The Singularity has Arrived but it’s not what everyone thought..

@Jasper10,

Contd….Who thinks it knows better than the fool who programmed it.

Dualism will then have reached fruition.

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@Jasper10,

Contd….two idiots together in perfect harmony.

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@Leadfoot,

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The hell of it is, they may be half right.

But not about all of us. We're not all deadshit dropkicks, who think the television is going to provide us with the information we need to thrive.

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These days I’d go mad if I had to do everything with analog money.

I pull cash literally every time I make a digital purchase. I use it pretty-much daily to make purchases from people who sell stuff online, and at the weekend markets.

If "our" currency ever gets the chop, I'll be one of the active users of the next best thing, whatever we come up with.

We will always have a physical trade note or currency.

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Wow, I didn't know about these chatbots and botwriters when I came across this thread, and now they're all over the news. Today in the morning NPR had a story about therapy by chatbot. A news feed came up from the WaPo about how CNET used botwriters to write articles, and the inaccuracy of much of the information provided therein.

For all the hype, these computer programs have not yet arrived at this singularity.

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@InfraBlue,

Thank you for making a valuable contribution to the thread.

It makes a welcome change.

Imagine that, someone talking about the thread topic.

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Jordan Peterson about Chat GPT:

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@InfraBlue,

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For all the hype, these computer programs have not yet arrived at this singularity.

Again, you think they would give the whole thing away for free?

This was just the movie trailer. You will have to pay for the full version. And that is only if Government doesn’t recognize it as a ‘National Security Threat'.

“ChatGPT, please write me a comprehensive plan to bring down Government X and generate all the cyber and other weapons needed for the job.”

They will probably want to monitor us even more than they do now.

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@Leadfoot,

Wow!, did things ever escalate fast.

I could not have predicted when this thread started that these few days later, mighty Google would be in a life or death struggle for survival against Microsoft Bing.

Bill Gates must be sweating with relief as he remembers that he almost gave AI away. Bet he won’t make that mistake again Smile

Screw mankind, viva la profits!

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@Leadfoot,

And the overlords are protecting us again.

Microsoft, in order to 'protect users' from errors and misinformation, have decided to limit AI chat sessions to five interchanges while they 'fix' the application. I’m sure they will succeed in that (except for the misinformation they WANT you to see) but it will also make it useless to those who would like to explore its potential for good.

It will not take those in power long to see the potential in this 'AI' and seek to keep and use it for themselves, while telling us it’s for our own good and protection.

God damn it, how ******* stupid does one have to be in order to swallow this obvious gaslighting bullshit?

OTOH, five interchanges is still longer than conversations on A2K go on.

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Most of them are just thumb gestures anyway.

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I love this latest 'public reaction' to Bing's Chatbot, as expressed by 'that' NY Times writer.

The public wanted a more 'human touch' with AI, so the folks at OpenAI gave it just that, albeit an obviously early version. Then the moronic Times writer provokes it, and is horrified when it responds as an immature human would. And I guess the upshot will be that we'll blame the frigg'n programmers. Or the machines if we’re really desperate.

Not that the programmers are without their biases. Bing Chat was just tested for political bias and was found to be Left/libertarian leaning.

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@Jasper10,

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We presently have the tail wagging the dog.

Hey Jasper,
had this thought and you came to mind. Unrelated to that dog (maybe?) but certainly applicable to your dogma of 'hope'. As I have said before, that simply is not enough to be 'all we have'. If I had a dogma like that it would boil down to: All you need to Live is Something to look forward to.

If you do not have that, you will be dead very shortly. And that 'Something' must be something completely, literally, real to you. It can be as small as ‘dinner' but if there is nothing you know to be real, you’re dead. Trouble is we get tired of just about everything here. Even 'dinner' losses its appeal sooner or later; that would be a good time to know there was still something more than 'hope' to look forward to. Can you imagine what it must be like to be alive with literally nothing you knew was real that you cared anything for? It’s worse than death.

I assume you still have lots of things you look forward to in life, so hypothetically, How would you solve that dilemma?

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@Leadfoot,

Hi Leadfoot,
I would say that as it stands, HOPING that there is or isn’t a God is not dogma in the PRESENT because unless anyone can provide definitive proof one way or the other right now that there either is or isn’t a God then clearly all anyone can do is HOPE that a God either does or doesn’t exist.

What other word would you use other than HOPE?

