Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

tycoon wrote:

Hi Frank,

This is an epic thread, one that I have followed from page one. Thank you.

May I suggest that you're being too kind about this Sarah business. You have allowed for this story, occupying a few sparse verses in Genesis 17, to be an exception to your challenge to not find a threatening god on the scene.

It was even posited by MA that Sarah, 90 years old, was wanting a child. There is nothing in those verses to support this. I agree with Phoenix, what 90 year old woman would wish for this? What a burden.

Where is the kindness in this story? I wish you would retract your exception.

Regards,

tycoon

Some people only view things as their narrow views today will allow. Why is 90 years of age old for that time? People are listed as living hundreds of years. Why put your concept of time on something that you know nothing about? Frank's exception? Frank is not ruler of the universe. Frank does not have all of the answers.

Congradulations frank
You've got one hell of a thread going here...

Maybe you should send the link to G W Bush.
He could read it in bed before his afternoon nap.

He'd likely pin a medal on Ma, while whistling 'Onward Christian Soldiers,'

but you never know...

When Abraham learned we was going to be a father, he did the modern day equivalent of ROFLMAO (verse 17).

Oh, so now I fail my faith? Great, I'll just add that to the list of all the other nice things that have been said about me.

I support our troops. What matters to me is that for whatever reason, our troops are there and they deserve every bit of support I can give them. That's what I do. If I sat over here in the U.S. and complained about the war what does that say? Not all the soldiers believe they are fighting for nothing or just oil. They happen to believe that they are fighting for our freedom and our right to be holding this very discussion.

Now, who fails what? And who is so blameless that they can cast stones?

Momma Angel wrote:

Oh, so now I fail my faith? Great, I'll just add that to the list of all the other nice things that have been said about me.

I support our troops. What matters to me is that for whatever reason, our troops are there and they deserve every bit of support I can give them. That's what I do. If I sat over here in the U.S. and complained about the war what does that say? Not all the soldiers believe they are fighting for nothing or just oil. They happen to believe that they are fighting for our freedom and our right to be holding this very discussion.

Now, who fails what? And who is so blameless that they can cast stones?

So, in effect, you are saying that you value some people's lives (USA) more than the lives of others (Iraq). How do you square that with your god? Aren't all god's children equal in his eyes? Do you think God has this same "Us vs. Them" prejudice? Does god also "root" for certain people over others in life and death situations simply because they happen to have been born on one patch of land rather than another?

Momma,

Well, since the job of our troops in this war is to kill insurgents in Iraq, I would think you would be able to extrapolate past your simple statement and see that your support for our troops logically means you want the guys they are fighting to be killed rather than them. You can't have it both ways. Or can you?

Let me ask you this. What does the statement, "I support our troops" mean to you, in terms of this war they are in?

And do you do the same for the insurgents, and the displaced people in Iraq?