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What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 12:17 am
OMG. Look who slithered into bed with Crazy Cindy. The Jew Haters. Why so cozy...?

This really would be hilarious if they weren't serious.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 12:31 am
And if that were in any way relevant to what Cindy Sheehan has been saying for the past two weeks, it might actually be worth reading.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 12:44 am
Nobody's got a gun to your head.

But, it is obviously relevent. She's a big Jew hater.

I hate Jew haters.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:26 am
kickycan wrote:
Brandon, do you honestly believe that the only reason Bush decided to invade Iraq is to resolve the WMD issue?

He said so over and over, and he did exactly what I would have done, so, yes, I believe that he shares my views.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:29 am
Chrissee wrote:
We invaded a country, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, turned Iraq into a terrorist haven, threw the country into a state of civil war, lost soon to be 2000 soldiers and tens of thousands with horrible injuries all so we could

"resolve the WMD issue!"

Dude, are you effing kidding me?

The issue we resolved was whether the evil dictator was continuing work on weapons so powerful that one use of one could kill hundreds of thousands of people. Had he been doing so, he could have obliterated a major city in the near future. Seems reasonable to me.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:29 am
Chrissee wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Oh, you and others made the evaluation. Well, in that case.....why would any sane person dare to argue with that? Oh, the probability. Gotta love them odds. What are the odds that a father and son President would both invade the same country?
Where are the WMD???? You don't blow up women and children on probability!!! You don't have a large number of your citizen soldiers die on a probability. I ask you.... What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

You're wrong. If the probability that an evil dictator such as Saddam Hussein is developing a stockpile of doomsday weapons which may one day be used to destroy New York or London is 50%, and years of diplomatic efforts have failed, and if said dictator may be using the time to perfect such weapons, then it would be irresponsible of us not to act. Not acting might very well result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, as well as allowing a madman to use his superweapons to dominate the Middle East.


Dude, you are just completely in denial.

Specifically of what?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:31 am
Chrissee wrote:
Ho ho ho, not that we needed to prevent the mushroom clouds, no, we needed to resolve an issue. Earth to Brandon9000. Resoving issues is why we have diplomats!

Yeah, and we let them work at it for 12 years, but had Iraq been continuing its WMD research in secret, we might have had a finite time window in which to act.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:46 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
What's so noble about that?

Had Hussein simply been hiding WMD and/or development programs, a few years down the road, one of these WMD might have ended hundreds of thousands of lives. Preventing that would be very noble.


Dude, why aren't you in Iraq? You obviously are of military age and you are a man, not that that matters. so why aren't you in Iraq fighting the insurgents?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:46 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
What's so noble about that?

Had Hussein simply been hiding WMD and/or development programs, a few years down the road, one of these WMD might have ended hundreds of thousands of lives. Preventing that would be very noble.


Dude, why aren't you in Iraq? You obviously are of military age and you are a man, not that that matters. so why aren't you in Iraq fighting the insurgents?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:47 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Ho ho ho, not that we needed to prevent the mushroom clouds, no, we needed to resolve an issue. Earth to Brandon9000. Resoving issues is why we have diplomats!

Yeah, and we let them work at it for 12 years, but had Iraq been continuing its WMD research in secret, we might have had a finite time window in which to act.


Dude, you are tripping!
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:50 am
Central Florida Dude, Goofy and Mr. Toad are eagerly waiting for your arrival.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 01:51 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Oh, you and others made the evaluation. Well, in that case.....why would any sane person dare to argue with that? Oh, the probability. Gotta love them odds. What are the odds that a father and son President would both invade the same country?
Where are the WMD???? You don't blow up women and children on probability!!! You don't have a large number of your citizen soldiers die on a probability. I ask you.... What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

You're wrong. If the probability that an evil dictator such as Saddam Hussein is developing a stockpile of doomsday weapons which may one day be used to destroy New York or London is 50%, and years of diplomatic efforts have failed, and if said dictator may be using the time to perfect such weapons, then it would be irresponsible of us not to act. Not acting might very well result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, as well as allowing a madman to use his superweapons to dominate the Middle East.


Dude, you are just completely in denial.

Specifically of what?


of everything
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 02:22 am
Lash wrote:
Nobody's got a gun to your head.

But, it is obviously relevent. She's a big Jew hater.

I hate Jew haters.


What, specifically did she say that makes you think she's a jew hater? She may have said something about the Israeli government that you don't like, but does that make her a jew hater?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:18 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Oh, you and others made the evaluation. Well, in that case.....why would any sane person dare to argue with that? Oh, the probability. Gotta love them odds. What are the odds that a father and son President would both invade the same country?
Where are the WMD???? You don't blow up women and children on probability!!! You don't have a large number of your citizen soldiers die on a probability. I ask you.... What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

You're wrong. If the probability that an evil dictator such as Saddam Hussein is developing a stockpile of doomsday weapons which may one day be used to destroy New York or London is 50%, and years of diplomatic efforts have failed, and if said dictator may be using the time to perfect such weapons, then it would be irresponsible of us not to act. Not acting might very well result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, as well as allowing a madman to use his superweapons to dominate the Middle East.


