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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 02:17 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Another common misconception, Timber. It's the other way around. He created us.

According to whom, and by what authority, apart from that claimed in its own canon? I submit any such proposition proceeds from an illicit premise. It well may be a belief, but in no way may it be construed as conforming to fact, no matter how dearly held and strongly felt the foundational belief. It is a concept, not a fact, and the very existence of a discussion such as this confirms that and makes my point.


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We only try to make Him into what we want Him to be.

There ya go; if anyone wants a "Be All-End-All", that'll do just fine. Any theistic concept is a human construct - whether or not there is or may be any validity to any particular theistic concept.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 02:35 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Another common misconception, Timber. It's the other way around. He created us.

According to whom, and by what authority, apart from that claimed in its own canon? I submit any such proposition proceeds from an illicit premise. It well may be a belief, but in no way may it be construed as conforming to fact, no matter how dearly held and strongly felt the foundational belief. It is a concept, not a fact, and the very existence of a discussion such as this confirms that and makes my point.

Timber, with all respect. I find you to be a very intelligent human being. It is all about faith, Timber, not proof. Timber, when you stand before the Lord and He asks you if you have been a faithful servant, please don't tell Him what you just posted above. I'm afraid you won't like His reply. The Bible points that out too.

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We only try to make Him into what we want Him to be.

There ya go; if anyone wants a "Be All-End-All", that'll do just fine. Any theistic concept is a human construct - whether or not there is or may be any validity to any particular theistic concept.

Timber, I do not believe that is true. The Bible tells us who and what God is. It's true many do not understand. It's true that some will twist the Word of God for their own gains. It does not change the fact that we do know what the Bible tells us about God.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 02:57 pm
And again you rely on the exclusively internal, circularly referential validation of your proposition as existant wholly and only within its own canon.

Here's a challenge for you; validy differentiate between "Faith" and "Superstition". Mind you, that "VALIDLY" qualifier is the kicker; you may not use theistic doctrine, dogma, or canon to do so, as to employ such perforce entails the fallacy of petitio principii, thereby insurmountably invalidating any argument thus based.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:03 pm
timberlandko wrote:
And again you rely on the internal, circularly referential validation of your proposition as existant only within its own canon.

Here's a challenge for you; validy differentiate "Faith" from "Superstition". Mind you, that "VALIDLY" qualifier is the kicker; you may not use theistic doctrine, dogma, or canon to do so, as to employ such perforce entails the fallacy of petitio principii.

timber,

My faith is not based on ignorance or fear of the unknown.

You can put all the stipulations you want on my answer. Wouldn't change a thing.

I think it is a pretty common thing for those that don't have faith in God to not understand it. It's also pretty common for those of us that have faith in God not to understand why you don't.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:05 pm
Will you be responding to timber's challenge, MoAn?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:09 pm
Apparently not . . . not that anyone would expect it . . .
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:11 pm
timberlandko wrote:
...as to employ such perforce entails the fallacy of petitio principii, thereby insurmountably invalidating any argument thus based.


Good, Lawd! Even I have trouble following that!
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:13 pm
I have already answered Timber.

I have faith. I don't have superstitions.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:15 pm
The Big Bird asked you to distinguish between your faith and superstition, without appealling to petitio principii--without begging the question.

You have failed to answer Timber's question--stop lying about it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:20 pm
Mr. Setanta,

I have stated time and time and time and time again what I believe and why. If you or anyone else demands proof to your satisfaction, you aren't going to get it. I don't believe even God Himself telling you that He exists woud be enough proof for you.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:22 pm
He is a pronoun.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:27 pm
What you were asked was to distinguish your belief from any other form of superstition--you were most certainly not asked to explain what the details of your belief are. No one has asked that you provide proof that god exists.

You have failed to answer Timber's question.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:30 pm
Mr. Setanta,

Superstition is based on ignorance and fear. Faith is not.

faith:

(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion

And who would know better than me if I was fearful?

That's my answer. You don't like? So, sue me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:31 pm
The word "evasion" comes to mind.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:36 pm
Answers-dot-com wrote:
su·per·sti·tion (sū'pər-stĭsh'ən)
n.

1. An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome.
2.
1. A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
2. A fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.


So where do you dig up your definition, MOAN? How do you distinguish your faith from this definition of superstition?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:37 pm
Yeah, figured you'd throw your penny in the pile sooner or later. Rolling Eyes

I don't care if you think I evaded it or not. I cannot answer the question to any of your satisfactions and I think you know it. Even if I did, I highly doubt any of you would admit it. At least I am smart enough to recognize that fact. :wink:

You put your faith in man. I put my faith in the Lord.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:40 pm
Answers-dot-com wrote:
faith (fāth)
n.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.


Here's the definition of faith from the same source. Now we can dispense with your silly definitions with which you seek to evade the question.

Timber's question--which you have failed to answer--is how you distinguish your faith from superstition.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:40 pm
Mr. Setanta,

It's called Merriam-Webster's.

1 a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition

2 : a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary

You have my answer.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:42 pm
I have answered all I am going to answer. Admit it, you wouldn't accept anyway. Do I look like a stupid fool to you? Don't answer that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:42 pm
MOAN wrote:
. . . b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition


So, i see you concede Timber's point--that there is no distinction between your faith and superstition.
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