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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:37 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
What is with you? Ok timber, how is this:

I concede. I cannot meet your challenge. You win! What's your address? I will send you a cigar.

Are we finished now?

You're welcome to quit whenever you feel doing so serves your purpose - allow me to offer a personal observation based on what so far has been your practice in this particular digression:

http://www.ixtreme.com/pictures/fullsize/photo59.jpg

Your call.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:39 pm
Good grief. You can't even let it go when someone says fine, you are right. Still gotta get in another dig? (Pun intended.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:39 pm
There's a saying in Asia, picture worth a thousand words. LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:45 pm
It's okay to pontificate about one's religion, but don't want any challenge to it. Public playrounds do get a little tough sometimes, but if you're willing to hash it, be willing to accept the challenges.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 05:05 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Still gotta get in another dig? (Pun intended.)

Gotta keep a sense of humor in all this ... its encouraging to see that hasn't escaped you. Twisted Evil
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 06:39 pm
timberlandko wrote:
And again you rely on the exclusively internal, circularly referential validation of your proposition as existant wholly and only within its own canon.

Here's a challenge for you; validy differentiate between "Faith" and "Superstition". Mind you, that "VALIDLY" qualifier is the kicker; you may not use theistic doctrine, dogma, or canon to do so, as to employ such perforce entails the fallacy of petitio principii, thereby insurmountably invalidating any argument thus based.
You guys are having all the fun. Can I get in here?

'Course, all I can do is point in a reasonable direction.

I would use the description of faith provided by Paul in Hebrews 11:1: "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. . ."

John casts some light on the meaning of this in 1 John 4:1: "Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world."

This is just my opinion, of course, but it certainly seems that the bible writers are exhorting us not to take anything for granted. Well how may we do this? We certainly can't test our faith in the laboratory, can we?

Well, you know how I hate long posts, so I'll have to curtail this argument after having made this point. Jesus, in the Sermon on the mount reminded us to "Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU. " (Matthew 7:7)

I submit that faith will stand up to the above scrutiny while superstition will not.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 06:40 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Actually that was .02c worth.


Not to me.


Aw, c'mon Momma. .02ΓΈ is only 2/10th of a cent. He gave you more than he usually gives. ;-)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 06:54 pm
There is rarely any value posted on these threads that MA finds worth consideration for logical debate - whether posted by me or anybody else that disagrees with her religion/belief system. She obfuscates all challenges with nonsense - or no answer at all.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:03 pm
If the shoe fits. . . .
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:04 pm
yes, exactly my size.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:08 pm
I'm sorry, dys. That is clearly CI's shoe.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:08 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Setanta, I am not playing your atheist game. You have said you were an atheist yourself.


Got proof of that, big mouth?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:09 pm
Lash wrote:
I'm sorry, dys. That is clearly CI's shoe.

you seen my feet?
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:12 pm
Too late!
Someone already ate!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:13 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
There is rarely any value posted on these threads that MA finds worth consideration for logical debate - whether posted by me or anybody else that disagrees with her religion/belief system. She obfuscates all challenges with nonsense - or no answer at all.


Aw, C.I..... You have been over at the New Words I Learned Today thread, haven't you? That's ok. I almost spit my pepsi all over the screen with the logical debate and your name showing together.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 07:36 pm
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
... here's a challenge for you; validy differentiate between "Faith" and "Superstition". Mind you, that "VALIDLY" qualifier is the kicker; you may not use theistic doctrine, dogma, or canon to do so, as to employ such perforce entails the fallacy of petitio principii, thereby insurmountably invalidating any argument thus based.
You guys are having all the fun. Can I get in here?

'Course, all I can do is point in a reasonable direction.

I would use the description of faith provided by Paul in Hebrews 11:1: "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld" ...
I submit that faith will stand up to the above scrutiny while superstition will not.

I submit that response in no way meets, let alone satisfies the challenge at issue. Lets take a look at that Matthew reference, Neo, not rejecting it out-of-hand (even though you base your argument on the canon of the proposition you seek to support Twisted Evil ) -

[url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:7-8&version=9;]Matthew 7: 7-8[/url] wrote:
(KJV)

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

I submit I do "ask", yet do not "receive" that which putatively is alledged to be there for all "that seeketh", I submit that I "knock", yet nothing is "opened" to me; I am met only with hollow echoes, both from The Scriptures and from the proponents of same. I refer you further to Matthew 7 again:

[url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:20;&version=9;]Matthew 7: 20[/url] wrote:
(KJV)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

One may gather only the fruits one encounters.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 02:50 am
Religious belief is not rooted in tests and repeatability. The religionists sound like used-car salesmen. They will not face up to contradictions in the bobble nor plain statements that show their foundation is faulty or even non-existent. All they have are made-up statements of half truths and anyone straying one bit from it are labelled heretics, apostates, anti-christs, pagans, infidels thus targeting them for violence. They cannot stand criticism and they view statements that are in stark contrast to their views as harsh and hostile when it is merely merely a debate or a skepticism. They appear thin-skinned no wonder they want their views mandated and forced on everyone as their views cannot stand up to any form of review.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 08:13 am
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
Ok, Momma. Yeah, Jesus hasn't turned evil ever since his biblical accounts. But are the angels and saints pure? But Lucifer spent a long, long time in heaven before he turned evil. So, can angels and saints turn evil and be sent to Hell just like Lucifer? If pureness can be corrupted, then Jesus can also be corrupted, like Lucifer. I don't know. I'm just applying a little bit of logic [here.]


I realize I am interrupting the current discussion, ahead of time I apologize.

On another page you said that the angels had sex with women on earth? I assuming you are getting that from the genesis account of the daughters of men mixing with the daughters of God? (going by memory, so don't have exact)

This is a misconception, in my opinion. The daughters of men would be Cain descendents, the daughters of God would be Seth's. There never was angels having sex with humans. The daughters of Seth were being influenced by the daughters of Cain. (again may have my phrasing wrong)

However, the angels could sin and did which is why the devil sinned, (haven't studied too much of that) and why the devil has his own angels. Jesus being both the Son of God and Son of man through the virgin Mary and line of David, could sin which is why the devil tempted him. What would have been the point of the devil tempting him if he couldn't sin? However, he didn't sin, he was able to live a sinless life because he is also the Son of God. (according to the Bible)
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 08:34 am
Remember the lesson of Aniken Skywalker.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 08:47 am
Momma Angel wrote:

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Setanta, I am not playing your atheist game. You have said you were an atheist yourself.


Mr. Setanta Wrote:

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Got proof of that, big mouth?


Yes, I do have proof.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1718583&highlight=fundy+flag#1718583

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=517988&highlight=atheist#517988

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=276268&highlight=atheist#276268

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=276268&highlight=atheist#276268
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