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Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 12:15 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
The Last Super, of coarse. Wink


What super? And why is it coarse?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 12:35 pm
Intrepid, Your skill is not spelling.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 12:39 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Good one, Frank. I'm also waiting for these christians to show from the bible where god shows his love. They seem to quote verses that has nothing to do with your question. LOL


And after they do that...I wish one or two of them would answer the theme question of this thread:

When we are victorious over an adversary...should we slaughter all the men of the vanquished nation as the good, kind, compassionate, humanity loving god of the Bible directs?


That has been answered ad nauseum but you refuse to accept any answer other than whatever it is you have concocted in your mind.


Ad Nauseum???

There has been, to my memory, one attempt...a contrived, illogical attempt to "answer" it...but certainly it has not been answered ad nauseum. (Perhaps you meant "nauseatingly.")

It actually requires only a "YES" or a "NO."

So...why not do it here again...if you have before, Intrepid.

Should we follow your god's command to slaughter every last male in a vanquished enemy's country and enslave all their women and children...or not?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:01 pm
These religionists think they can make us go on a goose chase all over a2k to find "their answer." ROFLMAO These guys are really good at trying to make us work for answers they don't provide.

They even describe a "yes" or "no" answer as "that has been answered ad nauseum." yuk yuk yuk....that's what happens when they put their faith in a comic book that can't defend itself.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:31 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
snood wrote:
Matthew 4: 1-10

It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand...


The god Jesus worshipped...the god of the Bible...is not even on the scene...so this dosn't work at all.

It is logical thing...you wouldn't understand.


Lemme ask you something there, oh logical bwana...

Do you think there is any such thing as a spirit? And no I'm not talking about what you imbibe in at your local bar.
I mean, do you ever wonder about anything anymore, or is everything in your world defined by what you can or can't prove with deduction and science? Do you ever think there is something that animates life that does not die? When did you become so devoid of wonder? Would it be a less than 'manly' thing for you - to open yourself to the possibility that there may be a spiritual realm?
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Implicator
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:38 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Zephaniah 3:17  The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.


Yeah...I can offer several thousand quotes of people talking about how wonderful and loving the god is. The Bible is full of 'em. Just like the people here are full of 'em.

But I've yet to see any offered where the god of the Bible is actually being kind, compassionate or loving of humanity...and is not threatening, killing, asking others to kill or punishing.

How about furnishing one of them?


Let's start with one example, since you haven't been able to find any yourself. I can give them one after the other, but I will start with this one for now.

Gen. 17:15-16

15 Then God said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.

16 "I will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her Then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."

Gen. 21:1-2

1 Then the LORD took note of Sarah as He had said, and the LORD did for Sarah as He had promised.

2 So Sarah conceived and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the appointed time of which God had spoken to him.


Let me know when you are ready for more examples, the Bible is full of them.

I
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Implicator
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:45 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Good one, Frank. I'm also waiting for these christians to show from the bible where god shows his love. They seem to quote verses that has nothing to do with your question. LOL


And after they do that...I wish one or two of them would answer the theme question of this thread:

When we are victorious over an adversary...should we slaughter all the men of the vanquished nation as the good, kind, compassionate, humanity loving god of the Bible directs?


That has been answered ad nauseum but you refuse to accept any answer other than whatever it is you have concocted in your mind.


Ad Nauseum???

There has been, to my memory, one attempt...a contrived, illogical attempt to "answer" it...but certainly it has not been answered ad nauseum. (Perhaps you meant "nauseatingly.")

It actually requires only a "YES" or a "NO."

So...why not do it here again...if you have before, Intrepid.

Should we follow your god's command to slaughter every last male in a vanquished enemy's country and enslave all their women and children...or not?


Your question suffers from the fallacy of the complex question (i.e. a "loaded" question), in that it assumes something (that God has commanded us to slaughter every last male in a vanquished country), and then proceeds to ask whether we should obey it or not, without first justifying the assumption itself.

It is much like me asking you whether you still beat your wife.

Your question is fallacious, Frank, and therefore does not require an answer until such time as you have justified the unsupported assumption.

Have a ball.

I
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:10 pm
Gee, god even demands his name must be used over that of the husband. What kind of kockamaime demand is that? What would have been the penalty if Abraham chose not to use "Sarah?" Death or burn in hell for eternity?
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Implicator
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:15 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Gee, god even demands his name must be used over that of the husband. What kind of kockamaime demand is that? What would have been the penalty if Abraham chose not to use "Sarah?" Death or burn in hell for eternity?


Seems I answered Frank's question just fine then, at least according to you.

I
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:37 pm
snood wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
snood wrote:
Matthew 4: 1-10

It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand...


The god Jesus worshipped...the god of the Bible...is not even on the scene...so this dosn't work at all.

It is logical thing...you wouldn't understand.


Lemme ask you something there, oh logical bwana...

Do you think there is any such thing as a spirit?


Beats me. I certainly would not rule it out...nor have I ever done so.


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And no I'm not talking about what you imbibe in at your local bar.


I understand what you are talking about.


