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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:55 pm
I have been designated a Thumper.

I think I'm going to wreck his stereotype, though.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:56 pm
Lady Lash, wouldn't surprise me a bit girl! Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:16 am
Implicator wrote:
... What I was actually taking issue with was Timber's assumption that what he is sharing is something other than his own interpretation.

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You miss the point that I'm not interpreting a damned thing, but rather reading what was written as it was written, on the assumption that what was written was what was meant.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 01:11 am
Exodus 34:27-28: "Then the Lord said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

Deuteronomy 4:13: "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 9:9: "When I went up to the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord had made with you, then I remained on the mountain forty days and nights; I neither ate bread nor drank water.

Deuteronomy 5:2-3: "The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."

1 Kings 8:9,21: V9 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, where the Lord made a covenant with the sons of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt." ... V21 "And there I have set a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord, which He made with our fathers when He brought them from the land of Egypt."

2 Chronicles 6:11: "And there I have set the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord, which He made with the sons of Israel."
The tables are part of the abolished first covenant: Heb 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. "Now even the first covenant had ... the TABLES OF THE COVENANT."

Heb 9:1-4
Hebrews 9:1,4 "Now even the first covenant had ... the tables of the covenant"
This merely illustrates how they are unable to find any way to make any real distinction of terms between the 10 commandments and what they call the ceremonial law.
Here is what Romans and Galatians says about the law:

"We are not under the law" (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 5:18).
We are dead to the law (Rom. 7:4).
We are delivered from the law (Rom. 7:6).
Christ is the end of the law (Rom. 10:4).
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ .... we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (Gal. 3:24, 25).
"The law" has been abolished (Eph. 2:15).
G. Other covenants that are not the 10 commandment Sinai covenant. The Law of Galatians 3 is the Sinai covenant, as the context says!

The first time covenant is used, it is to Noah, of the covenant (agreement) that if he builds the ark, God will make the flood waters come and destroy the earth. The rainbow is a sign of the covenant that God will never do this again!

See Gen 6:18; 9:9-17. This most certainly is not the ten commandments or the Sabbath law!
Next time covenant is used, it is to Abraham: "On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land" Gen 15:18. This is known in Gal 3:16 as the three "promises" which are: 1. Great nation promise that was fulfilled in Egypt. (Gen 46:3; Deut 10:22) 2. Land promise that was fulfilled in Joshua. (Josh 21:43; Deut 30:5) 3. The seed promise that was fulfilled in Christ. (Gal 3:16; Gal 3:29; Heb 6:11-13;19-20; Acts 13:32-33,38)
Sinai Covenant was distinct from the Abraham covenant as Deut 5:2-3 proves: "The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today." Gal 3 shows that the Sinai covenant was added ON TOP OF and ran concurrently with the Sinai covenant which was the ten commandments. When Christ came, the Sinai covenant was abolished. "What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. " … "Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions … until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. " … "But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. " … "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. " (Galatians 3:24) … "But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. " (Galatians 3:17-25)
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 01:30 am
Are you under the impression that those statements are incompatible?
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 05:21 am
Just some verses for consideration. I realize that many people do interpret the Bible in different ways and I really have no desire to get into a bible debate here; mainly because this is a forum which people from all walks of life come and offense is bound to happen.

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Exd 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:


Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:


Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 06:14 am
Perhaps C.I. could explain what he is trying to tell us.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 07:07 am
Re: Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????
Frank Apisa wrote:
Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????


Doesn't the question of "Why does the bible get misinterpreted so often?" imply that there is a "correct" intepretation out there somewhere?

What *is* the *correct* interpretation of the Bible. Is there a collective authority which defines iterpretation, and on what basis do they measure things?
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 08:20 am
One way might be to think of the Bible,and other written records from that time,as charting the destruction of the matriarchy which had been in operation for the whole of previous human history.
Such an epochal change would necessarily be considerably confused, time consuming and messy and may yet be unaccomplished.In such a schemata Paganism can be seen as simply a stage in such a shift as the vast range of divinities was gradually refined into monotheism and subsequently into an urban,scientific civilisation.

Thus the Bible as a totality can sit in the mind as a direction finder in such a dramatic and hopefully beneficial re-ordering despite its multitude of internal inconsistencies and labyrinths of ambiguities which are generally beside the point except to those who derive a living from them or even a modicum of ephemeral amusement.

