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Should New Orleans be rebuilt?

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2005 06:36 am
I have been reading that New Orleans waters have become toxic and there has been one death so far related to unsafe waters from a someone in texas. I imagine it is going to take a while to get the area safe enough to rebuild in the first place.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5263867,00.html

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Searchers were armed with proof of what many holdouts had long feared: The floodwaters are thick with sewage-related bacteria that are at least 10 times higher than acceptable safety limits. The muck contains E. coli, certain viruses and a type of cholera-like bacteria.

``If you haven't left the city yet, you must do so,'' said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. She urged anyone coming into contact with the water to scrub with soap and water.

The danger of infection wasn't limited to the New Orleans area. The bacteria is feared to have migrated to crowded shelters outside the state, where many evacuees are staying. Four deaths - one in Texas, three in Mississippi - have been attributed to wound infections, said Tom Skinner, spokesman for the CDC.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 12:40 am
Quote:
New Orleans council vows to rebuild city

Friday, September 09, 2005

By Don Babwin, The Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS -- At Louis Armstrong Airport, now a bustling military encampment, New Orleans' City Council met for the first time yesterday since Hurricane Katrina, with members defending how they handled the disaster and defiantly vowing to rebuild.


"New Orleans has been built back from many disasters," said Councilwoman Cynthia Hedge Morrell. "New Orleans was here before there was a United States of America."


Some 400,000 homes in the city are without power, with no immediate prospect of getting it back. Where water has been restored, it is not drinkable. The city is still dangerous -- not primarily, as it was last week, from armed criminals, but from the sewage-laden floodwaters, which are believed to contain E. coli and other dangerous germs.


Fires were also a continuing problem. At least 11 blazes burned across the city Thursday, including a rash of fires that raged across the campus of historically black Dillard University, destroying three large buildings.

More stragglers seemed willing to flee the filthy water and stench of death Thursday as increasingly insistent rescuers made what may be their last peaceful pass through swamped New Orleans before using force.


"Some are finally saying, `I've had enough," said U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Michael Keegan. "They're getting dehydrated. They are running out of food. There are human remains in different houses. The smells mess with your psyche."


Across the flooded city, as many as 10,000 holdouts were believed to be stubbornly staying put.


Police said they were 80 percent done with their scan of the city for voluntary evacuees, after which they planned to begin carrying out Mayor Ray Nagin's order to forcibly remove remaining residents from a city filled with disease-carrying water, broken gas lines and rotting corpses.


"The ones who wanted to leave, I would say most of them are out," said Detective Sgt. James Imbrogglio. "There may be a few left, so we're going to go check one of our last areas that's underwater today and then hopefully that will be it."


The job of carrying out the mayor's order was left largely to the 1,000 or so remaining members of New Orleans' beleaguered police force.


"We are not going to be rough," said Police Chief Eddie Compass. "We are going to be sensitive. We are going to use the minimum amount of force."


The near-conclusion of the voluntary evacuation came as receding floodwaters revealed still more rotting corpses. Nagin has said the death toll in New Orleans alone could reach 10,000, and state officials were ordering 25,000 body bags.


Volunteer rescuer Gregg Silverman, part of a 14-boat contingent from Columbus, Ohio, said he expected to find many more survivors in his excursion through the city's flooded streets. Instead, he found mostly bodies.


"They had me climb up on a roof, and I did bring an ax up to where a guy had tried to stick a pipe up through a vent," Silverman said. "Unfortunately, he had probably just recently perished. His dog was still there, barking. The dog wouldn't come. We had to leave the dog just up there in the attic."


As for other bodies his group encountered: "Obviously we are not recovering them. We are just tying them up to banisters, leaving them on the roof."


Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Jason Rule said his crew pulled 18 people from their homes Thursday. He said some of the holdouts did not want to leave "unless we can take their animals."


"It's getting to the point where they're delirious," he said. "A couple of them don't know who they were. They think the water will go down in a few days."


At St. Rita's nursing home in the town of Chalmette, authorities struggled to identify as many as 30 residents who may have perished.


