Well
I'm not saying either of you aren't....(I think FreeDuck may be).
But, let's put our cards on the table.
I consider both of you liberal--so, would you share your conservative views?
Looky--
Republican In Name Only
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
RINO stands for Republican In Name Only, a disparaging term for a member of the United States Republican Party whose words and actions are thought to be too fiscally or socially moderate or liberal. It has since replaced the older term Rockefeller Republican to describe Republicans that have a more moderate or liberal slant.
Rudy Giuliani and Colin Powell are widely popular with the American people, but are labeled as Republican In Name Only by some conservative members of their own party who see them as too moderate/liberal.The term RINO came into widespread usage around 2000 (but has been cited in newspaper stories as far back as 1992 [1]) and is used by conservative members of the Republican Party who oppose other members of their party who they deem to be too liberal. Those Republicans who are labeled RINOs counter that the conservatives who call them RINOs are extremists and politically naive to believe that conservative Republicans can be elected in moderate and liberal areas of the United States (i.e., Blue States).
The term RINO often comes into public discourse during Republican primaries. Many conservatives want the Republican party to nominate fellow conservatives (even if the moderate/liberal Republican is an incumbent) and to that end will publicly label the moderate/liberal Republican a "RINO".
Some conservative organizations use the term RINO to help describe some of their activities. The National Federation of Republican Assemblies started the "RINO Hunters' Club" and the Club for Growth (which is mostly concerned with conservative economic issues) started the "RINO Watch".
The acronym has led to the analogous DINO, a Democrat In Name Only, referring to those who are too conservative. The term Fox News liberal has also been used in this context. The two acronyms are, at the same time, puns on the popular English-language shortenings of the words rhinoceros and dinosaur.
Both terms are used by more ideological (politically speaking) members of either party to challenge fellow party members for their maverick or moderate positions. In some cases, the platforms of the members in question are not even necessarily close to the opponents?-they just do not necessarily follow the party line in every case. Examples might include Senator John McCain, whose voting record is quite conservative on many issues, or Senator Joe Lieberman, who is in the mainstream of his party on many domestic issues.
List of Republicans who have been labeled as RINOs:
Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City, a former Democrat (NFRA)
Sen. R. Michael DeWine of Ohio, who voted for the Cantwell amendment to prevent oil exploration in the ANWR in Alaska.
Sen. John S. McCain III of Arizona, an opponent of tax cuts and proponent of campaign finance reform (CFG, NFRA)
California politician and former Los Angeles mayor Richard Riordan (RN)
Gov. Arnold A. Schwarzenegger of California, who is pro-choice (NFRA, [2])
Gov. George Pataki of New York (NFRA)
Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who has in the past voiced pro-choice beliefs and sided with Teddy Kennedy against Robert Bork (CFG, CWA, NFRA)
Sen. George V. Voinovich of Ohio, a critic of John R. Bolton's nomination and a moderate (CFG)
Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who despite a very party-loyal voting record in Congress is pro-choice (SVGOP)
Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who is pro-choice and is an ideological centrist (CFG, CWF)
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, also an ideological centrist (CWF)
Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee of Rhode Island, the most liberal Republican in the Senate (CFG, CWF, NFRA)
Former New Jersey governor and EPA head Christine Todd Whitman, a moderate
Former Rep. Amory Houghton of New York (CWF)
Rep. James A. Leach of Iowa (CFG, CWF)
Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an ideological libertarian and former Libertarian Party Presidential candidate (CWF)
Rep. Joe Schwarz of Michigan (CFG)
Rep. Christopher Shays of Connecticut
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who is pro-choice, popular among Democrats, voiced caution over invading Iraq and opposed Reagan delivering the famous Tear down this wall speech in Berlin in 1987.
