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The Singularity has Arrived but it’s not what everyone thought..

 
 
Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 09:06 am
What do you think about the arrival of General Purpose AI programs like GPT 3, GPT 4, ChatGPT, Stable Diffusion, etc.?
 
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 05:44 pm
@Leadfoot,
It's not it yet, but as predicted at first when AGI arrives, we still have some road ahead, and it just equals humans it will be fun for sometime...The problem is that it wont stop its exponential development. The "fun" will be short lived...
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 06:53 pm
@Albuquerque,
I think the road ahead is pretty short myself, but what do you think the defining characteristic of AGI is, if this isn't it?
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 10:18 pm
@Leadfoot,
Although JP3 is already able to fool some people in the back of the bell curve it is still not truly general AI.

Believe me you will notice when one comes around, the fuss will be as big as nuclear fusion! For one it can't yet be used in a diversified set of domains to be considered general.

That said it is already very interesting.

I am more curious now on seeing how people will react as Socialism will come about forcefully through technological development, namely Fusion and AGI, rather then springing from the Ideological attempts back in the XX century.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 07:39 am
@Albuquerque,
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Although JP3 is already able to fool some people in the back of the bell curve it is still not truly general AI.

That's why the thread title ends with: “it’s not what you thought.”

It IS AGI, just the handicapped version that was released to the public, (do you really think they'd give that away free?). I think we will see the full thing unleashed on the world very soon.

These programs illustrate Artificial Intelligence, not Artificial Consciousness which is what most everyone was expecting and what it would take to fool everyone else on the bell curve. I think Artificial Consciousness will be relegated to books and movies. But that is not to say that AGI will not profoundly affect society, it surely will, and it won’t be painless.

Fusion? The road may be too short to get there.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 11:21 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:


Quote:
Although JP3 is already able to fool some people in the back of the bell curve it is still not truly general AI.

That's why the thread title ends with: “it’s not what you thought.”

It IS AGI, just the handicapped version that was released to the public, (do you really think they'd give that away free?). I think we will see the full thing unleashed on the world very soon.

These programs illustrate Artificial Intelligence, not Artificial Consciousness which is what most everyone was expecting and what it would take to fool everyone else on the bell curve. I think Artificial Consciousness will be relegated to books and movies. But that is not to say that AGI will not profoundly affect society, it surely will, and it won’t be painless.

Fusion? The road may be too short to get there.


If fusion is not the answer...some renewable, incredibly cheap, safe energy source will come into being...and EVERYTHING in the fiscal/social sphere will change dramatically and instantly.

Yeah, most will assume that any such energy source will be used purely as a capitalistic income stream...but it won't.

Something MUCH closer to socialism will become the norm...as well it should.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 08:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
So what does 'socialism' have to do do with full blown AI?
Do you think AI enables fusion 'soon'. (It might) Do you think ‘limitless' energy will enable universal prosperity? (I doubt it)

But let's say that it does give us universal ‘wealth'.

In that scenario, what function does Socialism serve? What humanitarian 'good' do you have to offer when nobody needs you?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 08:39 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

So what does 'socialism' have to do do with full blown AI?
Do you think AI enables fusion 'soon'. (It might) Do you think ‘limitless' energy will enable universal prosperity? (I doubt it)

But let's say that it does give us universal ‘wealth'.

In that scenario, what function does Socialism serve? What humanitarian 'good' do you have to offer when nobody needs you?


**** wealth. We have become way too focused on it...and it ain't worth ****.

What "limitless energy" will do is to make human work goddam near obsolete, which is what we should be aiming for. The only work that should be done by humans is work that machines cannot do...like make a hand-made silk tie...or make a hand-cooked meal...offer the kind of TLC only a nurse can offer...or serve up a martini with the same panache as a human bartender.

Best we greatly increase productivity by getting rid of as much human manufacturing involvement as possible...and unlimited, cheap energy will go a long way toward accomplishing that.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 09:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
I’m a little insulted that you interpreted my use of the word 'wealth' (in semi quotes') in that vulgar way. It was a cowardly dodge. You know damn well I was describing the very world you described as your perfect world.

So in such a world, why would you cook anyone a meal when the one you cooked it for could have asked the robot kitchen to get them whatever they wanted, served to them in their hammock at their beach house?
Or why would anyone be so cruel as to insist that anyone do such a labor intensive thing for them, when all they had to do was think the thought, and their neural net connection would save them the trouble of even saying the words?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 09:50 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:


I’m a little insulted that you interpreted my use of the word 'wealth' (in semi quotes') in that vulgar way. It was a cowardly dodge. You know damn well I was describing the very world you described as your perfect world.