6 or 7 thousand years is a very short period of time when compared to the 2 million years,some say 4,of previous human history during which time nothing of significance seems to have taken place contrary to what has happened in our patriarchal era.

"Let there be light" may simply be a poetic phrase to describe the introduction of the patriarchy.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 08:23 am
Momma Angel wrote:
J_B Wrote:

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Well, if there was any substantiation outside the words of Paul, I'd probably agree with you, MA, but since Paul was self-serving and self-aggrandizing and attempts to contradict the sayings of Jesus in the Gospels utilize Paul as their only source, I can't make that leap. The basis of salvation according to the word of Paul, just doesn't cut it, particularly as it contradicts the words of Jesus.


Would you point out where "it contradicts the words of Jesus" please?


This discussion has taken place previously. Here's one place...

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1722694#1722694

which began here

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1722468#1722468
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Implicator
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 09:37 am
timberlandko wrote:
Implicator wrote:
... What I was actually taking issue with was Timber's assumption that what he is sharing is something other than his own interpretation.

I

You miss the point that I'm not interpreting a damned thing, but rather reading what was written as it was written, on the assumption that what was written was what was meant.


Others also claim that they are simply reading what was written, as it was written, yet their "reading" is not consistent with yours. Since many of these "readings" contradict yours, it cannot be the case that you are all correct in your readings. And so the challenge remains, no matter how many different ways you restate your opinion.

How is it you know that your "reading" of the Bible is anything more than just another interpretation of what was actually written? Is it that you posses reading comprehension skills that others do not? Is it that the text of the Bible is so literal and unambiguous that there is no way for any rational person to ever come away with a "reading" that is not what was intended by the author(s)? Give me a reason that supports what you are claiming.

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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 09:47 am
J_B wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
J_B Wrote:

Would you point out where "it contradicts the words of Jesus" please?


This discussion has taken place previously. Here's one place...

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1722694#1722694

. ...
Where you brought up several points unsubstantiated. One of them
J_B wrote:
. . . Jesus' message of salvation through works and deeds vs Paul's message of salvation through faith. . .
apparently missed Paul's statement to Agrippa at Acts 2:20:". . .I went bringing the message that they should repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance. . ."

You bible thumpers are always quoting only the scriptures that suit your philosophy. Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 09:58 am
Again, Implicator, no interpretation involved, just reading the words that are there, imputing to them no meaning other than that which is theirs by definition, taking each sentence as being a complete thought in and of itself ... same way one would read any owners manual, technical guide, or legal treatise.

Now, either the Bible is an owners manual for the soul, a technical guide to the universe, and a treatise setting out and clarifying the laws and their particulars, complete in every detail, incontravertible, in keeping with its claims for itself, requiring no interpretation or interpolation, leaving room for none such, or its an assemblage of myth, tradition, and self-agrandizing agenda, interpreted by some to mean what is necessary to support a particular agenda, by others interpreted in such fashion as is convenient to support some other particular agenda. Which is it?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 09:59 am
Additional info about the law may be found in the 7th Chapter of Hebrews. I direct your attention to verse 12: "For since the priesthood is being changed, there comes to be of necessity a change also of the law."
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Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 10:00 am


I went and finally read this link (sorry, I've been overly busy lately.)

MA, a question from this.

from the above link wrote:

Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.


What 'law' is being fulfilled?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 10:02 am
Questioner wrote:


I went and finally read this link (sorry, I've been overly busy lately.)

MA, a question from this.

from the above link wrote:

Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.


What 'law' is being fulfilled?


THat's what I'd like to know. As far as I can see, the law is "an eye for an eye" apparently.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 10:05 am
Questioner asked-

Quote:
What 'law' is being fulfilled?


The law of Destiny.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 10:06 am
Questioner/Wolf_O'Donnell,

Christ took the punishment for all of our sins; therefore, the law was fulfilled.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 10:13 am
That man was different from animals because he could sacrifice his life for an idea which an animal is as incapable of doing as it is as incapable of constructing a half-decent metaphor.And that he was conscious of that difference which requires him to be reminded in the welter of events of it in case by forgetting he falls back into the animal kingdom.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 10:14 am
Momma Angel wrote:
Questioner/Wolf_O'Donnell,

Christ took the punishment for all of our sins; therefore, the law was fulfilled.


This does not answer the question.

What law? Law of Destiny? Can you point me to where in the bible this law is detailed?
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