Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

What has my spending time in the service anything to do with this discussion?

Well, if you had then I would imagine you would have personal knowledge of some of these things. So far, we have been just talking about knowledge we have gotten from others.

Not really; I posted information from US media. That is not "personal" information.

C.I.,

I know that wasn't personal information. That's why I was wondering if perhaps you had some personal information. You just post the articles but don't say an awful lot. Just trying to get your personal take on things.

Hope he doesn't mind my saying so - c.i. served in the USAF. Thats almost like the military

Thank you Timber. I appreciate you telling me.

timber, I'm not so sure it's even close to "almost like the military," although we were required to salute officers.

C.I.,

Since you were in the military, can you tell us a little about your personal views?

What can I say? The service changed my life around for the better, so I have positive feelings about my time in the service, although the day I bussed out of my last base was one of the happiest days of my life.

Thank you. I appreciate you answering.

feel like you been pulling teeth, ma?

Hi Snood,

Yes, I do. Kind of like they did in the old days. With a screwdriver! Good to see you!

Screwdriver? Get a grip. Use pliers!!

LOL! I was.....oh, nevermind. It was a joke!

In the spirit of hyjacking this thread , now that President Bush has made religion, LINK a pre-qualifier for selection to this nation's highest court, perhaps we should forward Frank's questions to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Minority Counsel so that Harriet Miers could attempt to answer them.

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LIVE ON FOX..... THE COMMITTEE MEETS MS MEIRS

Senator Blah Blah..."So please tell the Committee where in the Bible you find that God the Father is kind and loving and clear up the matter about killing all the men and boys in a conquered city, if you would."

Ms. Miers: "I'd be happy to Senator. The Senator should remember or be advised that unlike civil laws, the kinds they make in buildings such as these, God's Laws are elastic, plastic, stretchable and as discardable as an old pair of panty hose. Take that one you mentioned about the conquered city, now most would see that in conflict with the Commandment 'Thou shalt not kill.' but not a real Christian. A real Christian can stretch that 'not kill' to Kansas and back and find a dozen ways to kill that are okay and sometimes more than okay. Sometimes to kill can be holy."

Senator "er"

Miers: "And don't worry your pretty head about God being nice. We just make that up. We know God is a horrible, powerful thing who is able to snuff us out like a bug, but that's depressing, so we just talk about God's love for us as if it's real. And it is. It's as real as He is."

Senator: "How real is that?"

Miers: "Beats the hell of me. I just joined the evangelicals because they have better music than the Catholics and in Texas, really, the only people who are Catholics are Mexicans anyway, so I made the move and I just love the big choir. But you were asking about picking and choosing which of God's laws we follow. We just do what's right, we don't meddle with that slavery stuff anymore, just like all those silly dietary rules, but we do stick by our guns, literally, I guess, ha ha, when it comes to gays. That's just icky and we won't put up with it. Oh, and I know Christian are supposed to sell all and follow Christ, but who's kidding who about that. Give me a preacher in a two thousand dollar suit, beads of sweat on his brow, choir pumping up the bass line in the background while he tears up about the Blood and being born in it. That's about as real as it gets, right?"

Joe(The Committee thanks the nominee for appearing...)Nation

It's just wonderful to live in a country where people don't have to worry about being laughed at and joked about because of color, race, creed, or religion, isn't it?

Makes me proud.

...or thrown in jail or even worse, executed for blasphemy against the particular god whose followers run the government. Yep, it is fantabulous to live in such a country.

I remember when John F. Kennedy ran for president, he worried because of his catholic background. I think we have greater worries today than back in the sixties with religion being used to control this country.

c.i.- I am sure that Kennedy was concerned, but as I remember it, Kennedy's Catholicism was a major concern of the electorate. They were worried that he would look to the Vatican for guidance in his running of the presidency.

As it turned out, no matter what people think about the man, he did not allow his paticular religion to interfere with the execution of his duties. Our present president should follow Kennedy's example, and we would all be better off.

Phoenix, Trying to get Bush to emulate Kennedy in anything is an oxymoron. Can't be done.