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Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

 
 
BreatheThePoison
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:11 am
instead of debating...

then we'd have solutions withtout question.
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BreatheThePoison
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:12 am
not that i dont enjoy debating.... because i do. its just sometimes in the lonely dark of my bed i wonder.... "how will we know what the answer is?"
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:18 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
You forget, Au, that one of Neo's wild guesses is that we have a soul...but that it does not survive death.
Actually, it is more accurate to say we are souls. Cool
au1929 wrote:
Frank
I forgot Neo stradles both sides of the fence. If he slips it will pay hell with his crouch. Ooh that smarts. Crying or Very sad
Actually, it is more accurate to say I am trying to destroy the fence. Much more effective than trying to crouch beneath it or destroy my crotch trying to leap over it. Laughing
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:19 am
BreatheThePoison wrote:
lol. personally, i think we should concentrate more on a way to raise the dead, then anyone who had any such questions could commit suicide spend a couple days on the other side, then come back and tell us what it was like....

i'd volunteer.

That to me seems like a simpler solution. *shrug*
xingu, do you want to leap in here?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:38 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
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(Psalms is particularly nasty. "Blessed is he who dashes the children against the stones" or somesuch....)


Oh,...there are many, many more "nasty" things about this obscene book. But we will discuss them in their turn.

Shall we play "who has the bigger atrocity?"
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:45 am
neologist wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
You forget, Au, that one of Neo's wild guesses is that we have a soul...but that it does not survive death.
Actually, it is more accurate to say we are souls. Cool


Okay...

...Au, you forget that one of Neo's wild guesses...the wild guesses he pulls out of thin air...is that we are souls...and therefore cannot survive death.

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au1929 wrote:
Frank
I forgot Neo stradles both sides of the fence. If he slips it will pay hell with his crouch. Ooh that smarts. Crying or Very sad
Actually, it is more accurate to say I am trying to destroy the fence. Much more effective than trying to crouch beneath it or destroy my crotch trying to leap over it. Laughing


Neo is no more trying to destroy the fence than he is trying to open his mind. But this bullshyt of his sounded good...so he spewed it. He does lots of that.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 09:10 am
I'll post this one for you again, Frank. You seem to have forgotten it:
http://www.dianahsieh.com/misc/fallacies.html
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 09:16 am
neologist wrote:
I'll post this one for you again, Frank. You seem to have forgotten it:
http://www.dianahsieh.com/misc/fallacies.html


Yeah...when all your arguments have been blown out of the water...do something desparate.

You are a laugh, Neo. I love the fact that you take yourself so seriously.

Keep posting.

I love ya.
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Terry
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 08:52 pm
neologist wrote:
The Hebrews are no longer in a covenant relationship with God.

That the Hebrews (And Christians and Muslims and 'religionarians') continue to slaughter one another is not the fault of God.

Observant Jews are still in the covenant relationship with God laid out in the Old Testament, except for sacrificing animals. What makes you think otherwise?

Since the laws God gave Moses require the slaughter of anyone who threatens their faith, how is it not God's fault that it continues, given that God chose to allow Allah to rule the Muslims instead of sending them his own emissary?
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Terry
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 09:02 pm
Frank, if you want to inhabit the territory you have just conquered, slaughtering all of the adult males is a good way to eliminate the dangers of a successful rebellion, guerrilla warfare and corrupting your people with their religious beliefs.

I think we should try it in Iraq.

Who cares about world opinion when God is on our side?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 09:05 pm
God is on our side? You sure about that? It seems we're the ones who invaded Iraq and ended up killing 100,000 of their people even though they were not a threat to us.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 10:08 pm
Terry wrote:
neologist wrote:
The Hebrews are no longer in a covenant relationship with God.

That the Hebrews (And Christians and Muslims and 'religionarians') continue to slaughter one another is not the fault of God.

Observant Jews are still in the covenant relationship with God laid out in the Old Testament, except for sacrificing animals. What makes you think otherwise?

Since the laws God gave Moses require the slaughter of anyone who threatens their faith, how is it not God's fault that it continues, given that God chose to allow Allah to rule the Muslims instead of sending them his own emissary?
Er, sorry. I meant to give my usual disclaimer:
'If you believe the bible, that is.'
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:48 am
Terry wrote:
Frank, if you want to inhabit the territory you have just conquered, slaughtering all of the adult males is a good way to eliminate the dangers of a successful rebellion, guerrilla warfare and corrupting your people with their religious beliefs.

I think we should try it in Iraq.