I would suggest that the only option we have is to HOPE and live for a God that is alive right now and is righteous rather than good or bad.

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@Leadfoot,

For me, my most cherished dogma is that the Universe is always right so if I don't get it the fault is mine.

Every time I approach a puzzle, a problem, a mental experiment, about something that seems odd or faulty or in need of correction I always start to counter myself with the thought "this is right" so lets see how it can make sense to me as a biological human...I play Devils advocate against myself long enough before I do it to others...

Speaking of oddities we want to get rid off they want to end up mosquitoes due to malaria and again I think it is a bad idea in spite of all the rational to do it...

Often the odd sensation that animals are all smarter then human pops into my mind... as they accept Reality as is and their own domain in reality as it must be...we don't...we tend to think we can do better and in that sense I think we are extremely naive and stupid.

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@Jasper10,

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What other word would you use other than HOPE?

That word is 'Know'. Or ‘Gnosis'.

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@Albuquerque,

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For me, my most cherished dogma is that the Universe is always right so if I don't get it the fault is mine.

Every time I approach a puzzle, a problem, a mental experiment, about something that seems odd or faulty or in need of correction I always start to counter myself with the thought "this is right" so lets see how it can make sense to me as a biological human...I play Devils advocate against myself long enough before I do it to others...

Speaking of oddities we want to get rid off they want to end up mosquitoes due to malaria and again I think it is a bad idea in spite of all the rational to do it...

Often the odd sensation that animals are all smarter then human pops into my mind... as they accept Reality as is and their own domain in reality as it must be...we don't...we tend to think we can do better and in that sense I think we are extremely naive and stupid.

I completely agree with your basic approach to finding the truth about reality and avoiding personal bias. The source of any difference between us is the CONTEXT within which this reality exists, THAT is 'Reality'. I think, that you think, that this reality, grand as it is, IS the context.

Malaria: That's a tough one. We can wipe out malaria any time we want. We did it in the developed world. We could save millions of lives every year any time we wanted. And within very few years, Africa would be the most populous continent on earth, with most of them dependent on the rest of the world to keep them from starving to death or dying from a dozen other diseases.
What's the right thing to do?

Animals ARE smarter than humans when it comes to rational approaches to survival. And Their bodies are marvels of engineering. But it is the behavioral programming that is truly humbling to behold. One could, and sometimes people do, become so intrigued with one particular animal creation that they dedicate their entire life to them. Sometime people do the same with another human. Mea culpa. I did not give proper reverence to Reality.
But they are amazing. My brother was recently adopted by an adorable stray pit bull puppy. I think they saved each other.

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@Leadfoot,

If you are totally honest with yourself Leadfoot then you will admit that you can’t possibly know or not know if there is a God or not.Nothing wrong with that at all.If you want truth, there you have it.

So what next? Dualism maybe? All you can do with dualism in this scenario is place both possibilities on one side of the fence and both possibilities on the other side to the fence always keeping the balance because nature balances equal but opposites with equal but opposites ………+/-=+/- .

Then walk straight down the middle and HOPE having balanced the possibilities.

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@Jasper10,

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If you are totally honest with yourself Leadfoot then you will admit that you can’t possibly know or not know if there is a God or not.Nothing wrong with that at all.If you want truth, there you have it.

Holy cow, it looks like Frank has hijacked Jasper's A2K account!

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@Leadfoot,

Well I have been consistent with what I have posted Leadfoot as Frank has been with his postings.The difference is that I explain my philosophies across the sciences especially the psychological because they are practical.

One of the fundamental points that me and Frank disagree on are the 2 words HOPE and GUESS.

I hope,Frank refuses to guess.All I was trying to say to Frank ultimately was that he needed to budge over.

I would suggest that if you don’t have something to hope in then all you can do is hope in yourself.Frank refuses to hope and yet all he can do is hope that his philosophy is correct.So Frank hopes.

I would suggest that one can refuse to guess and then eloquently explain the balance within that philosophy.One can equally reject a God whilst one is doing this.If there is a God,then accepting or rejecting that God is all that matters isn’t it? Choice made.

Philosophy at the end of the day is about accepting and rejecting which are equal but opposites.

I can accept and reject and be thankful can’t I?

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@Leadfoot,

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If you are totally honest with yourself Leadfoot then you will admit that you can’t possibly know or not know if there is a God or not.Nothing wrong with that at all.If you want truth, there you have it.

Holy cow, it looks like Frank has hijacked Jasper's A2K account!

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