Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

Rex, Many christians claim to "know god," but how can you/they? The bible is full of contradictions, errors, and omissions. It has already been proven that the bible was established using Hebrew mythology, and the new testament was written by many men with varying degrees of common sense and logic years after the supposed life of this "jesus" that no other document or historian has written about. Many cannons were not included in the bible. With all the miracles performed, how come there are no other sources? Beyond that, science has already prove that this planet is closer to being 5.5 billion years old, not 5,000 years old based on the bible.

The concept of flat earth is long gone. Why the bible remains the foundation for any religion is a mystery.

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The truth is never a mystery.

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Momma Angel wrote:

The truth is never a mystery.

The truth can be the greatest mystery.

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Only if you don't see it for what it is.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Only if you don't see it for what it is.

If you get to see it at all.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Only if you don't see it for what it is.

If you get to see it at all.

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The Bible is a compliation of myriad manuscripts all produced from oral tradition which, given the history of the ancients, was quite reliable. I mean to say reliable in the sense that they were practiced at telling and retelling the stories with absolute accuracy from their point of view, experience, history, and culture.

The manuscripts have been copied and recopied through the millenia with some scribal notes (points of clarification) added now and then, and the many manuscripts have been edited together with little concern for their chronology and, because those who wrote them were so familiar with them, with little explanation that would help us understand their content and meaning some two to four thousand years later.

The Bible is an amazing collection of history, allegory, parable, metaphor, symbolism, prophecy, instruction, sayings, poetry, and apolocalyptic code and, given how many have attempted to eradicae it, dispute it, discredit it, and dismiss it, people of faith can only conclude that it remains the #1 best seller worldwide because God wants it to be.

Those who attempt to discredit people of faith through the Bible, and also those people of faith who attempt to prove their point through the Bible, are likely to err if they do not present the text through the eyes, experience, and culture of those who wrote it. Once they do that however, the universal truths apparent in the Bible come shining through, and many will testify that this can be life changing.

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Beautifully said!

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The retelling of any story changes with time.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

The retelling of any story changes with time.

We have noticed

Rolling Eyes

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Not only that, but when more than one person witnesses the same thing, they see it differently from one person to the next.

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And making up all the excuses and justifications in the world will not change the truth of God or of the Bible.

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Foxfyre wrote:

The Bible is a compliation of myriad manuscripts all produced from oral tradition which, given the history of the ancients, was quite reliable. I mean to say reliable in the sense that they were practiced at telling and retelling the stories with absolute accuracy from their point of view, experience, history, and culture.

The manuscripts have been copied and recopied through the millenia with some scribal notes (points of clarification) added now and then, and the many manuscripts have been edited together with little concern for their chronology and, because those who wrote them were so familiar with them, with little explanation that would help us understand their content and meaning some two to four thousand years later.

The Bible is an amazing collection of history, allegory, parable, metaphor, symbolism, prophecy, instruction, sayings, poetry, and apolocalyptic code and, given how many have attempted to eradicae it, dispute it, discredit it, and dismiss it, people of faith can only conclude that it remains the #1 best seller worldwide because God wants it to be.

Those who attempt to discredit people of faith through the Bible, and also those people of faith who attempt to prove their point through the Bible, are likely to err if they do not present the text through the eyes, experience, and culture of those who wrote it. Once they do that however, the universal truths apparent in the Bible come shining through, and many will testify that this can be life changing.

Considering all of that, can you tell us if the story of Noah and the Ark is fact or fiction?

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HOw does one decide what is history, what is allegory, what is metaphor, symbolism, instruction, prophecy, and apolocalyptic code?

Will you please go through the bible and identify each one for us? We will be foreever indebted to you.

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I don't see anywhere in the bible where it prefaces each verse with "this is allegory or this is metaphor, or this is history, or etc., etc., etc..

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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HOw does one decide what is history, what is allegory, what is metaphor, symbolism, instruction, prophecy, and apolocalyptic code?

Will you please go through the bible and identify each one for us? We will be foreever indebted to you.

Funny, but I thought that's what you have been doing for us when you reference verses in the Bible.

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Since I'm only taking verses "out of context" according to you, we want your take on it as somebody that understands god.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Since I'm only taking verses "out of context" according to you, we want your take on it as somebody that understands god.

C.I.,

Now, how did I know you would say something like that? You have a habit of saying things and then not backing them up. We have pointed out to you and others many times what we felt was literal and what was not. You didn't accept any of it.

You just posted your "out of context" verses and ran and hid like you have been doing for quite awhile now.

You seem to demand that "we" back up our side but you do little to back up your side. I am just very curious as to why that is.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Rex, Many christians claim to "know god," but how can you/they? The bible is full of contradictions

Can you show any absolute contradiction in the Bible? That is, can you show with certainty that the Bible states that something is A, and that it is not the case that something is A, at the same time, and in the same respect? I am being very specific here in my request, because it is one thing to say the Bible contains contradictions, yet it is something entirely else to show this in an objective, absolute manner (i.e. in such a way that someone can't simply respond to you that your particular interpretation is lacking)

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errors

See my comments above on contradictions.

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and omissions

Omissions? As in, the Bible should have included something, and it didn't? What might that be? And how do you know it should have been in the Bible?

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It has already been proven that the bible was established using Hebrew mythology

What specifically do you mean by this? And could you please either post the "proof" of which you speak, or a link to it?

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and the new testament was written by many men with varying degrees of common sense and logic years after the supposed life of this "jesus" that no other document or historian has written about.

What relevance does the level of "common sense and logic" or the expired time have to do with the truth of the Bible? Unless you can objectively show that the abilities of the men in question directly impacted the truth of something in the Bible, then this is an argument of irrelevance.

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Many cannons were not included in the bible.

True. Do you think there were some that should have been? And if so, tell us why?

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With all the miracles performed, how come there are no other sources?

Good question. But what bearing does that have on the truth of the Bible?

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Beyond that, science has already prove that this planet is closer to being 5.5 billion years old, not 5,000 years old based on the bible.

Yet there are many ways to interpret the Bible, no? And not all of them lead to the conclusion that the eart is 5,000 years old.

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The concept of flat earth is long gone.

In general, yes.

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Why the bible remains the foundation for any religion is a mystery.

A mystery to you, perhaps. But understand that the truth of the Bible does not stand or fall on whether the earth is flat.

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Implicator, Awe, go do your own homework. This stuff has been repeated ad nauseum on a2k, so all you need to do is search the religion forums.

Another thing that is obvious is the simple fact that you religious people don't read or understand what's posted that contradicts your position on anyting about the bible, anywhos. Ain't gonna waste my time, but since you're curious enough - go search.

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