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What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

 
 
PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:10 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
The repeated statement that I am wrong, in denial, etc. without an argument is of no significance.


Sorry, but it is.

Brandon9000 wrote:
Your disagreement amounts to the argument that if Hussein had still had or been working on WMD, one would nonetheless not have been used sometime in the next few years, or that being used, it would likely not have resulted in massive casualties. Why do you think this?


No, my pointing out your fallacious supposition is not a disagreement, and you cannot using any reasonable logic construct what you believe might be an "argument" you can then attribute to me in order to pose questions about.

Once more (last time):

What noble cause, as stated by GWB, did Casy Sheehan die for?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:15 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
The repeated statement that I am wrong, in denial, etc. without an argument is of no significance.


Sorry, but it is.

Brandon9000 wrote:
Your disagreement amounts to the argument that if Hussein had still had or been working on WMD, one would nonetheless not have been used sometime in the next few years, or that being used, it would likely not have resulted in massive casualties. Why do you think this?


No, my pointing out your fallacious supposition is not a disagreement, and you cannot using any reasonable logic construct what you believe might be an "argument" you can then attribute to me in order to pose questions about.

Once more (last time):

What noble cause, as stated by GWB, did Casy Sheehan die for?

The problem is that you have "pointed out" my fallacious supposition without stating clearly what it is and what, exactly, is fallacious about it. I have answered your present question clearly. Had Hussein merely been hiding his WMD better, one could have been used in a populated area in the next few years with a resultant massive loss of life. Insuring that this not happen is very noble.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:23 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

How noble would that be, Brandon?

I assume that if you were able to counter my logic, you would have.


If we had found some, we would have.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:23 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
The problem is that you have "pointed out" my fallacious supposition without stating clearly what it is and what, exactly, is fallacious about it.


Brandon, you're just pretending to be dense now.

Brandon9000 wrote:
Had Hussein merely been hiding his WMD better


What WMD? (Dense.)

Brandon9000 wrote:
one could have been used in a populated area in the next few years with a resultant massive loss of life.


Supposition based on fallacy. See how easy this is?

Brandon9000 wrote:
Insuring that this not happen is very noble.


No. It's not. Completely the opposite.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 08:30 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
The problem is that you have "pointed out" my fallacious supposition without stating clearly what it is and what, exactly, is fallacious about it.


Brandon, you're just pretending to be dense now.

Brandon9000 wrote:
Had Hussein merely been hiding his WMD better


What WMD? (Dense.)

Brandon9000 wrote:
one could have been used in a populated area in the next few years with a resultant massive loss of life.


Supposition based on fallacy. See how easy this is?

Brandon9000 wrote:
Insuring that this not happen is very noble.


No. It's not. Completely the opposite.

Just based on the fact that Hussein had had WMD and development programs, and had lied to and misled inspectors for years rather than disarm, there was a reasonable chance that he was still doing so, particularly since it wouldn't have been hard to destroy the weapons in such a way as to have proof. If you assert that the probability, at the time of invasion, that Hussein still had WMD was insignificantly small, on what basis do you do so?
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:06 pm
Laughing

(I need popcorn. Be right back)
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:10 pm
Laughing
(I need a Scotch. Might not be back)
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:12 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

How noble would that be, Brandon?

I assume that if you were able to counter my logic, you would have.


If we had found some, we would have.

If my logic were completely wrong, still you could have summarized how. A post like this one is equivalent to saying, "I can't compete with your logic, so I'll just mock it." Someone who refuses to answer his opponent's argument, with whatever rationalization, simply loses the debate. When you have a counter-argument look me up.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:18 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

How noble would that be, Brandon?

I assume that if you were able to counter my logic, you would have.


If we had found some, we would have.

If my logic were completely wrong, still you could have summarized how. A post like this one is equivalent to saying, "I can't compete with your logic, so I'll just mock it." Someone who refuses to answer his opponent's argument, with whatever rationalization, simply loses the debate. When you have a counter-argument look me up.


You are right, I can't compete with your logic on this. It makes no sense. You go back to WMD as if it was the reason to invade Iraq. You have said it so many times that you actually believe it. Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation? The only thing worse than have GW as your president would be if you were in a lofty place in government instead of a lofty place in your own mind.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:25 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

How noble would that be, Brandon?

I assume that if you were able to counter my logic, you would have.


If we had found some, we would have.

If my logic were completely wrong, still you could have summarized how. A post like this one is equivalent to saying, "I can't compete with your logic, so I'll just mock it." Someone who refuses to answer his opponent's argument, with whatever rationalization, simply loses the debate. When you have a counter-argument look me up.


You are right, I can't compete with your logic on this. It makes no sense. You go back to WMD as if it was the reason to invade Iraq. You have said it so many times that you actually believe it. Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation? The only thing worse than have GW as your president would be if you were in a lofty place in government instead of a lofty place in your own mind.

This is the only statement you've made which is significant to the topic:

Intrepid wrote:
Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation?

