iknow wrote:Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:flushd wrote:I agree Bella.
The term 'slut' is almost always used as an insult. Just a way to jab someone.
I also agree that a person's sexual life is their business. The only exception is if I AM SLEEPING WITH SAID PERSON. But I guess even then, it is my responsibility to find out
true, what someone does is their business. but is a gangster honorable? its his own business?
I think that this says it all. Honor is defending what you believe in at any cost. Just because you don't believe what they believe doesn't mean that they have no honor.
i agree, i think that is honor too. however, you think the "slut" girls treuly believe that sleeping around is good for them?
Who cares? Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Maybe the do it because it feels good. Maybe they do it for attention. But is it any of your business why they do it? And who are you to say it's wrong?
I had some casual sex in college and I had no bad feeling about it. You'd probably have called me a slut but frankly, people like me don't care what people like you think of me.
shewolfnm wrote:how or why is sex bad for you?
most women need a stage of "getting to know" a guy in order to emotioally open up to him. an understanding of him, what not. if they dont' have this period the sex can be more stressful and forced, causing htem to feel bad. thus its bad to sleep around if you cna't handle it.
That's an interesting passage, Bella.
To your q, I would say it is honourable for a man to kill an intruder if that is what he must do to protect the lives of his family members. It would be honourable of a woman also. At least I think so. I would certainly stand up and do whatever I had to do to protect the ones I love.
"If it's your blood or mine; get ready to bleed."
Some people would argue that is plus-honourable to die in those circumstances, and allow the others to die. I can understand that line of thinking as well, though I do not subscribe to that way of living.
Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:flushd wrote:I agree Bella.
The term 'slut' is almost always used as an insult. Just a way to jab someone.
I also agree that a person's sexual life is their business. The only exception is if I AM SLEEPING WITH SAID PERSON. But I guess even then, it is my responsibility to find out
true, what someone does is their business. but is a gangster honorable? its his own business?
I think that this says it all. Honor is defending what you believe in at any cost. Just because you don't believe what they believe doesn't mean that they have no honor.
i agree, i think that is honor too. however, you think the "slut" girls treuly believe that sleeping around is good for them?
Who cares? Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Maybe the do it because it feels good. Maybe they do it for attention. But is it any of your business why they do it? And who are you to say it's wrong?
I had some casual sex in college and I had no bad feeling about it. You'd probably have called me a slut but frankly, people like me don't care what people like you think of me.
i don't care what i think of you either. that isn't th epoint. the point is it isn't good for you. you're teaching yourself that sleeping around without getting to know someone is ok. that not understanding and having deep interaction iwht the other person is good even. that is bad for yourself. its for your own good, especially your own long term good.
iknow wrote:shewolfnm wrote:how or why is sex bad for you?
most women need a stage of "getting to know" a guy in order to emotioally open up to him. an understanding of him, what not. if they dont' have this period the sex can be more stressful and forced, causing htem to feel bad. thus its bad to sleep around if you cna't handle it.
im sorry. But I disagree.
You donthave to have an emotional 'break through " or a tie to someone to enjoy your body.
Sex can be physical as well as emotional.
How ever you want to have it, man OR woman, doesnt make it bad for you
Yes there are people, not just women, how have 'attachment' issues and often seek comfort in sex to deal with that issue. That doesnt lable them a slut. does it?
cause ideally, you watn to get to know the other person before jumping to se, that way you have a better shot at a deeper relationship, deeper conversation / shared feelings and emotions. not shallow.
flushd wrote:
Some people would argue that is plus-honourable to die in those circumstances, and allow the others to die. I can understand that line of thinking as well, though I do not subscribe to that way of living.
Me either.
But people tend to think honor has something to do with the morals of a particular society. In many countries, it is ok to have more than one wife. Here in the US, it is not acceptable. Is the man with 4 wives less honerable than the man with 1? Of course not.
iknow wrote:cause ideally, you watn to get to know the other person before jumping to se, that way you have a better shot at a deeper relationship, deeper conversation / shared feelings and emotions. not shallow.
What if you don't want a deeper relationship? I think that you are being naive and silly.
shewolfnm wrote:iknow wrote:shewolfnm wrote:how or why is sex bad for you?
most women need a stage of "getting to know" a guy in order to emotioally open up to him. an understanding of him, what not. if they dont' have this period the sex can be more stressful and forced, causing htem to feel bad. thus its bad to sleep around if you cna't handle it.
im sorry. But I disagree.
