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Should New Orleans be rebuilt?

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 06:33 am
If the people of New orleans want to rebuild and can find the funds to do so, they should. It should not be rebuilt, however, with federal funds.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:35 pm
From a practical point of view, if possible, New Orleans should be raised above sea level by dumping the silt on top of the soil or force feed it underneath built structures. The dredge material should also be used to build up the soil. If left as is New Orleans will only be subjected to flooding whenever there is a hurricane passing by.
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:20 pm
Oops. Let's recall why New Orleans flooded this time. It wasn't the hurricane. It was the busted levees. New Orleans has withstood many hurricanes in it's centuries old existence.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:54 pm
Most of the stories of Hurricane Katrina Caos were wrong.

Quote:

Exaggerated Stories of Hurricane Chaos in New Orleans

By Aaron Kinney


The reports coming out of New Orleans in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina were shocking. Stories of murder, rape, and relief helicopters being fired upon raced around the world in the form of breathless headlines. Problem is, most of them were wrong.

By the time Brian Thevenot, a reporter for the Times-Picayune, arrived at the New Orleans convention center on Monday, Sept. 5, the makeshift emergency shelter had achieved mythic status as a place where unspeakable crimes had been committed. Police Chief Eddie Compass had told the media that people were being raped and beaten inside.The New York Times had reported that evacuees witnessed seven dead bodies lying on the floor, and a 14-year-old girl who had been raped. Fox News, MSNBC, CNN and other television news channels had repeated stories of rape and murder there.

The convention center was empty when Thevenot arrived, except for about 250 members of the Arkansas National Guard and other rescue officials in the immediate area. The last evacuees had been bused out over the weekend. Thevenot interviewed guardsmen, who showed him four bodies that had been deposited inside a food service entrance of the building. "[Mikel] Brooks and several other guardsmen said they had seen between 30 and 40 bodies in the convention center's freezer," Thevenot reported in the Times-Picayune the following day, adding that Brooks told him one of the bodies was a "7-year-old girl with

Lt. Col. John Edwards, the commander of Brooks' unit, told Salon he first heard of the Times-Picayune story about two weeks later. "This was news to us," Edwards said of the alleged dozens of bodies in the freezer, which were never found. Only four bodies were discovered inside after the convention center was evacuated, and only one of them was a suspected homicide, according to the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals.

Plain false

The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina left the American media with its biggest story since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Some reporters, including CNN's Anderson Cooper, earned praise for challenging equivocating public officials and a slow government response that left thousands stranded in desperate conditions. But the media also displayed shortcomings of its own: Two of the most prominent and disturbing types of stories from the New Orleans disaster zone -- violent criminals committing atrocities inside the two main refugee centers downtown, and rogue gunmen firing at rescue helicopters -- turned out to be wildly exaggerated, and in many cases plain false.

Even today, questions remain about various incidents, and why the unconfirmed horror stories were treated as fact and gained such wide currency. It is clear, however, that the media was only the last link -- if the most influential one -- in a chain reaction that led the world to believe gang rape, rampant shootings and infanticide were fast compounding the city's devastation.Many of the overblown reports trace back through poorly informed public officials, to overworked police officers and national guardsmen, to frightened evacuees themselves. The flooded city of New Orleans, experts say, was hit with a perfect storm of conditions in which fear, despair and wild rumors, like a contagious disease, can thrive. Latent racism, some suggest, further distorted the picture of devastation and chaos presented around the world.

Lt. Col. Edwards says he conducted a review around Sept. 16, interviewing every member of the Guard who was on patrol Sept. 5. Brooks and the other guardsmen claimed that they never told anyone they had actually seen bodies in the freezer, but rather that they'd heard other emergency personnel talking about it in a food line set up for police, guardsmen and other rescue workers outside Harrah's New Orleans Casino. Edwards invited Thevenot to talk with the guardsmen again, and on Sept. 26, the Times-Picayune published a follow-up report, co-written by Thevenot. It clarified that the paper's initial report about events at the convention center -- picked up by media worldwide -- had been wrong, as had been other accounts of unchecked mob violence around the city.

