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What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

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Wilso
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 12:34 am
No_shit_Sherlock wrote:
Had the UN done it's job in the first place, then there would have been no need to build a case for war with Iraq.
Still, if freeing a repressed society and showing them what freedom tastes like, and reaching an end state that ultimately pumps Iraqi oil into my truck, makes for a noble cause worth fighting for.
Even for a third go-around...



And if G. Bush Snr had done the job properly back in the early 90's, killing another several thousand Iraqi's wouldn't have been necessary.
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Ticomaya
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 08:05 am
Wilso wrote:
No_shit_Sherlock wrote:
Had the UN done it's job in the first place, then there would have been no need to build a case for war with Iraq.
Still, if freeing a repressed society and showing them what freedom tastes like, and reaching an end state that ultimately pumps Iraqi oil into my truck, makes for a noble cause worth fighting for.
Even for a third go-around...



And if G. Bush Snr had done the job properly back in the early 90's, killing another several thousand Iraqi's wouldn't have been necessary.


"Done the job properly"? Does that mean you think the US should have invaded Iraq to Baghdad and removed Saddam back in 1991? And if so, please explain how that would have been better, in your view. You would have supported military action against Iraq then, but not now?
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Lash
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 03:01 pm
checkmate
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Baldimo
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 03:05 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Wilso wrote:
No_shit_Sherlock wrote:
Had the UN done it's job in the first place, then there would have been no need to build a case for war with Iraq.
Still, if freeing a repressed society and showing them what freedom tastes like, and reaching an end state that ultimately pumps Iraqi oil into my truck, makes for a noble cause worth fighting for.
Even for a third go-around...



And if G. Bush Snr had done the job properly back in the early 90's, killing another several thousand Iraqi's wouldn't have been necessary.


"Done the job properly"? Does that mean you think the US should have invaded Iraq to Baghdad and removed Saddam back in 1991? And if so, please explain how that would have been better, in your view. You would have supported military action against Iraq then, but not now?


They would have been against that as well. It would have gone against what their ever so honorable UN said to do. It would have been the same story as then as now just a decade earlier.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 04:02 pm
goodfielder wrote:
What happened Finn? This is a marketplace of ideas. Did you get smacked in the back of the head by an invisible hand?


somebody call the paramedics. Finn's been struck by a thought......
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Chrissee
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 11:41 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
What happened Finn? This is a marketplace of ideas. Did you get smacked in the back of the head by an invisible hand?


somebody call the paramedics. Finn's been struck by a thought......


Finn wants an intellectual argument LOL
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Chrissee
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2005 11:44 pm
If you cannot explain the reason for a war in a single, fairly simple sentence, you can't justify waging it.

So far, all we have gotten are convoluted excuses.
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Lash
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 12:17 am
You stick your head in the dirt when you get answers, but you should be aware; we've seen them.
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revel
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 08:51 am
It would have been just as hard and maybe just as hopeless to have invaded Iraq the last time which is why the first George Bush didn't do it.

But at least if we did it then we would have had current reasons to do it.

What we had in 2003 was a lot of what ifs and maybes down the road. Reasons for war should be a lot more substantial than that.

There was no urgent threat that out did other urgent threats in the world which would have justified our invasion of Iraq. We had inspections going on and the report even before the war was that they could find no signs of WMD. We should have continued the inspections and worked out peaceable solutions to any other problems with Iraq the same as we do the rest of the world's problem today like North Korea as one big example.
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mysteryman
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:20 am
Chrissee wrote:
If you cannot explain the reason for a war in a single, fairly simple sentence, you can't justify waging it.

So far, all we have gotten are convoluted excuses.


OK,lets put this to the test...

Can you explain the reasons for WW2 in a single,fairly simple sentence?
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Setanta
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:22 am
The Japanese Empire attacked the United States, after which Germany and Italy declared war on the United States.


Your turn . . .
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Amigo
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:22 am
mysteryman wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
If you cannot explain the reason for a war in a single, fairly simple sentence, you can't justify waging it.

So far, all we have gotten are convoluted excuses.


OK,lets put this to the test...

Can you explain the reasons for WW2 in a single,fairly simple sentence?
I gotta see this.
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mysteryman
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:26 am
Setanta wrote:
The Japanese Empire attacked the United States, after which Germany and Italy declared war on the United States.


Your turn . . .


But WHY did the Japanese attack us?
WHY did the Germans and Italians declare war on us?

Chrissee said to explain the REASONS.
So,what REASONS led up to WW2?

And,since WW2 included almost every country on the planet (even Mexico sent troops),then IN A SINGLE,FAIRLY SIMPLE SENTENCE,what were the reasons for WW2?
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Setanta
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:27 am
Got shot down, and now you're backpeddlin' furiously. You can try all you want to divert the thread, but you're talkin' sh*t and everyone here knows it.
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mysteryman
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:46 am
Setanta wrote:
Got shot down, and now you're backpeddlin' furiously. You can try all you want to divert the thread, but you're talkin' sh*t and everyone here knows it.


Nope,you didnt shoot me down at all.
Are you beingt so arrogant as to say that WW2 was mainly a US war?

So,what were the reasons for WW2?
In a single,fairly simple sentence.
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Lash
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:48 am
MM makes a very good point.
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Ticomaya
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 03:07 pm
Well, using Setanta's response as a model for a single, fairly simple sentence of "reasons," I suppose we could say this for the reasons for the invasion of Iraq:

The Coalition of the Willing invaded Iraq because it failed to fully cooperate with the UN inspections or account for its WMD.
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Setanta
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 03:11 pm
Which is as feeble a causus belli as one could imagine, and unacceptable by all standards of international law.
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Ticomaya
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 03:20 pm
Setanta wrote:
Which is as feeble a causus belli as one could imagine, and unacceptable by all standards of international law.


You mean casus belli.

Yes, we know you don't approve. But thanks for reminding us. Perhaps someone had forgotten.
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Setanta
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2005 03:21 pm
Thanks for the spelling correction . . . i often make that error. I feel one cannot too often point out the criminal nature of the current administration's hubristic policies, and i appreciate that you have taken notice of that.
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