You donthave to have an emotional 'break through " or a tie to someone to enjoy your body.
Sex can be physical as well as emotional.
How ever you want to have it, man OR woman, doesnt make it bad for you
Yes there are people, not just women, how have 'attachment' issues and often seek comfort in sex to deal with that issue. That doesnt lable them a slut. does it?
i never said it was "bad" just that it could be better
iknow wrote:
i don't care what i think of you either. that isn't th epoint. the point is it isn't good for you. you're teaching yourself that sleeping around without getting to know someone is ok. that not understanding and having deep interaction iwht the other person is good even. that is bad for yourself. its for your own good, especially your own long term good.
Again, why isn't it good for you? And who decides what's good for everyone else? Why do you insist that sex has to be a deep emotional connection? Sometimes, even with my husband who I love with all my being, I like to just f*ck. Not make love. Not bond. Not become one with. Just f*ck. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:cause ideally, you watn to get to know the other person before jumping to se, that way you have a better shot at a deeper relationship, deeper conversation / shared feelings and emotions. not shallow.
What if you don't want a deeper relationship? I think that you are being naive and silly.
a deeper relationship is more emotionally stable and less likely to cause pain. it can be much more "Pleasure" than your version. you're the ony being silly
iknow, it sounds like you have a virgin mary/whore idea of women.
Remember that saying, " I want a lady on the street, a whore in the bedroom" ?!
Sorry ahead of time if I get a lil biting here,
but iknow you sound ridiculously naive when it comes to women.
As though you think that women are "the weaker sex, more emotional, unable to handle the stress of -insert whatever you don't want them doing-).
What garbage!!
Meanwhile, perfectly fine girls and women are getting drilled since infancy to be ashamed of themselves and their sexuality.
It's a blibbin' shame this kind of thinking still exists
Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:
i don't care what i think of you either. that isn't th epoint. the point is it isn't good for you. you're teaching yourself that sleeping around without getting to know someone is ok. that not understanding and having deep interaction iwht the other person is good even. that is bad for yourself. its for your own good, especially your own long term good.
Again, why isn't it good for you? And who decides what's good for everyone else? Why do you insist that sex has to be a deep emotional connection? Sometimes, even with my husband who I love with all my being, I like to just f*ck. Not make love. Not bond. Not become one with. Just f*ck. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
then maybe you married a guy that you have a shallow connection relationship with. not that he or you can't have a deep connection with someone else. just maybe that specific relatinoship is shallow, and you could have chosen a different, less slutty, more honorable one. a more enjoyable one.
Well, yes it can be ' better' but what if I just want a physical relationship?
In hunting for that physical relationship I stand my ground in no emotional attachment. Remain honest with said partner about NO emotional attachment, and use protection to save my body from disease and possible pregnancy...
I cover all my bases maturely.. completely, and honestly.
If I understand your point correctly, even behavior such as that deems me ( or said person ) a slut, and isnt a way to get what I want/ need as a woman?
Do you believe that women are incapable of just having sex for the physical enjoyment?
flushd wrote:
Meanwhile, perfectly fine girls and women are getting drilled since infancy to be ashamed of themselves and their sexuality.
It's a blibbin' shame this kind of thinking still exists
Yes! Women are taught to be ashamed of their bodies and their sexuality. A woman with a high sex drive is a nympho while a man with a high sex drive is just a man! We can't even say vagina without it being a dirty word. Women are suppose to be gentle and pure of heart and only want sex with one man who is her husband. Well, guess who God gave the "pleasure only orgasm" to?
I considered the very idea of this thread to be silly when i first saw it. I restate my case that anything which defines a man as honorable applies equally to a woman. The reverse is also true.
I had little notion, however, that the author intended to trot out prudery and a scurrilous condemnation of any woman whom he cannot put up on a stupid and useless Victorian pedestal.
This thread is really disgusting.
iknow wrote:Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:
i don't care what i think of you either. that isn't th epoint. the point is it isn't good for you. you're teaching yourself that sleeping around without getting to know someone is ok. that not understanding and having deep interaction iwht the other person is good even. that is bad for yourself. its for your own good, especially your own long term good.
Again, why isn't it good for you? And who decides what's good for everyone else? Why do you insist that sex has to be a deep emotional connection? Sometimes, even with my husband who I love with all my being, I like to just f*ck. Not make love. Not bond. Not become one with. Just f*ck. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
then maybe you married a guy that you have a shallow connection relationship with. not that he or you can't have a deep connection with someone else. just maybe that specific relatinoship is shallow, and you could have chosen a different, less slutty, more honorable one. a more enjoyable one.
