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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 03:56 pm
I dont change my oil at 3000 miles . No way no how..
I know it is not necessary.. But most people DO just that and so I was bringing up that expense as well.

chai.. you have my exact car.

I change the oil.. ehh... about every 10,000 miles.. ?
If I do a lot of highway driving, I may change it more..
I am going to , for example,change it 3 or 4 days before we go to NM.
But not when we get back.
I can -feel- the difference in my cars performance when it is time to change the oil. It gets.. sluggish.. Not BAD.. but I notice it. So I change it. Voila.

Same for transmission fluid.
I have changed it three times in its 85,000 mile life span.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 04:09 pm
Your car's performance would not be noticeably affected, when it was time to change the oil.

You would not notice it being sluggish, unless the oil had broken down severely so as to lose a significant amount of its viscosity and lubricity. This is extremely unlikely indeed, unless you never change your oil.

It's all in you imagination!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 04:20 pm
so then why do I feel a performance difference in my car ?
Confused
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 04:33 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
so then why do I feel a performance difference in my car ?
Confused
PMS?
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 04:33 pm
Dont make me come over there Confused
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 06:10 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
so then why do I feel a performance difference in my car ?
Confused
You don't feel a performance difference, you have made it up.

Many people spend a small fortune on all sorts of so-called "performance accessories" for their vehicles.

So-called "high-flow air filters", "cold air intakes", "performance exhaust systems", the list is endless. Many people are deluded into believing these items have real world advantages. The after market suppliers are more than happy to feed the flames of fantasy.

For $22.50 you can find out the true condition of your oil:
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/

But....... why would you do that?

You'd then spoil the fantasy that your oil has degraded so badly, that it can no longer provide the basic lubricity and viscosity required for your engine to supply its performance rating.

shewolfnm you must save your engine from its certain fate with the devil oil Laughing

Understand the context specific argument here is not that your oil should or should not be changed at the given interval you are choosing, but that that your oil has not degraded so badly, that it can no longer provide the basic lubricity and viscosity required for your engine to supply its performance rating.
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 06:14 pm
dyslexia wrote:
shewolfnm wrote:
so then why do I feel a performance difference in my car ?
Confused
PMS?


<guffaw>
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 06:19 pm
This is closer to the real truth; and believe me, I love my engines, I've got enough of them that's for sure!
Quote:
Frequent oil changes pose pollution problem

01:00 AM EDT on Saturday, March 15, 2008
By Ralph Vartabedian
Los Angeles Times

"Has it been 3,000 miles yet?" asks a banner hanging outside a southern California quick oil change outlet.

The message ?- also conveyed on stickers placed by many quick oil change shops inside customer windshields ?- is to hurry back for another oil change.

But the state of California has a different message: Unnecessary oil changes are wasting money for consumers and creating millions of gallons of hazardous waste in the form of used oil.

Instead of listening to the advice of the car service industry, state officials are asking motorists to follow the recommendations of vehicle manufacturers printed in the owners manuals, which often specify oil changes at 7,000 miles or more. The officials say this would save 21.6 million gallons of oil waste a year.

Although environmental issues have played a role in consumer car-buying behavior, the concern seems to dissipate when it comes to car maintenance ?- despite a fairly large toxic stream that results from the operation of the vast majority of motor vehicles.

It's not that consumers are pollution happy. But they are guided by conventional wisdom, handed down from generation to generation, that frequent oil changes can vastly improve the life of their car's engine and reduce costly repairs.

I can't say there is no truth to the conventional wisdom, because certain makes and models are afflicted by oil sludge problems that are helped by frequent oil changes. But the longevity of motor oil has improved remarkably over the decades.

A key turning point came in the 1970s with the phasing out of leaded gasoline, which significantly added to the contamination of engine oil. Since then, engine technology has vastly improved to keep oil cleaner through improved tolerances and crankcase ventilation. And, most important, oil has improved with new types of additives that keep the oil working longer.

Vehicle manufacturers have recognized that their engines don't need oil changes as frequently, but the service industry and consumers have stuck with past practices.

"We are not trying to come across as experts in cars or trying to get in the way of commerce, but if you had a service, wouldn't you want customers to come back every 3,000 miles instead of every 7,500 miles," said Bert Wenzel, who helps run the program for the California Integrated Waste Management Board, a part of the state's Environmental Protection Agency.

A yearlong survey of motorists, concluded in January 2006, found that 73 percent of California drivers change their oil more frequently than recommended by their vehicle manufacturer. I wonder whether these folks have their teeth cleaned more frequently than recommended by their dentist.

The survey, conducted by California State University, San Marcos, found that about a quarter of drivers used the stickers on their windshield to decide when to get an oil change. Those stickers are widely used by the quick oil change industry, including Jiffy Lube.

Jiffy Lube spokeswoman Virginia Sanchez said the 3,000-mile oil change is justified when vehicles are driven under severe conditions, such as short trips, stop-and-go driving or extreme temperatures.

"A 3,000 severe-service interval holds true for the majority of the cars on the road in the U.S. today," Sanchez said.

That is, in my view, a self-serving overstatement of what severe duty means. All driving, by definition, involves stopping and going. But encountering an occasional traffic jam is different from operating a taxi in Manhattan.

Richard Sullivan also takes issue with that statement. Sullivan, a former General Motors service manager and deputy for field operations and enforcement at the California Bureau of Automotive Repair, a state agency that regulates the car service industry, said the only person who can be a fair judge of whether a vehicle is subject to severe service is an informed consumer.

