Looters of N.O.

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The media weren't the first on the scene THURSDAY!

We all knew about the people at the convention center Tuesday. Why didn't the head of Homeland Security for the nation know about it before THURSDAY?

This was part of an interview on NPR yesterday. They asked Chertoff about what was being done for the people at the convention center.

Chertoff said he didn't know anything about that, but that they were doing blah, blah, blah for the people at the superdome.

NPR then spoke to their reporter at the convention center who again confirmed there were thousands of people there along with some that had died.

Chertoff's office called NPR later and said that they are now aware and will be sending aid as soon as possible.

Again, we all knew about the people at the convention center for over 48 hours before Chertoff did. That's not saying much for coordination, communication and relief efforts by those that are suppose to be in charge of handling large scale disasters.

People can say, well this is the largest in history of US, and how can they be prepared for such devestation. I say, they bloody well should have been after all that money and training for events supposedly bigger than this after 9/11.

What if it had been a terrorist attack and they stayed on vacation for a couple days after the event and then still didn't have it together by the fifth day?

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Squinney wrote

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The media weren't the first on the scene THURSDAY!

If the media wasn't on the scene how did you and the rest of us learn about what was happening?

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Nimh Wrote:

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I only saw this eerie picture, Monday, of a group of about 100 prisoners in prison gear gathered together on the part of a destroyed viaduct that was still stuck above water: they'd been herded there by their guards when the prison flooded. How they want to transport those out, God knows.

This is a serious problem. According to the Gov. of Louisiana the prisons there are already filled to capacity. And they can't send the prisoners to Texas or Alabama or Mississippi, because those prisons are close to capacity as well. And they don't have secure busses to transport them in, or boats.

The whole situation is f*cked. They should say, 'if you are in prison for a drug offense, guess what, you're free to go' and I guarantee there would be plenty of room for those who REALLY need to be locked up.

Cycloptichorn

ps. Taking food and water is one thing, taking 8 boxes of Nikes is another. I don't have a moral problem with people looting, really, as long as they don't have a moral problem for being shot in the head for doing so. This is a long-standing human tradition, looting; they takes their chances.

Cycloptichorn

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au - the emphasis was on Thursday. We knew about it days before the head of Homeland Security, and IMO, that should have been reversed.

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au1929 wrote:

If the media wasn't on the scene how did you and the rest of us learn about what was happening?

Sorry for the question but are media the only way to learn things?

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Makes you think about how incredibly good a job the people of NYC did on 9-11, doesn't it?

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mysteryman wrote:

The same people defending the looters are the same ones that raised hell about the fact that the US military did NOT stop the looters in Baghdad.

Name one.

<running back to edit earlier posts...>

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kickycan
We are good aren't we? However, the conditions are hardly similar.

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True...

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kickycan wrote:

Makes you think about how incredibly good a job the people of NYC did on 9-11, doesn't it?

This is undeniably true.

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Class will tell. :wink:

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mysteryman wrote:

The same people defending the looters are the same ones that raised hell about the fact that the US military did NOT stop the looters in Baghdad.

Last I heard we hadn't declared war on N.O....errr...maybe we should. They'd get rebuilding assistance a lot faster :wink:

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dyslexia wrote:

nimh wrote:
but whereto? they aint got nothing, probably no money either...

I kinda doubht if that is a new situation in their lives.

report from another forum I post at, of a family who has lost homes and businesses - this is very much a new situation for many people

http://forums.taunton.com/tp-cookstalk/messages?msg=24015.1

The poster is a caterer/cooking instructor/personal chef .

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We just made it to Baton ROuge an hour ago. We were just informed that the Mandeville area will have restored electricity and water by Monday or at least early this week. SO my family members will have a place to stay until they are allowed back into New Orleans...however long that takes.

My Stepmother's house is ruined and so is Princess's house...under water...everything lost. She is on her way back to New Jersey until she can move back here. Could take a year.

ALthough I am safe and so is my house. I KNOW that I am out of a job. No convention halls...so no conventions...so NO tourists coming to New Orleans to take great cooking classes. The school has to be totally under water. The streets flood by 2ft. when it has a hard thunderstorn....much less broken levees. NO JOB, NO Savings....NO MONEY but we have our lives. SO many thousands are without work and homes....maybe never to return to our beloved city. I don't think it has totally hit me yet....Have no idea what we are going to do.

Many loved ones have lost everything....Most of us are just walking around in a daze. What next?? What should we do?? Where should we go??? How will we survive???