Thevenot was one of the few Picayune staffers who had remained in New Orleans from the time Katrina hit, working in what he describes as "stone-age conditions." He and other journalists had been working up to 16-hour days without showers or fresh changes of clothes, and had to dictate a number of their stories to editors in Baton Rouge over phone lines that worked only sporadically.

"We worked, as we now know, amid a swirl of misinformation," Thevenot says. He says he pressed the guardsmen to show him the bodies in the freezer, but that they wouldn't permit him access. "None of us had access to official, authoritative sources on most subjects we reported until days after the storm. Even some of those official sources proved unreliable, as they worked in the same swirl of rumor as we did."

Reporters were reliant on uncorroborated sources

Keith Woods, dean of faculty at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, says one reason that stories from New Orleans turned out to be wrong was that reporters were unusually reliant on uncorroborated information from individual sources, whether government officials, soldiers or evacuees. "For the most part the structures that might undergird accurate reporting were often literally underwater," Woods says.

But in the many cases in which the media repeated accounts of atrocities as fact -- without noting that they were unconfirmed -- more could have been done to accurately inform audiences. Reporters, editors and anchors, says Woods, should have been more forceful about asking, "How do you know that?" -- and at the very least have made sure the public heard the answer to that question.

The tales of mayhem from the Superdome, which had been turned into a massive refugee center, were also erroneous. On Sept. 1, CNN ran a report on its Web site quoting an evacuee there who spoke of "people simply dragging corpses into corners." "They have quite a few people running around here with guns," CNN quoted the unidentified man as saying. "You got these young teenage boys running around up here raping these girls."

By Sept. 6, "The Oprah Winfrey Show" aired interviews with New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and police Chief Eddie Compass, who repeated accounts of utter depredation as fact, from which they would later backpedal. The show also featured correspondent Lisa Ling talking to unidentified evacuees who had fled to nearby Metairie, La.; they told Ling there were shootings inside the Superdome and dead bodies on the ground. "There were boys waiting in the bathroom for the children," one unidentified woman said, "and they'd have -- they raped the children, have sex with them. One of the girls they raped, then they killed her."

None were murder victims

But according to members of the Louisiana National Guard who were present at the Superdome throughout the crisis, none of these atrocities was verified to have taken place. The guardsmen checked evacuees into the Superdome starting Sunday, Aug. 28, and patrolled the facility until the last evacuees were bused out on Sept. 4. Though isolated cases of assault or rape could remain difficult to verify, there was no pervasive lawlessness. According to Maj. Ed Bush, a Guard public affairs officer who was there from start to finish, no gang members were running around with guns, and no shots were ever fired, except for one instance in which a guardsman accidentally shot himself during a scuffle in a darkened locker room. Of the six people that died there, according to Maj. Bush and other reports, none were murder victims.

"Trust me, we would have known," Bush said, regarding the reports of rampant gunfire. The reaction from the crowd, he says, "would have been instantaneous, [triggering] massive panic."
The rumors swirling around the Superdome forced the guardsmen to expend a good deal of energy dispelling the tales of rape and murder, Bush says. He emphasized that the vast majority of evacuees there were "very well behaved." People would rush up to him and ask, "Don't you know there's people being killed in the bathroom? What are you going to do about it?"

"It's hard to believe that in one building you could have such a fear of the unknown," Bush says. "It's almost like the boogeyman was everywhere."

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Spiegel Online

and also

salon.com
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 04:29 pm
I'm glad you posted that. The retractions of all of the so-called depravity that took place seemed to end up on page 25 instead of page 1. To this day, there are people who still believe and repeat those erroneous stories as if they were the facts, like the one about the rescue helicopters being fired upon. Doesn't it sound crazy now? But it was reported by, amongst others, Soledad O'Brian on CNN that the helipcopters were under attack.

People believe such bullshit because they want to.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 02:07 am
eoe wrote:
I'm glad you posted that. The retractions of all of the so-called depravity that took place seemed to end up on page 25 instead of page 1.

