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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 10:58 pm
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Thats sophistry, Momma A, pure and simple. Besides, if Paul's writings supercede the rest of the Bible, why have a Bible, and why call Paulism Christianity? Along with sophism, what you've got going there is inanity.
C'mon timber, If Paul's writings superseded the rest of the bible, he wouldn't have written as he did in 2Timothy 3:16. I've got to go now but I'll get back to this later.


The authorship of the three pastoral letters are presumed to be attributions, penned by someone other than Paul sometime around 90-110CE, approx 50 years after his first letter to the Thessalonians around 50-51CE.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:07 pm
Lash ifyou want the broken window fixed in your house by your logic your son could nullify your request and have the garage fixed to fit his new motorcycle.
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:07 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
You don't find anything to substantiate that? If Christ was foretold in the Old Testament and the New Testament says what you need to do to have eternal life, how can that not substantiate it?


Well, if there was any substantiation outside the words of Paul, I'd probably agree with you, MA, but since Paul was self-serving and self-aggrandizing and attempts to contradict the sayings of Jesus in the Gospels utilize Paul as their only source, I can't make that leap. The basis of salvation according to the word of Paul, just doesn't cut it, particularly as it contradicts the words of Jesus.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:11 pm
talk72000 wrote:
Lash ifyou want the broken window fixed in your house by your logic your son could nullify your request and have the garage fixed to fit his new motorcycle.

My son and I are equals, living in different houses.

Talk--sometimes, one is able to apply a template of logic over similar situations--and say Presto! See? This idea works for all situations!

This is not one of those times.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:12 pm
timberlandko wrote:
. . . The notion that God's Revealed Word To Man requires an interpreter is ridiculous; either God speaking through the Biblical authors both inspired the Bible and meant what he said, or the whole deal is off.
Quite right, timber. This is exactly why the clergy bears so much guilt.

Now, with regard to the law, Paul said in Galatians 3:24,25: "Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor."

Now what did Jesus mean about not one particle of a letter of the law not passing away? This was just after he said he came to fulfill the law, was it not? But, that had not yet taken place.

Even so, once the law was fulfilled, did that make it useless? Hardly, or Paul would not have counseled as he did in 2Timothy 3: 16: "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness."

The law, even after having been fulfilled, was still useful for learning about and meditating on God's standards.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:20 pm
Neo--

Great that you remembered Gal. 3:24-25.

Great post.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:21 pm
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
. . . The notion that God's Revealed Word To Man requires an interpreter is ridiculous; either God speaking through the Biblical authors both inspired the Bible and meant what he said, or the whole deal is off.
Quite right, timber. This is exactly why the clergy bears so much guilt.


Neo - if God just meant what he said (Timber's point that you agreed with), why is it you are explaining to Timber what God said?

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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:26 pm
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
. . . The notion that God's Revealed Word To Man requires an interpreter is ridiculous; either God speaking through the Biblical authors both inspired the Bible and meant what he said, or the whole deal is off.


Anyone can write a book. A religion based on a dead book is nothing.

Due to the way it was written, and the fact that the spirit of God uses it to reveal different things to different people, makes it a living document.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:29 pm
The one house is Christianity. There are not two houses. You deliberately dodge issues and use diversionary tactics.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:32 pm
Implicator wrote:
. . . Neo - if God just meant what he said (Timber's point that you agreed with), why is it you are explaining to Timber what God said?

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Good point. Perhaps I should have reminded everyone as Paul did to "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine." (1Thessalonians 5:21), especially when I'm flappin my lips.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:33 pm
talk72000 wrote:
The one house is Christianity. There are not two houses. You deliberately dodge issues and use diversionary tactics.

This whole crazy foray ino bizarre metaphors is a dodge of the issue.

Stop avooiding the OT and the NT.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:42 pm
You can't handle it so you are now become the boss? Typical of Thumpers. Anyway, your words say to carry on as it has TWO negatives avoid "not touch OT..." and stop avoiding "not not touch OT..." means "touch OT..."
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Implicator
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:44 pm
neologist wrote:
Implicator wrote:
. . . Neo - if God just meant what he said (Timber's point that you agreed with), why is it you are explaining to Timber what God said?

I
Good point. Perhaps I should have reminded everyone as Paul did to "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine." (1Thessalonians 5:21), especially when I'm flappin my lips.


Just so you know, I have no problem with one person sharing their interpretation of the Bible with another. I think there is great benefit in doing so. What I was actually taking issue with was Timber's assumption that what he is sharing is something other than his own interpretation.

I
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:46 pm
talk72000 wrote:
You can't handle it so you are now become the boss? Typical of Thumpers. Anyway, your words say to carry on as it has TWO negatives avoid "not touch OT..." and stop avoiding "not not touch OT..." means "touch OT..."


Shocked
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:49 pm
J_B Wrote:

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Well, if there was any substantiation outside the words of Paul, I'd probably agree with you, MA, but since Paul was self-serving and self-aggrandizing and attempts to contradict the sayings of Jesus in the Gospels utilize Paul as their only source, I can't make that leap. The basis of salvation according to the word of Paul, just doesn't cut it, particularly as it contradicts the words of Jesus.


Would you point out where "it contradicts the words of Jesus" please?
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:50 pm
We are really a friendly lot just ideas are being argued about. I don't dislike Christians just the Thumpers. Christianity is the religion I am most sympathetic with. I wouldn't want it to disappear and replace it it Atheistic Communism.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:52 pm
talk,

Could you tell me what a Thumper is to you?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:53 pm
talk72000 wrote:
You can't handle it so you are now become the boss? Typical of Thumpers. Anyway, your words say to carry on as it has TWO negatives avoid "not touch OT..." and stop avoiding "not not touch OT..." means "touch OT..."

See talk talk.

See talk avoid subject.

See talk say silly things.

That talk!
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:54 pm
The far right wing Fundy Christian like Falwell, Robertson, et al.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 11:55 pm
Gotcha :wink:
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