So in such a world, why would you cook anyone a meal when the one you cooked it for could have asked the robot kitchen to get them whatever they wanted, served to them in their hammock at their beach house?
Or why would anyone be so cruel as to insist that anyone do such a labor intensive thing for them, when all they had to do was think the thought, and their neural net connection would save them the trouble of even saying the words?



Sorry, Leadfoot. I thought you meant to have a meaningful, respectful conversation.

My bad.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 12:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Sorry, Leadfoot. I thought you meant to have a meaningful, respectful conversation.

My bad.


If you were serious about a meaningful and respectful conversation, you would have engaged at least one of the questions I asked.

Yes, your bad. 'Virtue signaling' as a way of avoiding the subject which you raised in the first place.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 02:44 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
Sorry, Leadfoot. I thought you meant to have a meaningful, respectful conversation.

My bad.


If you were serious about a meaningful and respectful conversation, you would have engaged at least one of the questions I asked.

Yes, your bad. 'Virtue signaling' as a way of avoiding the subject which you raised in the first place.


As I said, I thought you meant to have a meaningful, respectful conversation.

I was wrong.

So...my bad.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2023 03:40 pm
85? And still a child.

Anyone else want to discuss AI, Socialism, anything?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 02:29 am
@Leadfoot,
Consciousness Leadfoot.Consciousness

That is what you need to focus on.AI is just hamsters wheel nonsense.

They have to programme these machines with full logic 0,0…1,0…1,0…1,1 even though modern day science doesn’t accept full logic.

How are they going to programme Consciousness into these machines?



Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 11:28 am
@Jasper10,
**** me.

Did you even read this short thread before posting?

What really pisses me off the most is that I can’t say the things I actually think without pissing virtually every hearer off. WTF does that mean?



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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 09:07 pm
@Albuquerque,
Albuquerque wrote:
It's not it yet, but as predicted at first when AGI arrives, we still have some road ahead, and it just equals humans it will be fun for sometime...The problem is that it wont stop its exponential development. The "fun" will be short lived...

These programs, as impressive as they are, are not even in the same galaxy with "equaling humans." Speaking as someone who was a professional software developer for decades, I would be astonished if they were anything like self-aware. As good as they are, they're advanced simulations - elaborate parlor tricks.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2023 01:24 am
@Jasper10,
Query,

Why does the topic title make mention to a singularity? Observations have confirmed that the cosmos is not expanding uniformly.

The cosmos is full of multiple BB’s and BC’s and observations have confirmed this.


Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2023 01:40 am
@Brandon9000,
You are talking about the present moment, this post is based on an old conference the experts on the AI field did that I saw some years ago, when I wrote the reply to Leadfoot it I was talking about the future, namely in the realm of the next 50 years ahead.

The post I did back then commenting the AI expert conference was on the track of what ALL experts in the field said in a conference 3 or 4 years ago. Case being that the most optimist were expecting AGI to be 10 to 15 years away and the most pessimistic predicting around a century away.

The most interesting point was that no one disagreed it would be achievable. And there were some comments about the sweet spot in which machines would just equal human performance at general intellectual tasking. That would be the period in which we would "cooperate" with each other, but the caveat was that as time unfolds they would quickly zap up way beyond our linguistic and conceptual understanding... no point was made about self awareness, nor do we need to go down that rabbit hole. We barely are capable of defining our own awareness within the polemic topic of having or not having free will and we have no idea what being aware really means or what purpose it has.

Either it is the case that everything has some level of awareness, even a rock when it is backed by the Sun and it processes information in the form of releasing heat by induction or radiation, or "life" is a special case that has metaphysical implications no one can quite explain, neither scientists nor philosophers or theologians, not in a coherent fashion anyway. To that can of worms I rather be moot for the time being.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2023 02:04 am
@Jasper10,
Go check Max Tegmark on that topic and others futurologists in the field of AI it is quite popular topic and I find it odd that you are not familiar with it..."singularity" is loosely used to describe the point of no return on an explosion of intelligence in which machines and men converge to be something so different that we Homo Sapiens wouldn't recognise it in front of our nose if we saw it today!
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Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2023 02:21 am
@Albuquerque,
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