.......wow you are more childish than I am.

As I have said a million times before, if you are looking for error in something, you will find error...if you are looking for understanding, you will find understanding. If you do find something that you don't understand, you ask others about it and you continue to look for understanding.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:36 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Essentially, you Christians are saying that


and blah blah blah

There is no "you Christians" anymore than there is "you Liberals" or "you foreigners".

There are some Christians (and some of them are on these boards) who do say what Frank says "Christians" say. It's simply not a one size fits all designation.

It's one of the reasons I tend to ask other Christians which translation of the Bible they're using. It gives me a basic framework to try and understand where they're getting some of their ideas. And truthfully, I do sometimes shut down based on their response.


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Keep in mind that I addressed a particular question to a particular mind-set...and that you offered a response. I don't think it is inappropriate to assume that you are part of the group to whom I addressed my question.


Frank, if you don't know by now that making assumptions is problematic ...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:40 pm
One is not obliged to "look for understanding" in the ramblings of a primitive, racist and misogynist set of tribes in the middle east thousands of years ago. That you choose to do so seems to me evidence of your dissociation from reality. I use "bobble" because i've heard so many adherents pronounce it so. The word "bible" comes from the Greek word for book--it's not the only book out there, and has no merit to recommend it as "The Book."
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:57 pm
thunder_runner32 wrote:
Frank wrote:

You see, Link...I am asking: If your god is so powerful...and if your wants us to know what it is like...and wants us to know what pleases or offends it...and wants us to know what it expects of us...

...why didn't it do a better job of getting the message out?


Ummmm, I think almost every home in the world has got a bible, and if you can't understand it (or you want some pretty pictures) Get a children's bible.


Well...as Set noted...not every home has a Bible. Mine does...several, in fact. Here's a bibliography of them.



St. Joseph Edition of The New American Bible; Catholic book Publishing, NY; 1968 (Catholic)

The New American Bible; Thomas Nelson Inc, Nashville; 1971 (Catholic)

The Holy Bible King James Version; Thomas Nelson, Nashville: 1984 (Protestant)

The Holy Bible New International Version; Zondervan Bible Pub. Grand Rapids; 1978 (Non-demoninational)

The Scofield Reference Holy Bible (King James Version); Oxford Univ. Press; NY; 1909 (Protestant)

The Holy Scriptures Masoretic Text; Jewish Publ Society; Philadelphia: 1955 (Jewish)

The Holy Bible, St.Joseph Textbook Edition, Confraternity Version; Catholic book Publ: NY; 1963; (Catholic)

The Holy Bible Revised Berkeley Version; The Gideons Intrl; 1984; (Non-denominational Protestant)

The New American Catholic Edition of The Holy Bible; Benziger Bros, Boston; 1950 (Catholic)

The Old Testament; Guild Press NY; 1965 (Catholic)

The Living Bible; Holman Illustrated Edition: A.J. Holman Co; Philadelphia; 1973 (Protestant)

The Holy Bible; King James Version; The World Publ Co: Cleveland; (no date); (Protestant)

The Old Testament; Hebrew Publishing Co: NY; 1916 (English & Hebrew) (Jewish)

**** I also use the following books for my postings.

The Common Catechism of the Christian Faith: Seabury Press;NY 1975 (Protestant)

Catechism of the Catholic Church: Libreria Editrice Vaticana; Urbi et Orbi Comm; 1994 (Catholic)

The New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism: Catholic Book Publish; NY; 1962 (Catholic)


The point is, though, as has been discussed betwen Link and me...is that Christians constantly claim there are errors in them...made my men.

My question...for perhaps the 5th or 6th time is: Why...if your god is so interested in letting humans know what it is like...what pleases and offends it...and what it expects of humans...

...why, oh, why has it not done a better job of getting the message out?. (No matter how many Bibles are in existence.)


How about answering that question, Thunder...instead of evading it?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 02:59 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Essentially, you Christians are saying that


and blah blah blah

There is no "you Christians" anymore than there is "you Liberals" or "you foreigners".

There are some Christians (and some of them are on these boards) who do say what Frank says "Christians" say. It's simply not a one size fits all designation.