Dr. Bryan Patucci, coroner of St. Bernard Parish, said the nursing home staff apparently believed it was more dangerous to move the residents than keep them at the building. He said it may be impossible to identify all the victims until authorities compile a final list of missing persons.


The Army Corps of Engineers said the city was still about 60 percent flooded -- down from as much as 80 percent last week -- but was slowly being drained by 37 of the 174 pumps in the Orleans, St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, and 17 portable pumps. Together, those pumps can move 11,000 cubic feet of water per second, roughly equal to 432 Olympic-size swimming pools per hour.


Engineers said the mammoth undertaking could take months, and could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.


"It's got a huge focus of our attention right now," said John Rickey of the Corps. "Those remains are people's loved ones."


In Washington, the chief of the Environmental Protection Agency said the decision to pour heavily contaminated floodwaters from New Orleans streets into Lake Pontchartrain could pose future environmental problems.


"We were all faced with a difficult choice," EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson said. The other option was to pour the water into the Mississippi River, where it eventually would move into the Gulf of Mexico.

Meanwhile, at the Audubon Zoo, curator Dan Maloney said some of the 1,400 animals were lost, but keepers have been too busy caring for survivors to take a count. The dead included two sea otters that were moved to different tanks before Katrina and died from stress.


Some of the most vulnerable creatures -- including several macaws, eagles and a pair of African lions -- were being transferred to other zoos.


Said chief gardener Tran Asproditis: "It's just sad that this has happened and it is going to take us a long time to recover and reopen for the kids. And that's what we want to do, is just open so the kids can come back."



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(Associated Press writers Cain Burdeau, Melinda DeSlatte, Brett Martel, Erin McClam and Doug Simpson contributed to this report.)
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 08:36 am
The council is going to have an uphill battle.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050909/ap_on_re_us/katrina_ap_poll_hk1

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In Poll, Most Say Abandon Flooded Areas

WASHINGTON - More than half the people in this country say the flooded areas of New Orleans lying below sea level should be abandoned and rebuilt on higher ground.

An AP-Ipsos poll found that 54 percent of Americans want the vast sections of New Orleans that were flooded by Hurricane Katrina moved to a safer location. About 80 percent of the city was flooded at the height of the disaster. The city, home to about 484,000 people, sits six feet below sea level on average.


I really don't know if it should be rebuilt or not. I just hope that a long term effort (government as well as volunteer efforts) goes to rebuilding the lives of those affected by the hurricane.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 08:47 am
BBB
New Orleans can be rebuilt, but not on the same site and under the same conditions.

I will repeat my first posted thoughs after the levees broke and flooded the city.

"An important thing I've learned from the hurricane and the failure of the levees in New Orleans.

If the political idiots decide to restore New Orleans exactly as it was, including the levee system and maintaining the diversion of the Mississippi River in it's present artifical location, they are inviting the terrorists to wait until all the expensive restoration work is done and then all they have to do is blow up the levees and the whole thing happens all over again.

Major stupidity."

The Mississippi River must be allowed to return to its natural path, the huge lake that made it possible to divert the river to meet industrial desires can then be eliminated, and the wetlands can be restored to act as the natural continental draining mechanism for the entire river area.

Listen to A2K's own experts such as Farmerman, CowDoc and Georgeob 1, who are expert professionals who know what they are talking about.

BBB
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:04 am
A New Approach to Restoration of Louisiana Coastal Wetlands
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search/expand?pub=infobike://bell/pgeo/2004/00000025/00000001/art00002&unc=

Coast 2050: A New Approach to Restoration of Louisiana Coastal Wetlands
Authors: Denise J. Reed; Lee Wilson
Source: Physical Geography, Volume 25, Number 1, January-February 2004, pp. 4-21(18)
Publisher: Bellwether Publishing

Abstract:

