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What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 08:16 am
Chrissee wrote:
Ha ha ha ha, LOL, look at posts 239 and 240 I trumped "lash" again before I even read her post.


You "trumped" her? You mean you finally got around to properly sourcing your quote.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 08:17 am
Chrissee wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
There is something unseemly about those of us on the sidelines arguing whether or not this young man's death was, in some way, noble.


Well, then don't do it because that is not the issue. The issue is not whether Casey died nobly. Or even if he died for his own private noble cause. The question is what is the noble cause that Bush claims our soldiers are dying for.


Then why didn't you properly frame your question in your initial thread? The question you did bother to ask has been answered at length.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 08:18 am
goodfielder wrote:
Bush lied. That's all there is to it. The whole thing is predicated on a series of lies. Sick feeling isn't it?


I understand you feel that way, GF. But you have no proof to substantiate your claim (and neither does Setanta), and therefore all you have are your feelings. Wild claims to the contrary have thus far all been debunked.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 08:33 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
Bush lied. That's all there is to it. The whole thing is predicated on a series of lies. Sick feeling isn't it?


I understand you feel that way, GF. But you have no proof to substantiate your claim (and neither does Setanta), and therefore all you have are your feelings. Wild claims to the contrary have thus far all been debunked.


Tico I was just using up my hyperbole ration Very Happy
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 10:22 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
I understand you feel that way, GF. But you have no proof to substantiate your claim (and neither does Setanta), and therefore all you have are your feelings. Wild claims to the contrary have thus far all been debunked.


On August 26, 2002, at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention, Cheney stated: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." -- as that was not true, and this has subsequently been shown not to be true, such an unequivocal statement on his part constitutes a lie. He may have believed as much, but he did not know, and he spoke as though he did--therefore, he knowingly, willfully lied. The Shrub made remarks of the same character, asserting a knowledge he did not possess in his pre-war radio addresses. Get over it, Tico, your boys are politicians, they lie for a living.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 10:52 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
There is something unseemly about those of us on the sidelines arguing whether or not this young man's death was, in some way, noble.


Well, then don't do it because that is not the issue. The issue is not whether Casey died nobly. Or even if he died for his own private noble cause. The question is what is the noble cause that Bush claims our soldiers are dying for.


Then why didn't you properly frame your question in your initial thread? The question you did bother to ask has been answered at length.


Casey is a metaphor that represents the soldiers. Sorry, you don't understand a more poetic phrasing.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 11:13 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
There is something unseemly about those of us on the sidelines arguing whether or not this young man's death was, in some way, noble.


Well, then don't do it because that is not the issue. The issue is not whether Casey died nobly. Or even if he died for his own private noble cause. The question is what is the noble cause that Bush claims our soldiers are dying for.


Then why didn't you properly frame your question in your initial thread? The question you did bother to ask has been answered at length.


Casey is a metaphor that represents the soldiers. Sorry, you don't understand a more poetic phrasing.


You ever been in the military?

Those fighting over in the desert know what is going on. Most of them are not there for the mission per say but to watch the backs of their battle buddies. That is one of the reasons I'm going. I could have asked to go in the second rotation in 07' but all my battle buddies are going on the first rotation.

Casey understood that and that is the reason he chose to go on a rescue mission. He could have stayed on base and let others go but he chose to go so that he could help out and save his buddies. He gave his life to rescue his buddies. That is more honorable then you could possible imagine.
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No shit Sherlock
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:17 am
What a tangled web of tangents
Since I had the simple answer posts ago, why did this thread unravel to the usual addumptions and blame games?
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No shit Sherlock
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:20 am
to hell with spellcheck as well
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ralpheb
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:35 am
What noble reasons do any soldiers over here have for dying or being wounded? The noble reasson was very well put by Baldimo. To watch the backs of their battle buddies. If the military wasn't without risks everybody would be in it. I realy do enjoy the people who sit on the sidelines and criticize. Either put up or shut up!
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 04:44 am
ralpheb wrote:
What noble reasons do any soldiers over here have for dying or being wounded? The noble reasson was very well put by Baldimo. To watch the backs of their battle buddies. If the military wasn't without risks everybody would be in it. I realy do enjoy the people who sit on the sidelines and criticize. Either put up or shut up!


What does that mean? Does it mean I can't have a say because I'm not in the military? Good thing I can ignore it then.