The stealing and fighting is swelling everywhere. We stopped at a gas station to use the bathroom and get something to eat. This was 45 minutes outside of Baton Rouge. My daughter ran into the store where there was a Subway to get a sandwich and promptly came back out and told all of us to get back in the van and get out!!

As she entered the store, a busload of the Super DOme refugees were there buying food and many were stealing food from the store and putting it down their pants and she was afraid they would take her purse. Only 4 people working in the store.

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mysteryman wrote:

The law in Louisiana allows for looting food and other things needed for survival.
BUT,looting jewelry,electronics,guns,shoes and anything else is theft!!

Personally,I think that the looters should be shot,tagged as a looter,and left.
If they dont respect others property rights or the law,then they must be eliminated as a drain on society,no matter what race or sex they are.

Oh those poor corporations. How could those savages loot wallmart.The poor should be shoot for stealing from wallmart and tagged "poor homeless disaster victim killed for stealing digital camera".How will wallmart ever recover? How could you talk about Food, clothes and saftey at a time like this? There stealing from Home depot for gods sake!Shoot the poor save the money!

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as mrs h remimded me several times over the last few days : " better have a fistfull of cash on you at all times ".
on last night's news it showed people who had no cash/credit cards being turfed out of motels where they had taken refuge. i know that motel operators can not be expected to give free lodging, but should they not have been notified by local/state/federal officials that they'll be re-imbursed ? wondering. hbg

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i can understand the inability of the emergency responders all along the gulf coast to render much help. everything was destroyed. no trucks, gear, supplies etc. all the comm stations and relays were kaput. i wonder how many guardsmen were even in the area if everyone was ordered to evacuate. the pd,fd and others that were there were all involved in rescues.

what doesn't really jive is how the total failure to deploy guard or army from outside of the area came down.

we have the best of everything in terms of military equipment. you can hardly throw a rock in the south without hitting a military base or a guard armory. we have huge radio planes and the eye in the sky to act as the communications center in war zones where everything is knocked out.

wouldn't it have made sense to chopper in troops to establish order and provide some leadership to these people ? wouldn't that have to happen first, so that there would be established zones where the food and water could be choppered in and distributed without a riot breaking out ?

couldn't they have then brought in troop transport helocopters to start flying people out to the nearest dry, safe area to be taken out of the area by land ? what about commandeering transportation like busses, 18 wheelers and flatbeds from around the states to do the land transpo, ala dunkirk ?

our country has the resources. we have the trained personnel. what didn't work ?

dunno. but it seems to me that the biggest problem is that nobody was taking the reins and riding herd.

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Amigo wrote:

Oh those poor corporations. How could those savages loot wallmart.The poor should be shoot for stealing from wallmart and tagged "poor homeless disaster victim killed for stealing digital camera".How will wallmart ever recover? How could you talk about Food, clothes and saftey at a time like this? There stealing from Home depot for gods sake!Shoot the poor save the money!

Why does it matter if they are stealing from a large corporation or a small family store? They are stealing. If it is for their own survival (food, water, medicine) fine, but taking advantage of the situation for your own personal gain is just adding to an already horrible, desperate and dangerous situation by contributing to the mob mentality. I'm not saying shoot to kill is the answer, but stealing from a large corporation doesn't make it right.

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Amigo wrote:

Oh those poor corporations. How could those savages loot wallmart....There stealing from Home depot for gods sake!Shoot the poor save the money!

i understand where you're coming from, amigo. and truthfully, part of me thinks it would be just great to accumulate some material possessions that i want but can't afford. or i can afford them, don't feel like spending money on. i know from inside experience what the corporate mindset is, and no, i don't care for it much. there's more to life than the bling.

but, the problem i have with people grabbing an early christmas on the house is philosophical.

if people like you and i are going to claim the moral high ground when we talk about politics and corporate greed, we have to set the example, right ?

so we cannot act out of the lust for "things". or condone or defend the bad actions of those who demonstrate the same reckless, f.u., campaign to accumulate wealth that we rail against the corporates for. it ain't tight.

there's more to life than the bling. that sword cuts in both directions.

that's my take, anyway.

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Over $1 billion in employees' pension funds were taken away when Enron went bankrupt.Ken Lay walked away with over $ 100 million. Is Ken Lay a looter? can we shoot him and give those Americans there retirement back? Yes, stealing is bad. So why has $9 trillion been lost in market value been stolen legally on wallsteet.Thats not on the news.But were going to comndem a poor homeless guy we see on the news for stealing a DVD player.

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