Who cares about world opinion when God is on our side?


Ahhhh....finally someone actually responds to the question.

I love it.

Makes one wonder why all these pious Christians haven't suggested the same thing. If they truly love their god as much as they claim...they should be willing to follow its commands.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:51 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
God is on our side? You sure about that? It seems we're the ones who invaded Iraq and ended up killing 100,000 of their people even though they were not a threat to us.



I am sure Terry was being facetious.
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Terry
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 08:13 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
God is on our side? You sure about that? It seems we're the ones who invaded Iraq and ended up killing 100,000 of their people even though they were not a threat to us.

Of course God is on our side. We won, didn't we? Since everything that happens is on accordance with his Will and Plan, he must have wanted us to win.

As Frank said, I am being facetious.

How many virgins and slaves would you like as spoils of war? Just make sure the priests get their percentage first.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 08:58 pm
Hierarchy works fine for me! LOL
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 05:28 am
Terry wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
God is on our side? You sure about that? It seems we're the ones who invaded Iraq and ended up killing 100,000 of their people even though they were not a threat to us.

Of course God is on our side. We won, didn't we? Since everything that happens is on accordance with his Will and Plan, he must have wanted us to win.

As Frank said, I am being facetious.

How many virgins and slaves would you like as spoils of war? Just make sure the priests get their percentage first.


It occurs to me that you gotta wonder about a guy who wants virgins.

I may be an odd-ball...but that is the last thing I want to encounter when I am on the prowl, so to speak.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 03:16 pm
Hey Everyone!

I am in Wallahalla, South Carolina! We stopped at the library to check emails and such.

Gotta tell ya Frank, I had to check to see what you have been up to! I will definitely getting with you on Saturday afternoon sometime after I read all of this thread!

Neo, Intrepid, Tico, Real Life ~ Momma Angel is on her way! I may not know as much as y'all do, but I got the stamina to hang in there with Frank's views!

I miss all of you! See ya Saturday!

Momma Angel
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djbt
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:39 pm
Hey there, new to this thread. First I'll confess I'm an atheist, but genuinely interested in this, and not out to belittle anyone (I'd only make a fool of myself...).

Neologist, am I to understand that your explanation of the appearance of the passage Frank put forward is that the Devil instructed this to Moses, and Moses believed he was speaking the word of God?

If so, are we to trust the ten commandments, or indeed any of the instructions/stories/history of the old testament? How are we to know what is the word of the Devil, and what is the word of God? And why did God not correct Moses on this point? Surely it can be argued that the inclusion of the passage in a book held to be the word of God was likely to lead to unnecessary suffering and death?

It would seem Shakespeare found this kind of thing acceptable in the mouth of a Christian King:

Henvy V wrote:
KING HENRY V
How yet resolves the governor of the town?
This is the latest parle we will admit;
Therefore to our best mercy give yourselves;
Or like to men proud of destruction
Defy us to our worst: for, as I am a soldier,
A name that in my thoughts becomes me best,
If I begin the battery once again,
I will not leave the half-achieved Harfleur
Till in her ashes she lie buried.
The gates of mercy shall be all shut up,
And the flesh'd soldier, rough and hard of heart,
In liberty of bloody hand shall range
With conscience wide as hell, mowing like grass
Your fresh-fair virgins and your flowering infants.
What is it then to me, if impious war,
Array'd in flames like to the prince of fiends,
Do, with his smirch'd complexion, all fell feats
Enlink'd to waste and desolation?
What is't to me, when you yourselves are cause,
If your pure maidens fall into the hand
Of hot and forcing violation?
What rein can hold licentious wickedness
When down the hill he holds his fierce career?
We may as bootless spend our vain command
Upon the enraged soldiers in their spoil
As send precepts to the leviathan
To come ashore. Therefore, you men of Harfleur,
Take pity of your town and of your people,
Whiles yet my soldiers are in my command;
Whiles yet the cool and temperate wind of grace
O'erblows the filthy and contagious clouds
Of heady murder, spoil and villany.
If not, why, in a moment look to see
The blind and bloody soldier with foul hand
Defile the locks of your shrill-shrieking daughters;
Your fathers taken by the silver beards,
And their most reverend heads dash'd to the walls,
Your naked infants spitted upon pikes,
Whiles the mad mothers with their howls confused
Do break the clouds, as did the wives of Jewry
At Herod's bloody-hunting slaughtermen.
What say you? will you yield, and this avoid,
Or, guilty in defence, be thus destroy'd?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:48 pm
Error
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