REAPING THE WHIRLWIND

When I come into my power and rule the world Set, you will be on the protected list and the receipient of both kibbles AND bits. Be of good cheer and stout heart.

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Screw that, i want BACON ! ! !

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Bacon and Belly Rubs from the fair Canadian princess for you big dawg!!!! I shall command it.

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There ya go, bear made big Set a happy man and didn't even ave to answer the question.

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Dockers, bacon, kibbles and bits. Is that something like lions, and tigers, and bears, oh my?

Well now, let's see.

If we were a theocracy, we would be more rigid, authoritarian, judgmental, categorizing, divisive, etc., then we already are.

Wait a minute...that can't be, can it?

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Diane wrote:

There ya go, bear made big Set a happy man and didn't even ave to answer the question.

I'm smarter than the average bear Boo-Boo. :wink:

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sumac wrote:

Dockers, bacon, kibbles and bits. Is that something like lions, and tigers, and bears, oh my?

Well now, let's see.

If we were a theocracy, we would be more rigid, authoritarian, judgmental, categorizing, divisive, etc., then we already are.

Wait a minute...that can't be, can it?

hahahaha! well the dockers are pretty scary, su. especially the ones with the secret spy pockets for your cell and palm pilot.

i guess the situation could get a lot worse. i got curious one noght and did some reading about the prohibition act. it was sorta the culmination of a nearly 70 year campaign by generations by the no fun allowed bunch.

it took a couple of years, but eventually the country's religious fervor settled down and folks got back to the business of enjoying themselves without somebody trying to guilt trip them about everything.

i think ( hope !!!!) the same thing is already starting to happen now. the fundis got too excited and have overplayed their hand.

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If you read that extensively on prohibition, than surely you know that Carrie Nation and the other members of the Women's Christian Temperance Union were motivated to stop the wide-spread and horrific abuse of women and children by drunken men. It was less a case of spoiling the fun of drunkards than it was of protecting their families.

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Re: REAPING THE WHIRLWIND

Setanta wrote:

... What do you think would be the result were the United States to be governed by fundamentalist Protestant principles.

It would be no fun and tourism would suffer :wink:

Except for the fundie tourists. They'd be on the buses to Jesusworld I suppose.

Might make for an interesting form of rollercoaster ride though, from an ersatz Heaven to an ersatz Hell and back to Earth again.

Personally I think the US Constitution has it right. Keep religion separate from politics. Since both have their own way of reasoning it seems to me that you have to have one or the other in place.

Since anyone has the right to practise or not practise a religion but not the right to disavow politics as an influence over their lives, then it must be that politics trumps religion.

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Interesting perspective, Boss.

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It would be a lot worse than worse!

Have you LOOKED at what thesde people believe?

http://www.raptureready.com/

http://www.raptureletters.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/fund_sci.htm

http://www.alternet.org/story/18259/

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/fund.html

http://www.therapturemusic.co.uk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Christianity

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html

http://www.cofc.edu/~seay/fundamentalism.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/features/2000/kiefer1.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/davis01082005.html

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer-christian/

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/87/story_8767_1.html

http://mb-soft.com/believe/text/fundamen.htm

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/109/53.0.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/acad-a30_prn.shtml

http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/essays/fundie1.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/Gods_Warrior_Twins.html

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=18905

http://www.wacc.org.uk/wacc/our_work/thinktank/christian_fundamentalism

These are just the first few Google entries for christian fundamentalism.

I assume the christian fundamentalists themselves do not like the term - since these happen to be mostly anti-sites - but, have a look.

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Here's a wonderful "rapture" story for ya:

Religion in the News wrote:

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Unfortunately, none of it is true, as is confirmed by Snopes. Elroy Willis, who runs Religion in the News, says of his own website: "Some of these stories are really true. See if you can figure out which ones they are." Hilariously, this story has great "legs," and continues to be retailed. Which says a great deal about how other Americans view their fundy neighbors.

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The US would in many ways resemble Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia with a bit of Iran in the mix.

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Lash wrote:

I'm not fighting anybody.

No?

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I can show you several posts where your ilk (been long overdue to use ilk) talk like they are fighting the rest of the country.

Yes, long overdue to use the word ilk. I was wondering how long it would take you to break and down stop bothering to try to differentiate between people and just go ahead and say "ilk". Good job. Fighting is easier when everyone has a side.

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Ask DTOM what he meant by his post a few up.

I know what DTOM meant, I didn't know, and still don't now, what you mean.

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Yeah, I like that too. Politics trumps religion. All Hail Caesar.

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Setanta wrote:

If you read that extensively on prohibition, than surely you know that Carrie Nation and the other members of the Women's Christian Temperance Union were motivated to stop the wide-spread and horrific abuse of women and children by drunken men. It was less a case of spoiling the fun of drunkards than it was of protecting their families.

i didn't make a weekend of it, no. but according to what i read, the beginnings of what became the temperance movement, started in the mid 1800s. didn't seem to be specifically about violence, just against the use of alcohol. it's not logical to think that all men that indulged in alcohol were wife beaters. but that image certainly would work if your goal was to ban the use of alcohol.

i wonder if the situation then became abuse of women and children by sober men?

and also, couldn't it be that as we were progressing intellectually, behavior that was previously acceptable was becoming unacceptable? women and children were viewed as property by a lot of people. it was also during this period when we got to the realization that it was wrong to use women & children in sweatshops, gave up indentured apprenticeships and such, right ?

you have more knowledge on the subject than i do. i'll be happy to do more research if you want to continue on. but for now, i come away feeling like prohibition was founded on religious disapproval of alcohol more than anything else.

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When I was 9 or 10, my granny came for a visit. She opened the door to the refrigerator and saw some Tom Collins Mix. She immediately poured it down the drain because, although it didn't contain alcohol, it was 'associated' with alcohol.

Did someone mention that the fundy government would become rigid?

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This is the statement of the Women's Christian Temperance Union:

The WCTU wrote:

The Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) was organized in 1874 by women who were concerned about the problems alcohol was causing their families and society. The members chose total abstinence from all alcohol as their life style and protection of the home as their watchword.

H. L. Mencken defined Puritanism as the haunting fear that someone, somewhere was having fun. It is not reasonable, however, to ascribe Puritan motives to the movement which gave rise not only to Prohibition, but to the women's suffrage movement as well. As they state, above, it was a response to the problems which alcohol caused their families and society.

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Interestingly, this is a path being promoted by a number of Aboriginal women in remote communities, much affected by alcohol - to try to curb the extreme abuse of women and children by men in Aboriginal communities (and the women can be bloody violent, too.)

A number of these communities have decided to become "dry" - and a number have effected the closing of bottle shops in nearby towns on the day when people get their money - so that all the money is harder to spend on booze - leaving families to starve.

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I have read, although i don't recall the specifics, of women in India taking the law into their own hands to punish abusive, druken husbands in their communities. If so, then i say: "Good on 'em."

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