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Looters of N.O.

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 05:49 pm
I don't know where to, nimh. But I would have been hard put to go to the first dome, much less a second. The first I guess I would have had to, in certain circumstances. The second would be hard to face if one could get off the bus (if one didn't have one's children, or sick elderly, or be ill..) and even ill, perhaps one would have a better chance of being seen at another place. I'm aware they're trying hard in Houston. I'm putting myself in the people in the Superdome's experience, as best I can.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 05:49 pm
Mystermay
mysteryman wrote:
The law in Louisiana allows for looting food and other things needed for survival.
BUT,looting jewelry,electronics,guns,shoes and anything else is theft!!

Personally,I think that the looters should be shot,tagged as a looter,and left.
If they dont respect others property rights or the law,then they must be eliminated as a drain on society,no matter what race or sex they are.


Er....Mysterman, don't you remember that vigilantism is illegal?

BBB
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 05:52 pm
Quote:
Er....Mysterman, don't you remember that vigilantism is illegal?


I think he means that police/whoever would be given permission....
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 05:53 pm
I'm wondering whether there are parallels between the looting in New Orleans after the hurricane and the looting in Baghdad after the government of Iraq fell.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 05:54 pm
Noddy
Noddy24 wrote:
I'm wondering whether there are parallels between the looting in New Orleans after the hurricane and the looting in Baghdad after the government of Iraq fell.


Smart Noddy, you noticed that.

BBB
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 06:02 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
I'm wondering whether there are parallels between the looting in New Orleans after the hurricane and the looting in Baghdad after the government of Iraq fell.


If there are,then those on here saying the looters should be left alone are being extremely hypocritical.

The same people defending the looters are the same ones that raised hell about the fact that the US military did NOT stop the looters in Baghdad.

Now,should they or shouldnt they stop the looters in New Orleans?

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Er....Mysterman, don't you remember that vigilantism is illegal?


Not if the duly appointed law enforcement in NO use the "posse comitatus" rule.

Here is the actual law...
http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm

And here is the relevant part...
"In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines from participating in arrests, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."

So,the governor CAN use the NG to act as police and to enforce the law.

Also,EVERY citizen has the right to defend their property.
So,shooting the looters is the best idea,and would be perfectly legal.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 06:07 pm
Every citizen has the right to a trial before being shot dead.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 06:08 pm
Seems like an awful waste of tax payer money and citizen indignation . . . can't ya just shoot and have a pro forma trial after? You could do a whole slew of 'em in a day . . .
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 06:09 pm
How many cases of beer equals one human life?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2005 06:10 pm
well Set, efficiency has certain rewards, I do grant you that.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 03:39 am
dyslexia wrote:
nimh wrote:
but whereto? they aint got nothing, probably no money either...

I kinda doubht if that is a new situation in their lives.

well, they used to have a roof over their head, a bed to sleep in.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 03:40 am
mysteryman wrote:
If there are,then those on here saying the looters should be left alone are being extremely hypocritical.

The same people defending the looters are the same ones that raised hell about the fact that the US military did NOT stop the looters in Baghdad.

And vice versa...
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 05:24 am
Just heard on NPR that more security is arriving today and they have shoot to kill orders.

Crying or Very sad

Just hope they use that order wisely, and don't let their reactions be led by their nerves.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 05:39 am
squinney wrote:
Just heard on NPR that more security is arriving today and they have shoot to kill orders.

Crying or Very sad

Just hope they use that order wisely, and don't let their reactions be led by their nerves.


I can think of at least one A2K member that will joyfully volunteer for that duty Laughing
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 07:10 am
Looting isn't the worst of it. There is widespread anarchy, rapes, car jacking and roving gangs in NO. The law of the jungle has taken hold. Martial law should be imposed and the niceties of court and jail put aside.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 07:17 am
source

Quote:
Bush urged Americans to curb gasoline consumption to ease the impact of refineries crippled by the storm. He also warned Gulf Coast residents, including those searching for water and food, not to break into businesses or commit other crimes during the crisis.

"There ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this," Bush said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"If people need water and food, we're going to do everything we can to get them water and food," Bush added. "It's very important for the citizens in all affected areas to take personal responsibility and assume a kind of a civic sense of responsibility so that the situation doesn't get out of hand, so people don't exploit the vulnerable."


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One of the most squalid and desperate situations unfolded at the city's fetid Ernest M. Morial Convention Center, where thousands had assembled over the preceding two days but which, as of Thursday evening, still had no visible government presence. A half-dozen buses arrived at one point to take a small number of refugees, but none had come since, according to the stranded residents and tourists.

The center itself, dark and without power, was rank with sewage and trash, and was avoided by most of the crowd, who milled around outside. As many as seven corpses lay out in the open around wailing babies and other refugees, according to witnesses and news reports, including one dead man covered in a blue tarp in the middle of a street.

Desperate refugees at one point broke into the center's food-service area to retrieve water and other goods, and the crowds have been roiled by fights and at least one gunshot, according to interviews. Some food rations finally arrived Thursday, dropped by helicopter.

With no buses in sight earlier Thursday, Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a nearby bridge to dry ground in search of aid. The mayor also issued a plea for help on CNN: "Right now, we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses. We need buses. Currently, the convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we're running out of supplies."


I guess Bush wants those who have been stranded without food or aid to die in civic duty.

Why did it take so long for help to come for these people in New Orleans in this nation? I don't expect miracles but it seems like they respond faster to violence and oil than for people needing help.

Does anyone know what has happened to those in prison cells or bed ridden in hospitals?
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 07:50 am
What is your opinion. Do you believe the federal governments resonse was timely and adequate or left much to be desired.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 07:56 am
I'm still trying to figure it all out, but it's not looking very good. A disaster of this scale would be chaotic no matter what, but even given a lot of leeway for that, things seem to be much, much worse than they need to be.

Quote:


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Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said FEMA just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.

The mayor lashed out at the government, saying: "I have no idea what they're doing, but I will tell you this: God is looking down on all this and if they're not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds."


"Just learned" about it on Thursday??
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 08:01 am
It would seem that the federal agencies had to learn about the situation from the news media. They were the first upon the scene. How tragic.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2005 08:08 am
revel wrote:
Does anyone know what has happened to those in prison cells or bed ridden in hospitals?

I only saw this eerie picture, Monday, of a group of about 100 prisoners in prison gear gathered together on the part of a destroyed viaduct that was still stuck above water: they'd been herded there by their guards when the prison flooded. How they want to transport those out, God knows.
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