Yes, it can be. If:

1. A country's dictator is an evil monster like Hussein
2. He was working on doomsday weapons so powerful that there are scenarios where one use of one kills a half a million people.
3. Now you just can't tell whether he stopped or has merely hidden them.
4. You have tried to get him to stop for years, but he is uncooperative.

invading to finally resolve it is the best thing, if you might be stopping an unimaginable doomsday tragedy a few years down the road.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:27 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

How noble would that be, Brandon?

I assume that if you were able to counter my logic, you would have.


If we had found some, we would have.

If my logic were completely wrong, still you could have summarized how. A post like this one is equivalent to saying, "I can't compete with your logic, so I'll just mock it." Someone who refuses to answer his opponent's argument, with whatever rationalization, simply loses the debate. When you have a counter-argument look me up.


You are right, I can't compete with your logic on this. It makes no sense. You go back to WMD as if it was the reason to invade Iraq. You have said it so many times that you actually believe it. Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation? The only thing worse than have GW as your president would be if you were in a lofty place in government instead of a lofty place in your own mind.

This is the only statement you've made which is significant to the topic:

Intrepid wrote:
Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation?

Yes, it can be. If:

1. A country's dictator is an evil monster like Hussein
2. He was working on doomsday weapons so powerful that there are scenarios where one use of one kills a half a million people.
3. Now you just can't tell whether he stopped or has merely hidden them.
4. You have tried to get him to stop for years, but he is uncooperative.

invading to finally resolve it is the best thing, if you might be stopping an unimaginable doomsday tragedy a few years down the road.


At least 3 of the 4 apply to George Bush. Hmmmm
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:30 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

How noble would that be, Brandon?

I assume that if you were able to counter my logic, you would have.


If we had found some, we would have.

If my logic were completely wrong, still you could have summarized how. A post like this one is equivalent to saying, "I can't compete with your logic, so I'll just mock it." Someone who refuses to answer his opponent's argument, with whatever rationalization, simply loses the debate. When you have a counter-argument look me up.


You are right, I can't compete with your logic on this. It makes no sense. You go back to WMD as if it was the reason to invade Iraq. You have said it so many times that you actually believe it. Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation? The only thing worse than have GW as your president would be if you were in a lofty place in government instead of a lofty place in your own mind.

This is the only statement you've made which is significant to the topic:

Intrepid wrote:
Do you really think that it is ok to invade a country based on speculation?

Yes, it can be. If:

1. A country's dictator is an evil monster like Hussein
2. He was working on doomsday weapons so powerful that there are scenarios where one use of one kills a half a million people.
3. Now you just can't tell whether he stopped or has merely hidden them.
4. You have tried to get him to stop for years, but he is uncooperative.

invading to finally resolve it is the best thing, if you might be stopping an unimaginable doomsday tragedy a few years down the road.


At least 3 of the 4 apply to George Bush. Hmmmm

If you're unable to stick to the subject and debate it in a linear manner, just give up gracefully.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:35 pm
Oh, I forgot. I am supposed to agree with you. Rolling Eyes
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:37 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Oh, I forgot. I am supposed to agree with you. Rolling Eyes

No, you're supposed to take what I say and specifically point out why it's wrong, or else stop pretending that you have an argument.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 09:40 pm
I need another scotch Rolling Eyes
Cool
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:09 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Oh, I forgot. I am supposed to agree with you. Rolling Eyes

No, you're supposed to take what I say and specifically point out why it's wrong, or else stop pretending that you have an argument.


Because you are making a supposition, just as George Bush did that there were WMD, and they were going to be used. He was proved wrong! What is noble about that?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:14 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Oh, I forgot. I am supposed to agree with you. Rolling Eyes

No, you're supposed to take what I say and specifically point out why it's wrong, or else stop pretending that you have an argument.


Because you are making a supposition, just as George Bush did that there were WMD, and they were going to be used. He was proved wrong! What is noble about that?

Not at all. Just prior to the invasion of Iraq, I and others made an evaluation that given the history of the situation, the probability that he was still concealing WMD was not insignificant. Had that been the case, had he still been hiding them as before, then there would have been a very good chance that they would one day be used. How was Bush proven wrong? If I say that the probability that on my next toss of a fair coin I will get heads is 1/2, and then I get tails, how does that show that I was wrong?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:17 pm
Specious, specious, specious . . . there is nothing noble about being sacrificed for a supposition of putative future danger, espcially in light of known present danger in other nations.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:20 pm
Setanta wrote:
Specious, specious, specious . . . there is nothing noble about being sacrificed for a supposition of putative future danger, espcially in light of known present danger in other nations.

We must intervene in a putative future danger, if it consists of someone like Hussein arming with nukes and bioweapons. Someone like him just can't be allowed to have weapons of that power.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:20 pm
Oh, you and others made the evaluation. Well, in that case.....why would any sane person dare to argue with that? Oh, the probability. Gotta love them odds. What are the odds that a father and son President would both invade the same country?
Where are the WMD???? You don't blow up women and children on probability!!! You don't have a large number of your citizen soldiers die on a probability. I ask you.... What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?
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