Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

In the spirit of hyjacking this thread , now that President Bush has made religion, LINK a pre-qualifier for selection to this nation's highest court, perhaps we should forward Frank's questions to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Minority Counsel so that Harriet Miers could attempt to answer them.

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LIVE ON FOX..... THE COMMITTEE MEETS MS MEIRS

Senator Blah Blah..."So please tell the Committee where in the Bible you find that God the Father is kind and loving and clear up the matter about killing all the men and boys in a conquered city, if you would."

Ms. Miers: "I'd be happy to Senator. The Senator should remember or be advised that unlike civil laws, the kinds they make in buildings such as these, God's Laws are elastic, plastic, stretchable and as discardable as an old pair of panty hose. Take that one you mentioned about the conquered city, now most would see that in conflict with the Commandment 'Thou shalt not kill.' but not a real Christian. A real Christian can stretch that 'not kill' to Kansas and back and find a dozen ways to kill that are okay and sometimes more than okay. Sometimes to kill can be holy."

Senator "er"

Miers: "And don't worry your pretty head about God being nice. We just make that up. We know God is a horrible, powerful thing who is able to snuff us out like a bug, but that's depressing, so we just talk about God's love for us as if it's real. And it is. It's as real as He is."

Senator: "How real is that?"

Miers: "Beats the hell of me. I just joined the evangelicals because they have better music than the Catholics and in Texas, really, the only people who are Catholics are Mexicans anyway, so I made the move and I just love the big choir. But you were asking about picking and choosing which of God's laws we follow. We just do what's right, we don't meddle with that slavery stuff anymore, just like all those silly dietary rules, but we do stick by our guns, literally, I guess, ha ha, when it comes to gays. That's just icky and we won't put up with it. Oh, and I know Christian are supposed to sell all and follow Christ, but who's kidding who about that. Give me a preacher in a two thousand dollar suit, beads of sweat on his brow, choir pumping up the bass line in the background while he tears up about the Blood and being born in it. That's about as real as it gets, right?"

Joe(The Committee thanks the nominee for appearing...)Nation

Implicator wrote:

So absolutely no effort to answer this at all?

Implicator...

...I am still waiting for you to produce material from the Bible that shows the god of the Bible on the scene...where the thrust of the scene does not have the god threatening, punishing, killing, or asking others to kill.

So far...the only passage you and Intrepid have produced...is the scene in Genesis where the god allows a 90 year old woman to get pregnant!!!!

When you produce any scenes that do not have the god threatening, punishing, killing or asking others to kill...we will discuss them.

I don't think you can...so you are attempting to build a gigantic straw man in an effort to avoid acknowledging that you cannot.

Mention whatever you want EVERY TIME you post...and I will mention this fact.

Allow me once again to thank you for entertaining me this way...and for helping me to make my point.

You are a dream come true.

Perhaps God figured man had enough sense to read both the Old and New Testament and understand that in order to know the full character of God (just as in knowing the full character of anyone) you have to take the whole story into consideration?

Again, always from the Old Testament and disregarding the New Testament and the teachings of Christ. I am beginning to think that some just don't want to believe in the goodness of God. I wonder why that is?

And some that accept the second half don't accept the first half. Such confusion! LOL

Perhaps God figured man had enough sense to read both the Old and New Testament and understand that in order to know the full character of God (just as in knowing the full character of anyone) you have to take the whole story into consideration?

Again, always from the Old Testament and disregarding the New Testament and the teachings of Christ. I am beginning to think that some just don't want to believe in the goodness of God. I wonder why that is?[/[/size]quote]

The New Testament didn't change God. It changed the relationship between God and Man. The gates of heaven which had been closed due to Original Sin were opened by the sacrifice of Christ, but that didn't make God the Father Mr. Nice Guy, heck, He allowed His Son to be beaten to a pulp and hung on a cross.

Just what level of goodness can be expected from God? Is there any level of expectation of that goodness turning into God's protection, the proverbial, Hand of Providence? Or is that beyond belief?

Don't get me wrong, the ideas of Christ could probably save millions of human lives if they were ever fully implemented, but except for a couple of bands of 1st Century monastics and a couple of people I knew during the Civil Rights Struggles of the 1960's, Christ's teachings of Loving each other, seeking Justice in the face of Civil Authority, eschewing riches to follow the Way and struggling to spread the word of Peace throughout the world despite the actions of your enemy*, have been co-opted, stretched, covered, mis-interpreted or ignored.

Meanwhile, while Jesus is Lord, His Father is still the Person of God in Charge, right? If you talk to Him, tell I said we could use some goodness and mercy right about now, down there on the Gulf Coast and in the Gulf Region of Iraq/Iran, in the sunken towns of East New Jersey tonight and in the crushed cities of Kashmir, over in Darfur and in the AIDS clinics of Russia. Oh, and there's a little girl in Brooklyn who was abandoned on the street at two AM by her mother's murderer and a sparrow or two He needs to keep his eye on.

Me? I'm doing okay and I hope you are too.

Joe(*these can be accomplished without relying on a fiction.)Nation

Joe,

I can only tell you I think it is sad that you seem to be blaming God for the ills of the world. Now, if I am incorrect in that, please forgive me.

If your best friend jumped in front of a bullet for you, how would you feel about him? Would you see what he did as a despicable act or one of love?

Earthly shelters doesn't help the fact that god was responsible for Katrina.

If it was the same guy that fired the bullet, I would think that mighty weird.

Earthly shelters doesn't help the fact that god was responsible for Katrina.