But alas, my poor deluded, gullible and pathetically brainwashed Brandon.
It did NOT happen. Rolling Eyes
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:28 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
We invaded a country, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, turned Iraq into a terrorist haven, threw the country into a state of civil war, lost soon to be 2000 soldiers and tens of thousands with horrible injuries all so we could

"resolve the WMD issue!"

Dude, are you effing kidding me?

The issue we resolved was whether the evil dictator was continuing work on weapons so powerful that one use of one could kill hundreds of thousands of people. Had he been doing so, he could have obliterated a major city in the near future. Seems reasonable to me.


What issue has been resolved? NOTHING has been resolved.
If, if, if, if, if, if, if.......................
You seem incapable of reason, given the weak arguments that you are providing. Do you have some facts rather than conjecture?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 03:42 am
Why did we go to war in Iraq???

The answer is so simple that I'm not surprised that those on the left dont want to see it.

Under the terms of the first gulf war cease fire,Hussein was required to allow the inspectors free and unfettered access to Iraq,and he was required to destroy ALL of his WMD and PROVE IT.
He was also required to provide a complete and full accounting of ALL of his wmd's.

He did neither.
So,by violating the terms of the cease fire,he made it null and void.
This war is actually a continuation of the first gulf war.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 04:04 am
PDiddie wrote:
Yes, if Casey Sheehan had somehow died defending my (or your) 1st Amendment rights, then that would have been dying for a noble cause.

But that's not at all what he died for. Not even close.

Focus.


Does that mean that the soldiers that died in Europe and the Pacific during WW2 did not die for a noble cause?
After all,neither Germany or Japan had the capability to actually invade the US,so our 1st amendment rights were never threatened then either?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 06:02 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Brandon, do you honestly believe that the only reason Bush decided to invade Iraq is to resolve the WMD issue?

He said so over and over, and he did exactly what I would have done, so, yes, I believe that he shares my views.


This was posted on another thread.......

Former aide: Powell WMD speech 'lowest point in my life'
8/19/05

(CNN) -- A former top aide to Colin Powell says his involvement in the former secretary of state's presentation to the United Nations on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was "the lowest point" in his life.

"I wish I had not been involved in it," says Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a longtime Powell adviser who served as his chief of staff from 2002 through 2005. "I look back on it, and I still say it was the lowest point in my life."

Wilkerson is one of several insiders interviewed for the CNN Presents documentary "Dead Wrong -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown." The program, which airs Sunday at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET, pieces together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public. A presidential commission that investigated the pre-war WMD intelligence found much of it to be "dead wrong."

Powell's speech, delivered on February 14, 2003, made the case for the war by presenting U.S. intelligence that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Wilkerson says the information in Powell's presentation initially came from a document he described as "sort of a Chinese menu" that was provided by the White House.

"(Powell) came through the door ... and he had in his hands a sheaf of papers, and he said, 'This is what I've got to present at the United Nations according to the White House, and you need to look at it,'" Wilkerson says in the program. "It was anything but an intelligence document. It was, as some people characterized it later, sort of a Chinese menu from which you could pick and choose."

Wilkerson and Powell spent four days and nights in a CIA conference room with then-Director George Tenet and other top officials trying to ensure the accuracy of the presentation, Wilkerson says.

"There was no way the Secretary of State was going to read off a script about serious matters of intelligence that could lead to war when the script was basically un-sourced," Wilkerson says.

In one dramatic accusation in his speech, Powell showed slides alleging that Saddam had bioweapons labs mounted on trucks that would be almost impossible to find.

"In fact, Secretary Powell was not told that one of the sources he was given as a source of this information had indeed been flagged by the Defense Intelligence Agency as a liar, a fabricator," says David Kay, who served as the CIA's chief weapons inspector in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. That source, an Iraqi defector had never been debriefed by the CIA, was known within the intelligence community as "Curveball."

After searching Iraq for several months across the summer of 2003, Kay began e-mailing Tenet to tell him the WMD evidence was falling apart. At one point, Wilkerson says, Tenet called Powell to tell him the claims about mobile bioweapons labs were apparently not true.

"George actually did call the Secretary, and said, 'I'm really sorry to have to tell you. We don't believe there were any mobile labs for making biological weapons,'" Wilkerson says in the documentary. "This was the third or fourth telephone call. And I think it's fair to say the Secretary and Mr. Tenet, at that point, ceased being close. I mean, you can be sincere and you can be honest and you can believe what you're telling the Secretary. But three or four times on substantive issues like that? It's difficult to maintain any warm feelings."

source
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 08:51 am
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After all,neither Germany or Japan had the capability to actually invade the US,so our 1st amendment rights were never threatened then either?


Whoa! Germany declared war on us and had u-boats off our coast and I guess you FORGOT the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. First amendment rights? WTF are you talking about.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 09:02 am
Kicky--

Cutting the theatre for a minute--I do believe that anyone who tries to blame the war, 911 or a laundry list of other stuff on Jews or Israel is a Jew hater--and I'm shocked and very worried at how many are crawling out of the woodwork. She is one of them.
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