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what makes a woman?

 
 
iknow
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:42 pm
spendius wrote:
Being easily insulted is a sign of an insecure position.Every psychologist knows that as well as most of their students.


insulting easily is a sign of immaturity and worse. everyonne knows that.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:43 pm
spendius wrote:
Dragon 49-

It's a bit passe now.Nobody is interested in any facts.I wasn't arguing anything.I just pointed a few things out.

If a woman wants respect she should stay virginal until marriage and faithful afterwards.All this other stuff is just guilt because women know that deep down that is what they should do.When they can't do it,for whatever reason,they then castigate men for not respecting them.

I ought to have mentioned property and inheritance law but I thought that might complicate things too much.

Sex is either a big deal or it isn't.With possibility of conception it's a big deal.Without that possibility it's nothing.Nobody gives a damn how people rub their bodies together and that's all there is to it if a child cannot be made.(Apart from disease of course).

I don't see that as argument.


and i wasn't trying to be rude, more just understand where you coming from.

so your assessment is that because i did not stay virginal until i was married, i am somehow less honorable?

well, here's where we disagree...to get back to my original statement on this thread...i think what makes me a woman is that i strive to be honest, loving, compassionate, well educated, strong in my beliefs, law abiding (except for my propensity to speed on the highway), faithful to my husband, supportive of my family and true friends, understanding even when some don't agree with me, and forgiving when i can be.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:44 pm
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.
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iknow
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:45 pm
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:45 pm
iknow wrote:
spendius wrote:
Being easily insulted is a sign of an insecure position.Every psychologist knows that as well as most of their students.


insulting easily is a sign of immaturity and worse. everyonne knows that.


i was simply poiting out that iknow was saying insults had no place on this thread. and that he insulted women in general, which by logical thought, i am a woman, and was thus insulted.

and iknow, you were also extremely upset by what you called insults from Set, so then you would logically be insecure, immature, and worse...
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:46 pm
spendius wrote:


If a woman wants respect she should stay virginal until marriage and faithful afterwards.All this other stuff is just guilt because women know that deep down that is what they should do.When they can't do it,for whatever reason,they then castigate men for not respecting them.

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Men should keep their "units" in their pants too, but you don't see anyone calling them whores. Nope. They get the term stud.

And for the record, my husband respects me and I wasn't a virgin.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:47 pm
spendius wrote:
If a woman wants respect she should stay virginal until marriage and faithful afterwards.All this other stuff is just guilt because women know that deep down that is what they should do.When they can't do it,for whatever reason,they then castigate men for not respecting them.


so is the same not true for men? should they not be virginal as well? i realize this thread is about women, but what i am contending is that what is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:48 pm
iknow wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?



You don't provide "support" so why should anyone else?
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:48 pm
iknow wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?


where is there support for anything you have said today, iknow? and i wouldn't question set, he has far more experience in that of history than you could fathom.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:49 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
spendius wrote:


If a woman wants respect she should stay virginal until marriage and faithful afterwards.All this other stuff is just guilt because women know that deep down that is what they should do.When they can't do it,for whatever reason,they then castigate men for not respecting them.

.


Men should keep their "units" in their pants too, but you don't see anyone calling them whores. Nope. They get the term stud.

And for the record, my husband respects me and I wasn't a virgin.


as does my husband...he respects you bella, oh and me too...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:50 pm
Good point. He doesn't understand the explanations when they are given to him anyway.

This was his opening post:

iwouldntknowsupportifitbitmyass wrote:
what makes a woman honorable? imo i think not being a slut is one big thing. also being coordinated and not out of control in general.


That anyone would need to explain to him the insulting character of that post is prima facia evidence of his inability to comprehend the essential human equality of all people, without regard to gender.
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iknow
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:51 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
iknow wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?



You don't provide "support" so why should anyone else?


everyone should provide support. and i do.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:52 pm
iknow wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
iknow wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?