The loss of Louisiana's coastal wetlands continued at a rate of over 60 km2 per year in the 1990s and continued losses of an additional 1295 km2 are projected by 2050. The rapid rate of land loss is attributed to a complex combination of natural landscape dynamics and massive human alterations of deltaic and wetland hydrology. While the problem was recognized in the 1970s, concerted attempts at restoration did not begin until the 1990s. Initial efforts largely focused on addressing local problem areas and were often defensive in nature; that is they sought to prevent future losses rather than restoring any of the wetlands which had already converted to open water. In the late 1990s, a new plan was developed with a more systemic approach to restoration. The Coast 2050 plan embraces the problems at the ecosystem scale and seeks to restore essential processes rather than continued manipulation of wetland hydrology. Implementation of this plan in the 21st century will require detailed consideration of riverine and deltaic processes, ecosystem response to changes in those processes, and the socioeconomic implications of major re-plumbing of the Mississippi River Delta.
Keywords: MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA; ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION; WETLANDS; LAND LOSS

The full text is free. Takes a few moments to download:

Webpage Title Misssissippi river delta ecosystem restorations
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:06 pm
Mississippi River Engineering Chronology
Mississippi River Engineering Chronology
Mississippi River Commission

http://www.mvd.usace.army.mil/mrc/index.php?page=timeline&loc=Includes
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:07 pm
NOOA's 2002 report to the Ocean Commission re flood hazards
NOOA's 2002 report to the Ocean Commission re flood hazards:

http://www.oceancommission.gov/documents/prelimreport/chapter10.pdf
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:07 pm
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:18 pm
you still have 2 of the same
why not just link the source?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:27 pm
Husker
husker wrote:
you still have 2 of the same
why not just link the source?


Husker, your post beat my correction attempts. All fixed now.

BBB
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:35 pm
New Orleans' levees left behind
If President Bush had funded the money the Army Corps of engineers requested to repair the New Orleans levees, it would have only cost the US $11 million for the work. Now it will cost the US taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars just to clean up the city and take care of the displaced people. The river system and levees still need to be improved and corrected and that will be billons on top of the already billions to correct the political errors. ---BBB

New Orleans' levees left behind
For years, Louisiana and the Army Corps of Engineers have tried to get funding to shore up New Orleans' levees.

In 2004, funding cutbacks stopped major work on New Orleans' east bank hurricane levees, the ones that collapsed, for the first time in 37 years. In 2004, the Army Corps requested $11 million for work on the Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project, Bush requested $3 million and Congress approved $5.5 million. In 2005, the Army Corps requested $22.5 million, Bush requested $3.9 million and Congress approved $5.7 million. In 2006, Bush requested $2.9 million.

On June 8, 2004, after the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for levee construction in New Orleans had been cut severely, Walter Maestri, the emergency management chief of Jefferson Parish, told reporters, "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."

And pay they have.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:39 pm
A good interview on NPR with a guy named Tidwell on Talk of the Nation can be found here: TotN

He discusses the reasons why the hurricane was as devestating as it was, how the coast line has changed and at least one way to rebuild responsibly.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:04 pm
Two opinion columns in the NY Times today that provide food for thought on rebuilding New Orleans -

Bruce Babbitt on making the city an island -
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/opinion/10babbitt.html?th&emc=th

Henry Petroski on raising the land -
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/opinion/10petroski.html?th&emc=th
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:09 pm
BBB
Great book to understand the Mississippi River and its huge valley and drainage.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59250&highlight=

BBB
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:09 pm
We don't have a 100 billion dollars to spare. Period.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:14 pm
I know.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:15 pm
Bear
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
We don't have a 100 billion dollars to spare. Period.


Oh, common Bear, use your imagination.

Bush can raise the money by forcing all US children to send the contents of their piggie banks to him---enforced by the point of a paint ball gun so he doesn't tarnish his compassionate image. Can't be seen robbing the little kiddies except via the out of control deficit they will inherit.

BBB
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:15 pm
If they can find it to spend on a humbug war, they can find it to rebuild New Orleans. Period. (I'm speaking from my heart. Not from my head. Sorry)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:18 pm
My larger fear is it will be rebuilt badly.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:24 pm
I dont think it should be rebuilt. It should be abandoned to serve as an example of man's stupidity.
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