Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

C.I.,

I am really finding it hard to follow your line of reasoning lately. One minute you don't believe in God, then it's God's fault for Katrina, so which is it? You believe in God or you don't?

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Even Fox goes so far as to blame man for building their homes on this planet that god built.

I think you need to reread her post. She was telling you that God did not decide where those people built their homes. She wasn't blaming them for building their homes there.

You are getting harder and harder to follow here, C.I.

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The Bible is pretty specific about the wisdom of building one's house in a safe place. And it specifically warns those who don't that the winds and waves will smash their house. Is it God's fault if people don't heed the counsel?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Just want to show how ridiculous it is to believe there's some omnipotent being out there watching out for man.

Then why do you put forth the argument that God is responsible for Katrina? Seems to be very irresponsible on your part to do so. You argue vehemently about something and then use your own arguments against yourself. Rolling Eyes

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Momma Angel wrote:

C.I.,

I am really finding it hard to follow your line of reasoning lately. One minute you don't believe in God, then it's God's fault for Katrina, so which is it? You believe in God or you don't?

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Even Fox goes so far as to blame man for building their homes on this planet that god built.

I think you need to reread her post. She was telling you that God did not decide where those people built their homes. She wasn't blaming them for building their homes there.

You are getting harder and harder to follow here, C.I.

Forgive him Momma for he knows not of which he speaks. Too many comic books, dontcha know.

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Oh I forgive him. I'm just trying to understand him.

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Momma Angel wrote:

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If it was the same guy that fired the bullet, I would think that mighty weird.

It wasn't God that killed Christ. It was men.

"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son...", so now you are saying it was out of God's hands?

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Mesquite,

You do love this going back and forth, don't you? You know very well, as has been stated before, that Christ was WILLING to put Himself in this place for us. At anytime, man could have not done what he did. Pontius Pilate's wife even had a dream and then begged Pilate not to have anything to do with the persecution of Christ. The people were given the choice of chosing to let either Christ or Barabbas set free and the people chose Barabbas. Man has always had free will and will always be responsible for his own actions. Blaming God just isn't gonna cut it. WE ALL have to take responsibility for our own actions.

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Foxfyre wrote:

The Bible is pretty specific about the wisdom of building one's house in a safe place. And it specifically warns those who don't that the winds and waves will smash their house. Is it God's fault if people don't heed the counsel?

If I understand this correctly, you are saying that your god does not intercede to alieve the distress of his creations, yet, you will petition your god with prayer to intercede on behalf of yourself or others distress. Confusing.

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I said nothing even remotely similar to what you said, Dys.

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Not only confusing, but a simple contradiction in logic. People can pray to god to help them survive god-made natural disasters, but it's up to man to be at the right place 100 percent of the time. That would be mars.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

You do love this going back and forth, don't you? You know very well, as has been stated before, that Christ was WILLING to put Himself in this place for us. At anytime, man could have not done what he did. Pontius Pilate's wife even had a dream and then begged Pilate not to have anything to do with the persecution of Christ. The people were given the choice of chosing to let either Christ or Barabbas set free and the people chose Barabbas. Man has always had free will and will always be responsible for his own actions. Blaming God just isn't gonna cut it. WE ALL have to take responsibility for our own actions.

I gotta admit MA, I do love the back in forth on this particular point anyway, because it is just so convoluted of a proposition.

If it was all Pontius Pilate's and the people's doing for breaking man's law, then where does the sacrifice for OUR sins fit in? (Sins being things that offend God.) The sacrifice was to WHO?

Of course we all have to take responsibility for our own actions, but that is what your sig line seems to negate.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I said nothing even remotely similar to what you said, Dys.

Well then, correct me please on exactly what my lack of understanding is.
Does your god intercede or not?

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Mesquite,

While it is true Christ died for our sins, IT DOES NOT give us license to do whatever we please! My signature line negates nothing.

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So then your sig line does not mean what it says?

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God gave his son, but man was used by god to crucify him. Thou shalt not kill as a whole new meaning.

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Mesquite,

My signature line means exactly what it says. Just because some would twist the intent or the word of God, doesn't change it.

C.I.,

You have absolutely no concept (IMO) of what free will is. You seem (IMO) to only want to blame God for everything that you can. You say you don't believe in God but yet you try to use His word to discredit Him. It cannot be done. If you don't believe in Him, then why do you blame Him for anything? If you don't believe in Him, then who does that leave to blame? It leaves man. And from what you have posted, you seem to think that man is superior to God. So, why do you blame God, especially since you don't believe in Him?

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Dyslexia writes

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Well then, correct me please on exactly what my lack of understanding is.
Does your god intercede or not?

Yes, I know He does. But it is on His terms. Not ours.

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so then praying to your god to intercede is pretty much a shot in the dark?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

My signature line means exactly what it says. Just because some would twist the intent or the word of God, doesn't change it.

What did I twist?

For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Are you saying that there is more to it than believing, that deeds count? That is refreshing to hear, but that is not necessarily mainline thought.

If deeds count then that opens up a whole new bucket of worms. Do you follow the teachings of Jesus, or Paul, or heaven forbid the teachings in the Old Testament?

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mesquite wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite,

My signature line means exactly what it says. Just because some would twist the intent or the word of God, doesn't change it.

What did I twist?

For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Are you saying that there is more to it than believing, that deeds count? That is refreshing to hear, but that is not necessarily mainline thought.

If deeds count then that opens up a whole new bucket of worms. Do you follow the teachings of Jesus, or Paul, or heaven forbid the teachings in the Old Testament?

Mesquite,

Not necessarily you twisting. It's just become twisted through many posts. You have to believe, yes. But, you cannot take the grace of salvation for granted. As a Christian, I am supposed to live my life as Christlike as I possibly can. If I just accepted the salvation and did not change anything in my life, what good would it be? My faith has changed my life so much for the better. I have become a better person because of my faith. But, it has to be real. You can't just say you believe it and then do nothing about it.

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