Former Governor of California Pete Wilson, who is pro-choice
Former Mayor of New York City Rudy Giuliani, who, though very critical of John Kerry at the 2004 Republican National Convention, is pro-choice and has voiced support for gay rights
John Nichols argues [3] that "sing the measures that progressives might reasonably apply to define a liberal... it is possible to point to just one [current Republican] senator, Rhode Island's Lincoln Chafee, and two members of the House, New York's Amo Houghton and Iowa's Jim Leach...
A somewhat larger circle clings to the moderate GOP mantras of a Gerald Ford or a Richard Lugar, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, but they are fading fast as a force in Congress." While Delaware representative Mike Castle claims that there are 40-45 moderate Republicans in the House, Nichols remarks, "That's actually a bit of a stretch ?- either of the numbers or of the definition of a 'moderate'."
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They can't decide on the definition, either.
Wiki does Dems in Name Only--
(Whoever wrote this has nightmares about FoxNews--)
Democrat In Name Only
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
DINO stands for Democrat In Name Only, a disparaging but seldom-used term for a member of the modern-day United States Democratic Party whose words and actions are thought to be too fiscally or socially conservative. The term Fox News liberal has also been used in this context.
The term was created as an analogous opposite to the acronym RINO (Republican In Name Only), which is far more commonly used and refers to more liberal members of the United States Republican Party. The two acronyms are, at the same time, puns on the popular English-language shortenings of the words rhinoceros and dinosaur.
Both terms are used by more ideological (politically speaking) members of either party to challenge fellow party members for their maverick or moderate positions. In some cases, the platforms of the members in question are not even necessarily close to the opponents?-they just do not necessarily follow the party line in every case. Examples might include Senator John McCain, whose voting record is conservative on many issues, or Senator Joe Lieberman, who has a liberal record on many domestic matters. In any case, RINOs and DINOs harken back to a time when both parties had liberal and conservatives wings. Many of the RINOs are a remnant of the moderate Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party, which was especially powerful in Northeastern United States. Many (but not all) of the DINOs are conservatives from the former Confederate states which were predominantly Democratic states until 50 years ago. Unlike those who switched parties, these DINOs are content to remain Democrats.
Democrats who have been accused of being DINOs include:
Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, a hawkish supporter of much of the Bush administration's foreign policy (TomPaine.com, July 17, 2002, See also numerous obscure sources listed on Google)
Former Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, keynote speaker at the 2004 Republican National Convention (called an "in name only" by Terry McAuliffe), who had a 94% voting record with the Republican leadership from 2003 to 2004 and now is a Fox News contributor.
Sen. Max Baucus of Montana (The American Prospect, Dec 30, 2002)
Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, a supporter of the Federal Marriage Amendment and opponent of abortion rights.
Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who voted for the three most conservative Bush appellate court nominees (Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen and William Pryor).
Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado, who voted for and introduced Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and sat by his side during Gonzales' confirmation hearings.
Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who voted thrice in favor of John Bolton and also voted for three most conservative Bush appellate court nominees (Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen and William Pryor).
Former Rep. Brad Carson of Oklahoma, who often touted his 'A' rating from the National Rifle Association, support for many of President Bush's tax cuts and support for the Federal Marriage Amendment.
Rep. Melissa Bean of Illinois, who voted for CAFTA, the Bankruptcy Bill and the Class Action Fairness Act.
Rep. Gene Taylor of Mississippi who voted for all four articles of impeachement against Bill Clinton, and for the Federal Marriage Amendment.
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Fox News Liberals
The similar term Fox News liberal is used among Democrats and liberals in the U.S. to refer to those commentators and politicians who hold themselves out as liberals and/or Democrats, yet do one or more of the following:
They often agree with their conservative and/or Republican opposite numbers on TV talk shows or in legislative bodies on various issues and positions.
They show no hesitation to distance themselves from and criticize their fellow Democrats and liberals, especially to predominantly conservative audiences;
They present weak arguments in favor of liberal/Democratic positions, and refuse to debate or easily succumb to conservative/Republican arguments.