Are you kidding? My husband is the one person who knows me best. Who loves me unconditionally. Who I love unconditionally. I am truly offended that you would take liberties with my relationship and how my husband and I relate, and I do not offend easily. But you've made a statement about the man I love and quite frankly, I won't stand for it. If you want to condemn me for my beliefs and my "loose morals" go ahead. But leave those I love out of it. The deep emotional relationship that you keep blathering about is the one I have with my husband. But you wouldn't know that because you are a blind idiot.
Setanta wrote:I considered the very idea of this thread to be silly when i first saw it. I restate my case that anything which defines a man as honorable applies equally to a woman. The reverse is also true.
I had little notion, however, that the author intended to trot out prudery and a scurrilous condemnation of any woman whom he cannot put up on a stupid and useless Victorian pedestal.
This thread is really disgusting.
who said victorian pedistils were useless? can you support your hypothesis taht tehy are with some type of evidence? i believe its very usefull to not have lots of sex, that it is good for emotional purity, my idea makes a lot of sense. seek the deeper things in life, and you will enjoy it more. what is your hypothesis again? can you state it in a different way other than victorian pedisitl? wahtever that means...
Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:Bella Dea wrote:iknow wrote:
i don't care what i think of you either. that isn't th epoint. the point is it isn't good for you. you're teaching yourself that sleeping around without getting to know someone is ok. that not understanding and having deep interaction iwht the other person is good even. that is bad for yourself. its for your own good, especially your own long term good.
Again, why isn't it good for you? And who decides what's good for everyone else? Why do you insist that sex has to be a deep emotional connection? Sometimes, even with my husband who I love with all my being, I like to just f*ck. Not make love. Not bond. Not become one with. Just f*ck. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
then maybe you married a guy that you have a shallow connection relationship with. not that he or you can't have a deep connection with someone else. just maybe that specific relatinoship is shallow, and you could have chosen a different, less slutty, more honorable one. a more enjoyable one.
Are you kidding? My husband is the one person who knows me best. Who loves me unconditionally. Who I love unconditionally. I am truly offended that you would take liberties with my relationship and how my husband and I relate, and I do not offend easily. But you've made a statement about the man I love and quite frankly, I won't stand for it. If you want to condemn me for my beliefs and my "loose morals" go ahead. But leave those I love out of it.
you're the one who stated much more openly you jsut like "****" him. that leaves plenty of room for commenting. you started the personal discusiono about yourself, i just continued it.
iknow,
i am interested to know if you think sleeping around is bad for men? i realize you have another thread on this but i haven't had time to read it. here's my 2 cents...
some women can handle sleeping around, some can't. to generalize and say anyone woman who sleeps with more than 1 man is emotionally unstable is ridiculous. there are plenty of confident, intelligent, sexually active women out there. maybe they do it because it feels good and they don't have the time or care to give the time to get to know someone (much like some men who sleep around). And to assume that calling a woman a slut is going to make her "change her ways" is also ridiculous. if you are dealing with a confident intelligent woman, she isn't going to give a rat's booty what you say.
on the other hand, there are women who sleep around because they are emotionally unstable, it goes both ways, but to call this woman a slut is going to send her spiralling further down because she can't handle it to begin with. both women exist and to say one is honorable and the other isn't just isn't fair.
there are plenty of people in this world who we meet everyday and don't have deep interaction with. i meet people all the time and engage in small talk. i don't sleep with them (i am married), but what exactly says that to sleep with someone you have to have a deep involved understanding relationship. if no one gets hurt (either emotionally or physically) and they don't do anything illegal, who cares?
sleeping around is bad for some women and not bad for others. just like men, who i believe also in some cases sleep around because they are emotionally unstable. you cannot generalize any population it just doesn't work. we aren't all built the same.
to answer your question about being honorable...i strive to be honest, loving, compassionate, well educated, strong in my beliefs, law abiding (except for my propensity to speed on the highway), faithful to my husband, supportive of my family and true friends, understanding even when some don't agree with me, and forgiving when i can. does this make me honorable, in my eyes-yes. maybe not in other's eyes, but that is ok. its an opinion, and like i have said on many a thread, opinions are just that, they are not right or wrong, they are just opinions. and we can argue all day long about our opinions but we aren't going to get anywhere...