Or as in this case, a German weekly and an American web-only magazine. Not the average American's favorite news sources.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 04:50 am
Except that talk radio in the US has been reporting the erroneous reporting for weeks now as has some of the more obscure sources. It is the mainstream media that reported it erroneously--one gets a screwball account, prints it, and they all fall into step behind it rather than do their own research. Sheep they are.

Eoe is right. People believe the bullshit because they want to.

Kudos to Salon though. I knew if they printed enough stuff, they would finally get something mostly right.
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2005 08:57 am
Met a saleswoman yesterday at Dillard's who escaped here from New Orleans. She's going back home in two weeks, determined to stick it out and rebuild. I encouraged her to and gave her a hug for luck. Determination and a will to make it happen, bring their city back to life and NOT just in the Quarter, is what it's going to take. I applaud all who plan to return.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2005 10:41 am
To invite or lure more tourists why not convert the flooded area into a Venice of the Gulf Coast? Dredge out canals and use the dirt to firm up the houses' foundations and add cement or whatever. Have houses propped up in 10 or 12 feet stilts. Now employment for gondaliers and romantic singers would be a cinch with Mardi Gra nearby.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2005 11:42 pm
Another incorrectly reported aspect of the New Orleans disaster has to do with the levees that failed and caused most of the damage. The ownership and responsibility for the maintenance and operation of the levees that failed and the authority to govern use of the lands behind and protected by them rests exclusively with the State of Louisiana and local County governments -- not the Federal Government or the Corps of Engineers.

Another little reported fact is that the enabling legislation, passed by Congress for FEMA states quite clearly that this Federal Agency shall not function as a first responder in such emergencies. Its role and actions are explicitly restricted by law to back up measures to support local government, beginning no sooner than 72 hours after the disaster has occurred.

The contrast in the recovery efforts between Mississippi and Louisiana could not be more starkly different - even though in the affected areas of Mississippi, the destruction and devastation was far worse than what occurred in Louisiana.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 12:06 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Another incorrectly reported aspect of the New Orleans disaster has to do with the levees that failed and caused most of the damage. The ownership and responsibility for the maintenance and operation of the levees that failed and the authority to govern use of the lands behind and protected by them rests exclusively with the State of Louisiana and local County governments -- not the Federal Government or the Corps of Engineers.


I've got some different news:

Three teams of credible experts have initiated investigations into the failure of the levees. One is from the National Science Foundation in conjunction with the American Society of Civil Engineers; another, from the United States Army Corps of Engineers; and the third is from the State of Louisiana, led by scientists at the Louisiana State University hurricane center.
These the scientists have shared data and come to the same surprising preliminary conclusions.

Most of New Orleans was not flooded by water coming directly from the Gulf. It was flooded from the north and rear by Lake Pontchartrain, when levees failed along the 17th Street and London Avenue drainage canals.
Initially, the Corps of Engineers said that the storm was so great that it overtopped these levees also. But after inspecting the levees and reviewing storm data, all three investigating teams agree: Hurricane Katrina hit Lake Pontchartrain with far less strength than it did the Gulf Coast, and the storm surge fell well short of the tops of the levees. In fact, a design or construction flaw caused them to collapse in the face of a force they were designed to hold. In other words, if the levees had performed as they were supposed to, the deaths in New Orleans proper, the scenes in the Superdome and the city's devastation would never have taken place.

Many accusations have been hurled at the Orleans Levee Board, a local body.
But these accusations are irrelevant. The levee board did not design or build these levees. That was entirely the responsibility of the federal government, through the Corps of Engineers.

Source: New York Times; newsletter from a German Dike Reeves association.
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eoe
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 07:55 am
georgeob1 wrote:
The contrast in the recovery efforts between Mississippi and Louisiana could not be more starkly different - even though in the affected areas of Mississippi, the destruction and devastation was far worse than what occurred in Louisiana.


No different. From everything I heard and read, FEMA dragged their feet and added to the suffering in Miss. and Ala. as well. Only thing different was the lack of tv cameras bringing it to light like in New Orleans.
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