It's one of the reasons I tend to ask other Christians which translation of the Bible they're using. It gives me a basic framework to try and understand where they're getting some of their ideas. And truthfully, I do sometimes shut down based on their response.


Quote:
Keep in mind that I addressed a particular question to a particular mind-set...and that you offered a response. I don't think it is inappropriate to assume that you are part of the group to whom I addressed my question.


Frank, if you don't know by now that making assumptions is problematic ...


Thank you for your input, Beth. You know I value what you have to say. I am using a shorthand that you may find offensive...and for that, I apologize. But I gotta be honest...I'm gonna keep doing it. It serves my purpose. Please feel free to exclude yourself from anything you think does not apply.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 03:05 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
agree gf if I ever came upon one of those hermy thingys I'd dispense with it straightaway, no problem.

The problem for me is the LACK OF PHOTOS. I know they didnt have digital cameras or even colour photography in those days, but you would expect the odd black and white or sepia tint photograph to give the whole thing a sense of gravitas. Also no stats. Not a pie chart or graph or tabulated data. Plenty of references to the Above, but thats about it.



Those damned begats are full of stats - and the bit where it tells you how many hundreds of years the first humans lived and how bluddy small the damned Ark was('nt.)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 03:50 pm
oh yes forgot about the begatting business

but no photos

probably a good thing now I think about it
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 06:24 pm
Nothing like a tragic hurricane to bring the religious nuts out.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3138779,00.html

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/083105nola.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/173/story_17395_1.html

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/cwarchive_090205.html
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:28 am
good links xingu thanks

so far God destroyed New Orleans

because it was decadent according to Christians
because G W Bush supports Gaza strip withdrawal according to Jews
because God has got tired of protecting America according to other Christians
because of the invasion of Iraq according to Muslims (actually not sure about this)

etc

can we compile a comprehensive list of all the reasons why God destroyed New Orleans?
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:53 am
And don't forget this happened just before a big Gay festival that was to take place in NO.

God hates Gays.

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

But then, God hates shrimp as well.

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

and figs

http://www.godhatesfigs.com/

and America

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

and Sweden

http://www.godhatessweden.com/

and Canada

http://www.godhatescanada.com/

God just hates

http://godhates.com/

And let's not forget "failure of New Orleans' black residents to study Torah."

God wrote a series of books that makes people believe that he hates and loves everything. By doing so God has ensured that there will be conflicting views, quarrels and bloodshed for eternity.

Why did God do this?

I think he's easily bored.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 11:51 am
lol

I think you are probably right, God has a low boredom threshold. Perhaps that was why He told 3 individuals that they represent His special people....then brought them together to watch what happens. Like cosmic Big Brother before the advent of tv.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 11:59 am
Xinqu & Steve...

...if there is a God...I doubt seriously if that God gets involved in stuff like this.

The quotes you folks gave all have a particular god in mind.

That god...that cartoon god...a god that does not deserve capitalization...

...is almost not worth satirizing.

The operative word, however...is "almost."

Thanks for the laughs.

...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:16 pm
"..if there is a God...I doubt seriously if that God gets involved in stuff like this"

What you mean like He's watching another channel?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 01:15 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
"..if there is a God...I doubt seriously if that God gets involved in stuff like this"

What you mean like He's watching another channel?


Wouldn't be surprised.

In any case...this might be a good time to bring up the only prayer I've ever thought worth praying:

Dear GOD...if you are still around...please knock it off. Go bother some other galaxy. We can handle this ourselves.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 02:22 pm
I think God can take a joke.

Thats why I spell the word with a capital G.

I have my own ideas about the divine which I can hardly express even to myself. So I dont try and explain it to others.
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 07:14 pm
Seems like in every debate or discussion with an agnostic or atheist...at some point, the agnostic or atheist will assert that something from the Bible is being misinterpreted...or misused in some way.

What is it with that?



Frank,
I might be willing to give a little credence to your argument if you could show me a book, any book, that couldn't be misinterpreted or misused.

Especially a book about subjects (gods, heaven, faith, etc) you yourself readily admit can't be proven or disproven.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:06 pm
slkshock--

I was just reading through and was thinking as you were. Anything written can be interpreted differently.

Actually, I think that unique interpretation is planned. If the Book had been the sole preferred mode of communication, the Spirit would be of no use.
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