As an example of severe service, he cited a vehicle used in Lake Tahoe. For an engine, it is far different to make a short trip up a steep mountain grade in freezing weather than a short trip on a flat road in 50-degree Los Angeles winter weather.

EZ Lube, another Southern California chain, uses store banners asking whether it has been 3,000 miles since your last oil change. This company paid a $5-million settlement in December after it was charged with systematically charging Southern California customers for unnecessary repairs on their vehicles ?- often brought in for oil changes.

California uses about 152 million gallons of automotive lubricants ?- crankcase oil, gearbox oil and transmission fluid ?- each year.

About 50 million gallons of that oil is either burned in engines or dripped onto the highway, the board estimates. An additional 14 million gallons disappears, presumably dumped into the ground or storm drains by backyard mechanics, Wenzel said.

That leaves about 88 million of the original 152 million gallons of hazardous waste to be disposed. Every gallon of toxic waste is a big deal and fewer oil changes could help, Wenzel said.


http://www.projo.com/projocars/content/ca_oilchanges_03-15-08_F296TAF_v7.1d6c6f3.html
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 06:58 pm
mismi wrote:
$3.54 a gallon here in Alabama


You're still lucky - $ 4.05 here in California - Monday through Thursday,
Friday/Saturday/Sunday it can vary from $ 4.25 to $ 4.35 Crying or Very sad
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:01 pm
Concerning the oil change: doesn't it say in the car manual how often
one should change it?

I only notice it when the oil light is blinking, but I service the
car whenever the service light is blinking. That should do it!
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mismi
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:02 pm
You are right C.J.- that is an outrageous price, still makes me sick though.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:10 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Concerning the oil change: doesn't it say in the car manual how often
one should change it?

I only notice it when the oil light is blinking, but I service the
car whenever the service light is blinking. That should do it!
To answer your first question: One of the benefits of oil analysis is that you can usually get more use out of your oil and go longer in between oil changes. But because all engines wear differently, the only way to tell for sure whether you can do so is to analyze the oil.

As to you noticing the oil light is blinking, if by oil light you mean oil pressure light then in general that light should never come on once the engine is running.

As to you noticing the service light is blinking, if by service light you mean the oil change light, then see my text above about the benefits of oil analysis.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:17 pm
just here to complicate things, my porsche has no oil sump but it does have an oil cooler and attendant oil hoses. it is designed to burn 1 quart of oil per 1,000 miles so topping off the oil is regular event, the porsche holds 12+ quarts and there are 3 gauges on the dash to keep track of oil temp/pressure and levels which are all critical to the proper operation of the motor.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:30 pm
A dry sump is better than a dry hump I guess!

Also, the new Mazda RX8 uses some oil in its natural state to keep the apex seals happy.

But oil consumption (if it's within design parameters) does not in and of itself imply the need for more frequent oil changes.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:40 pm
Chumly wrote:
To answer your first question: One of the benefits of oil analysis is that you can usually get more use out of your oil and go longer in between oil changes. But because all engines wear differently, the only way to tell for sure whether you can do so is to analyze the oil.

As to you noticing the oil light is blinking, if by oil light you mean oil pressure light then in general that light should never come on once the engine is running.

As to you noticing the service light is blinking, if by service light you mean the oil change light, then see my text above about the benefits of oil analysis.


No not really. If my oil is low, an oil can sign comes on and flashes,
if I need to go for service, I have a sign blinking that read" Your service
is due now", or "your next service in ........miles" I was told not to
do anything, unless the lights are blinking. Very Happy
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:51 pm
I'm not sure what you are saying "no" to...........nor what vehicle you are referring to.

But...... very-very few passenger street vehicles have an oil level light, it's almost always oil pressure .

You may be a bit confused/misled.

Also your "service is due now" , "your next service in ...." light is nothing more than a glorified trip odometer, sorry to say. It is in fact meaningless or worse, as it senses nothing about the engine or the oil.

Again, your oil pressure light (oil can icon) or otherwise should not come on once the engine is running.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 07:58 pm
Yes, it's the oil pressure icon that comes on when the oil pressure is low,
even when the engine is running, but it only happened once, so I'm fine.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:09 pm
If there was any harm done by running low oil pressure, it's too late to do anything about it now. Whoever you have as a mechanic is completely full of BS however, if they told you they are sure no harm was done.

Plain bearings however, do not require a pressure feed to function.

Oil pressure per se, as typically measured, is not an indication of a plain bearing's happiness.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:27 pm
I had an Impala rental that told me to change the oil filter. I didn't, but assume it was comparing inlet to outlet pressure.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:35 pm
No, almost for sure, it also would have been a glorified trip odometer, as discussed.

All oil filters have a bypass valve built into them so that if they reach a preset level of decreased filtration efficacy, said internal bypass valve opens to allow the oil to continue to circulate.

This is considered the lesser of two evils, the worse evil of course being restricted oil flow and all the perils of such a condition.

You give the auto companies far too much credit by assuming things like comparative oil pressure algorithms etc; the major purpose of these engine service reminder idiot lights, is to get you back in the shop by counting down the miles!

The truth of the matter is, in many cases, the amount and quality of the engine data now found on a modern passenger car's dash is weaker than it was thirty years ago, OBDII notwithstanding!
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