Everyone knows that soldiers fight for each other, no big secret, the research has been available for years. Politicians who send them to fight though like to dress it up in patriotism. I made this point before, about the Old Lie.
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No shit Sherlock
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 05:34 am
Ooh-fuggin-rah!
Well said, ralph...
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No shit Sherlock
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 05:43 am
If "everyone" knows, then why is anyone asking "what noble cause did SPC Sheehan die for?"
I am sure that one doesn't necessarily have to be in the military to know the obvious answer.
Politicians dress it up according to agenda, and it should be one's patriotic duty to serve their country, regardless of political leanings.
They are elected to do their jobs, as we have elected ourselves to do ours.
That simple.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 06:32 am
No_shit_Sherlock wrote:
If "everyone" knows, then why is anyone asking "what noble cause did SPC Sheehan die for?"
I am sure that one doesn't necessarily have to be in the military to know the obvious answer.
Politicians dress it up according to agenda, and it should be one's patriotic duty to serve their country, regardless of political leanings.
They are elected to do their jobs, as we have elected ourselves to do ours.
That simple.


You took my remark out of context. I said "Everyone knows that soldiers fight for each other, no big secret, the research has been available for years."

You probably too the question of the thread too literally. That must be the reason.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 06:36 am
It is essential to take the question of the thread in a literal and disingenuous way if one is to avoid the core question of the "cause" in which our troops allegedly are engaged in Iraq. This is what a great many of the "cheerleaders" in this thread have been doing--taking the question literally so as to avoid defending the indefensible.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 08:31 am
goodfielder wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
Bush lied. That's all there is to it. The whole thing is predicated on a series of lies. Sick feeling isn't it?


I understand you feel that way, GF. But you have no proof to substantiate your claim (and neither does Setanta), and therefore all you have are your feelings. Wild claims to the contrary have thus far all been debunked.


Tico I was just using up my hyperbole ration Very Happy


Was that your yearly quota? Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 08:31 am
Setanta wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
I understand you feel that way, GF. But you have no proof to substantiate your claim (and neither does Setanta), and therefore all you have are your feelings. Wild claims to the contrary have thus far all been debunked.


On August 26, 2002, at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention, Cheney stated: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." -- as that was not true, and this has subsequently been shown not to be true, such an unequivocal statement on his part constitutes a lie. He may have believed as much, but he did not know, and he spoke as though he did--therefore, he knowingly, willfully lied. The Shrub made remarks of the same character, asserting a knowledge he did not possess in his pre-war radio addresses. Get over it, Tico, your boys are politicians, they lie for a living.


You must know you are making a fundamental error: When one who asserts something they believe to be a fact as unequivocally true, which later turns out to not be true, that does not constitute telling a knowing and willful "lie."

What Cheney did was knowingly and willfully assert that he believed it to be true. Had he knowingly and willfully stated that it was unequivocally a true fact, when he knew that it wasn't, that would constitute a lie.

You get over it. You believe they lied, but that is merely your unsubstantiated opinion, worthy of all weight apropos thereto.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 08:32 am
Chrissee wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
There is something unseemly about those of us on the sidelines arguing whether or not this young man's death was, in some way, noble.


Well, then don't do it because that is not the issue. The issue is not whether Casey died nobly. Or even if he died for his own private noble cause. The question is what is the noble cause that Bush claims our soldiers are dying for.


Then why didn't you properly frame your question in your initial thread? The question you did bother to ask has been answered at length.


Casey is a metaphor that represents the soldiers. Sorry, you don't understand a more poetic phrasing.


The poetry thread is elsewhere. You should choose your words carefully since they convey meaning.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 08:33 am
No_shit_Sherlock wrote:
If "everyone" knows, then why is anyone asking "what noble cause did SPC Sheehan die for?"


Well, NSS, it appears Chrissee fancies herself a poet, and the reference to SPC Sheehan was merely a metaphor. The question that was apparently intended to be asked by this thread's originator was something along the lines of: "Is the Iraq War a Noble Cause?"
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 09:49 am
Ticomaya wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
Bush lied. That's all there is to it. The whole thing is predicated on a series of lies. Sick feeling isn't it?


I understand you feel that way, GF. But you have no proof to substantiate your claim (and neither does Setanta), and therefore all you have are your feelings. Wild claims to the contrary have thus far all been debunked.


Tico I was just using up my hyperbole ration Very Happy


Was that your yearly quota? Laughing


.....Not quite..... Laughing
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