They base arguments on dubious claims made by conservatives and Republicans, thereby suggesting that those are valid liberal/Democratic positions.
The term is similar to Democrat In Name Only (DINO). It is based on the belief, held by many on the left, that the Fox News Channel has a conservative/Republican bias, and that many of the Fox News commentators who claim to be liberal are straw men hired to ineffectively present liberal viewpoints.
The term was first applied in 2004 to Alan Colmes, the liberal co-host to conservative Sean Hannity on the Fox News show Hannity & Colmes. Liberal viewers have long found Colmes' quiet, deferential style infuriating, particularly in contrast to the outspoken Hannity; and Colmes himself has sometimes taken more right-leaning positions, such as supporting Rudolph Guiliani for mayor of New York City and defending Mississippi Senator Trent Lott after the latter made racially suspect remarks at the 100th birthday party for the late Sen. Strom Thurmond. It hasn't helped Colmes with his liberal critics either that he has also defended Fox's "fair and balanced" slogan as accurate, or that he has been praised by prominent conservatives such as Newt Gingrich and was once chosen as the favorite liberal by posters on a Free Republic forum. Liberal commentator Al Franken lambasted Colmes in his popular book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, accusing him of refusing to ask tough questions during debates and neglecting to challenge alleged erroneous claims made by Hannity or his guests (Franken even jokingly suggested that Colmes is a whipping boy who's forced to do odd jobs around the Fox News studios).
Susan Estrich, Dick Morris, Ed Koch, and Pat Caddell are also noted as examples of Fox commentators noted primarily for their links to past Democratic campaigns, have also been called Fox news liberals for exhibiting similar tendencies and appearing to care more that the conservatives like them and that they continue to appear on television than defending liberalism and the Democratic Party. In Miller's case the label is almost certainly a misnomer since Miller for his entire career as a public official always presented himself a moderate or conservative Democrat.
The 2004 documentary Outfoxed claimed to show that the Fox producers purposely choose unthreatening liberal commentators, both in the interviews with former producers for the network who spoke anonymously and an interview with a former commentator who recalled how he was let go by Fox early in what was supposed to be a long-term arrangement after challenging the case for the 2003 invasion of Iraq too forcefully.
If there's only one slot left then I call dibs!
Are you a RINO or a DINO?
Lash, you first. Share your liberal views and I'll share my conservative views.
You can't all be in my ilk unless you share your lib and dem views!!!
But you already said I was a liberal so you already know my liberal views.
Ok, we can go one for one. I believe in a mostly free market. Your turn.
I believe gay people should have the same rights I do, including marriage.
But, free market. Doesn't that just mean you aren't a Socialist...?
Gimmee something that MEANS something.
Oooh, this is progress.
Lash, when you say "stinky liberal" it makes me feel...
Just kidding. I believe in small government.
How does "small govt translate to you? I don't see you cutting social programs--or levee building--
Would you flesh that one out a bit?
RE: free market, to me means minimal regulation and no price controls. I say mostly because in places where there are moral conflicts I see exceptions. Like, you can't just let people rape the earth and pollute the air for profit because that affects all of us and we don't all get to share profits.
Lash wrote:How does "small govt translate to you? I don't see you cutting social programs--or levee building--
Would you flesh that one out a bit?
Well, I'm not in government so I don't have the ability to cut social programs or levee building. I believe the government should do a few things and do those things well.
It's your turn.
'K.
I support Bush's immigration policy. Work visas--and liberally open borders to LEGAL immigrants.
Hmmm, is there an official left or right position on immigration?
I'm trying to think of a liberal position that I disagree with and am having trouble thinking up a liberal position. Help me out here.
Ah. FD stares into the abyss...?
Ah, I got one, I believe in the sanctity of gun ownership.
FD-- Why are you trying to pretend you don't know there's a left and right on immigration? And, now asking me to "think up liberal positions...?"
GONG!
NEXT!
