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The Singularity has Arrived but it’s not what everyone thought..

 
 
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 03:25 am
Back to our present state of affairs in a current favourite channel I subscribed into I give you an interesting take on how narrow AI is already permeating all fields of our life, its implications and what is at stake!
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 05:52 am
@Albuquerque,
I apologise it seams I double posted as this video was already in my documentary section, and I didn't checked it. Anyway if you didn't saw it there it is here now, thank you and catch you later!
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Brandon9000
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 07:01 am
@Albuquerque,
Speaking as someone who was written thousands of computer programs since the mid-1960s when I was a child, I don't believe the word "aware" applies to these programs as presently constituted. I don't believe they are aware of their own existence. I think they are elaborate tricks.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 08:12 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Speaking as someone who was written thousands of computer programs since the mid-1960s when I was a child, I don't believe the word "aware" applies to these programs as presently constituted. I don't believe they are aware of their own existence. I think they are elaborate tricks.


That may apply to ALL supposedly living things...including what we humans call humans.
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Leadfoot
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 09:04 am
@Brandon9000,
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I would be astonished if they were anything like self-aware. As good as they are, they're advanced simulations - elaborate parlor tricks.

Again, it’s not what you’re thinking.

The 'Singularity' in the concept of this new generation of AI, is not that it is conscious, aware, or even superhuman intelligent. But if it is implemented with its full potential, it will give every human with access to it the cumulative knowledge of mankind, AND, the capability to apply it to whatever goal the user has.

And do it incredibly fast of course.
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 10:14 am
@Brandon9000,
Awareness is not the point...I don't care if it is self aware or not.
A "philosophical zombie" with super intelligence could potentially be exactly as harmful as an aware bot...

I am not sure my cat is aware or anyone else for that matter...I make an educated guess you are but that is it. I could go further and even question the "possession" of my own awareness...Descartes was wrong when he claimed he thought therefore he was...this "he", the "I" is anything but certain where it is and under what form of control it is, typical example being a figment of imagination in a Boltzmann brain. Not saying it is the case but rather saying you can not prove otherwise.

Now if what you mean with not being "aware" is that it doesn't have goals you are sorely wrong!
For now we don't have AGI and as far as I can see even with narrow AI applied on so many domains we are already in deep trouble.

The fixation of people with "awareness" sadly has been enough to give a pass to a technology that is by all accounts already extremely dangerous!
Unlike atomic bombs its danger resides precisely in its "invisibility"!

The problem of "experts" in many domains these days is that they didn't took a major in Philosophy before whatever they went about studying and investigating...most are extremely clumsy when it comes to concept analysis and have an appalling disdain for anything that is not pragmatical down to earth inquiry. They simply are not prepared for deep analysis!
Brandon9000
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 03:10 pm
@Leadfoot,
What you've specified here is not more that the Internet already does.
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 03:45 pm
@Brandon9000,
That is as vague as it possibly can be...
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Brandon9000
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 04:29 pm
@Albuquerque,
Albuquerque wrote:
The problem of "experts" in many domains these days is that they didn't took a major in Philosophy before whatever they went about studying and investigating...most are extremely clumsy when it comes to concept analysis and have an appalling disdain for anything that is not pragmatical down to earth inquiry. They simply are not prepared for deep analysis!

Not prepared for deep analysis. I see. Well, here's my answer to that. Look at how much science has progressed since the 1600s and compare it to how much philosophy has progressed since the 16o0s. That pretty much says it all.
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 05:27 pm
@Brandon9000,
Astonishingly brutal, your ignorance and naivety shows deeply.
There is no step in Science today that is not done from Philosophy and cleaned up by it.

You are the perfect example of a testing monkey that applies the method without an inch of thought on what is really being done on the way.
The kind of people you represent have a name, lab rats!

Let me give you an insight to the future since we are speaking about AI...Scientists will be replaced by automatic processes, not Philosophers...you prolly to old to come to see it with your own eyes.

Leadfoot
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 06:02 pm
@Brandon9000,
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What you've specified here is not more that the Internet already does.

Then you really do not understand what this new form of AI is.

Using just the internet, can a non-programmer ask it to write a program in Python (or your language of choice) that can hack into a network of interest and deliver such a program? GPTChat can do that now, even in its current handicapped form.

It can also write passable term papers and do your homework for you, without any effort on your part.
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 06:59 pm
@Leadfoot,
You are impressed with GPT-3 skills because it is language but IMO Alpha Zero is much better AI. Wolfram has been working on converting normal language to programming for a decade now.

Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 07:19 pm
@Albuquerque,
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Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 08:06 pm
GPT-3 taking on google search engine:
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Brandon9000
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 08:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
I didn't say that it doesn't do more than the Internet. I said that your list in that one post was not more than the Internet does.
Brandon9000
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 08:39 pm
@Albuquerque,
Since the 1600s, science has advanced dramatically and transformed every aspect of life on Earth. In that same period, philosophy hasn't changed much. That proves which discipline is accomplishing more. And, by the way, I don't have to include unflattering speculations about you personally to make my points.
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 08:49 pm
@Brandon9000,
You didn't make any point whatsoever. You will make a point when you explain what is it that Science did without Philosophy on every background.
Moreover you like many others confuse the scientific method with thinking.
The method is just that, a method for gathering useful data, it is a procedure and 90% of scientists are mostly "caretakers" of technology. The fact is as soon as you go on a tangent to interpret it you are already on the realm of Philosophy. So please don't confuse technology with knowledge and wisdom.
"Shut up and calculate" is over!
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 08:51 pm
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Brandon9000
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 09:21 pm
@Albuquerque,
Albuquerque wrote:

You didn't make any point whatsoever. You will make a point when you explain what is it that Science did without Philosophy on every background.
Moreover you like many others confuse the scientific method with thinking.
The method is just that, a method for gathering useful data, it is a procedure and 90% of scientists are mostly "caretakers" of technology. The fact is as soon as you go on a tangent to interpret it you are already on the realm of Philosophy. So please don't confuse technology with knowledge and wisdom.
"Shut up and calculate" is over!

The immediate evidence of our eyes is that science has made dramatic progress, built a civilization, and changed every aspect of our existence, whereas philosophy has barely made progress at all during the past three or four centuries.

When Newton derived the laws of motion, or Heisenberg and Schrodinger invented quantum mechanics, they may have had some thought in their head about "I think, therefore, I am," or some other philosophical idea, but it's hardly responsible for their physics in any substantial way. F = ma or Farraday's Law don't come from speculations about whether what you see in the world is what's really there (or fill in your philosophical BS concept). That's just the kind of thing that people who've never been able to learn science say to make themselves feel better.
Albuquerque
 
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Sun 15 Jan, 2023 11:15 pm
@Brandon9000,
..oh boy you are a full course meal!
You do really need to get a refresh course on what Philosophers do today everywhere from Neuroscience to High Energy particle Physics...oh and yes AI to......I am sorry for the bluntness Brandon 9K but you are dumb!

You don't know what Science is nor do you have a clear picture on how Philosophy pervades 99% of the time you are awake.
 

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