You don't provide "support" so why should anyone else?


everyone should provide support. and i do.


can you please provide support showing you show support?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:52 pm
No you don't, this thread and the other thread are lousy with your unsupported statements from authority--an authority no one here has any good reason to believe you possess, and a great deal of reason to believe you don't.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:52 pm
dragon49 wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
spendius wrote:


If a woman wants respect she should stay virginal until marriage and faithful afterwards.All this other stuff is just guilt because women know that deep down that is what they should do.When they can't do it,for whatever reason,they then castigate men for not respecting them.

.


Men should keep their "units" in their pants too, but you don't see anyone calling them whores. Nope. They get the term stud.

And for the record, my husband respects me and I wasn't a virgin.


as does my husband...he respects you bella, oh and me too...



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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:55 pm
Quote:
so your assessment is that because i did not stay virginal until i was married, i am somehow less honorable?
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I wasn't giving my assessment.I was informing you of a widespread attitude in men and I have mixed with a lot of them in many different places.That is what they think for certain.

Setanta-I know that what you say about promiscuity is true.The Christian project is about controlling it.The fact that it doesn't do a very good job is not an argument for throwing in the towel.Are you referring to "controlled" promiscuity or the real thing?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:57 pm
iknow wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
iknow wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?



You don't provide "support" so why should anyone else?


everyone should provide support. and i do.


Ok, you want to play that game we can. Here's my support...now lets hear your personal experience as a woman.

I've had more than one sexual partner and sex outside of marriage with all but one of them and I am in no way a slut.

I've never had a disease.
I've never gotten pregnant.
I don't feel bad about myself.
I've never had a man not respect me because we had sex.
I've never felt ashamed of my sexuality.
I've never felt slighted by an experience with someone that wasn't deep and emotional.


Is that enough support for you to prove that not all women who enjoy sex are somehow faulted and less than 100% honorable? Can you prove to me otherwise?

When you grow a uterus and ovaries you come talk to me about how women feel about sex.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:57 pm
I'm talking about the real, godi'mhornybabyruttinginthemud thing. I haven't the least interest in any Christian project, and sincerely hope that someday the christians grow up enough to keep their collective nose out of the business of others.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 12:59 pm
spendius wrote:
I wasn't giving my assessment.I was informing you of a widespread attitude in men and I have mixed with a lot of them in many different places.That is what they think for certain.


funny both bella's and my husband didn't have an issue with us not being virgins. and i could probably say shewolf's didn't care either. however, i respect the fact that you weren't "assessing me" simply commenting on what you have heard.

actually, i don't think i personally know a single man today who would preclude any woman from their potential dating scene because she wasn't a virgin. i am curious where you have mixed with these men.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2005 01:01 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
iknow wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
iknow wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your immature and uniformed opinions of the sexual habits of women is insulting when you try to use them to contend that women who do not behave as you think they ought are sluts. What is even more ludicrous is that you then turn around and insult men by suggesting that they can only think with their peckers, and its OK for them to be promiscuous, poor souls, because they are incapable of anything else.

And by the way, that contention of Spendius that the possibility of conception is a crucial determining factor is not born out in the historical record provided by period literature. Promiscuity has been a fact of human life for as long as people have been writing about human life.


support?



You don't provide "support" so why should anyone else?


everyone should provide support. and i do.


Ok, you want to play that game we can. Here's my support...now lets hear your personal experience as a woman.

I've had more than one sexual partner and sex outside of marriage with all but one of them and I am in no way a slut.

I've never had a disease.
I've never gotten pregnant.
I don't feel bad about myself.
I've never had a man not respect me because we had sex.
I've never felt ashamed of my sexuality.
I've never felt slighted by an experience with someone that wasn't deep and emotional.


Is that enough support for you to prove that not all women who enjoy sex are somehow faulted and less than 100% honorable? Can you prove to me otherwise?

When you grow a uterus and ovaries you come talk to me about how women feel about sex.


amen sister, amen!
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