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I mean, do you ever wonder about anything anymore, or is everything in your world defined by what you can or can't prove with deduction and science?


I wonder about lots of things...and do it often.

I am almost as skeptical about some of the answers science furnishes...as I am about the guesses religion does.


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Do you ever think there is something that animates life that does not die?


Yup.


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When did you become so devoid of wonder?


When did you become so devoid of reason? What makes you so sure I am devoid of wonder?


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Would it be a less than 'manly' thing for you - to open yourself to the possibility that there may be a spiritual realm?


Of course there may be a spiritual realm.

What on earth causes you to suppose I have ruled it out?

What is your major malfunction?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:40 pm
Implicator wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Zephaniah 3:17  The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.


Yeah...I can offer several thousand quotes of people talking about how wonderful and loving the god is. The Bible is full of 'em. Just like the people here are full of 'em.

But I've yet to see any offered where the god of the Bible is actually being kind, compassionate or loving of humanity...and is not threatening, killing, asking others to kill or punishing.

How about furnishing one of them?


Let's start with one example, since you haven't been able to find any yourself. I can give them one after the other, but I will start with this one for now.

Gen. 17:15-16

15 Then God said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.

16 "I will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her Then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."

Gen. 21:1-2

1 Then the LORD took note of Sarah as He had said, and the LORD did for Sarah as He had promised.

2 So Sarah conceived and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the appointed time of which God had spoken to him.


Let me know when you are ready for more examples, the Bible is full of them.

I


Great!

You have furnished the one I have mentioned in many places was in Genesis.

Now...furnish me five more.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:41 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid, Your skill is not spelling.


I only quoted what YOU wrote. If you have noticed my posts, I would say that one of my skills IS spelling. Unfortunately, you have not mastered the English language yet.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:46 pm
Implicator wrote:


Your question suffers from the fallacy of the complex question (i.e. a "loaded" question), in that it assumes something (that God has commanded us to slaughter every last male in a vanquished country), and then proceeds to ask whether we should obey it or not, without first justifying the assumption itself.


Nice try...but no cigar.

My question does not suffer from the fallacy of the complex question...or loaded question.

The passage is quite clear.

Should we obey it or not.


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It is much like me asking you whether you still beat your wife.


It is nothing like that. But I appreciate your attempt to avoid answering.


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Your question is fallacious, Frank, and therefore does not require an answer until such time as you have justified the unsupported assumption.


The question is not fallacious, Implicator...but I can see you are not up to answering it...so I guess we'll just have to do without your input.


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Have a ball.


Life is great! GREAT! Nancy and I will be going out dancing tonight...in about an hour. I played golf this morning. I had three birdies yesterday...and two today. I normally don't get many birdies...and a three birdie day is a rarity...so I am on cloud nine.

I am having a ball, thanks.

You do the same.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
These religionists think they can make us go on a goose chase all over a2k to find "their answer." ROFLMAO These guys are really good at trying to make us work for answers they don't provide.

They even describe a "yes" or "no" answer as "that has been answered ad nauseum." yuk yuk yuk....that's what happens when they put their faith in a comic book that can't defend itself.


Everything is a us and them mentality with you. They, they, they. Why don't you get out from behind Frank's skirt tails and have an original thought instead of following him around like a little puppy dog looking for a bone? These guys? Everything is confontational with you. It is easy to hide behind a keyboard and spew nasty comments about people that you would cower in front of in real life.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:48 pm
Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
These religionists think they can make us go on a goose chase all over a2k to find "their answer." ROFLMAO These guys are really good at trying to make us work for answers they don't provide.

They even describe a "yes" or "no" answer as "that has been answered ad nauseum." yuk yuk yuk....that's what happens when they put their faith in a comic book that can't defend itself.


Everything is a us and them mentality with you. They, they, they. Why don't you get out from behind Frank's skirt tails and have an original thought instead of following him around like a little puppy dog looking for a bone? These guys? Everything is confontational with you. It is easy to hide behind a keyboard and spew nasty comments about people that you would cower in front of in real life.


I don't do cowering. Stop projecting.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:50 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
These religionists think they can make us go on a goose chase all over a2k to find "their answer." ROFLMAO These guys are really good at trying to make us work for answers they don't provide.

They even describe a "yes" or "no" answer as "that has been answered ad nauseum." yuk yuk yuk....that's what happens when they put their faith in a comic book that can't defend itself.


Everything is a us and them mentality with you. They, they, they. Why don't you get out from behind Frank's skirt tails and have an original thought instead of following him around like a little puppy dog looking for a bone? These guys? Everything is confontational with you. It is easy to hide behind a keyboard and spew nasty comments about people that you would cower in front of in real life.


I don't do cowering. Stop projecting.


You really should get your eyes checked, Frank. I was responding to C.I., not you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:53 pm
I've stated often on a2k that my English skills were weak. So what's your point? Repeating what I've said myself tells me what, exactly?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:58 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I've stated often on a2k that my English skills were weak. So what's your point? Repeating what I've said myself tells me what, exactly?


It tells you not to critisize (wrongly) someone else's spelling skills when it is your words that were quoted and your words that were wrong... you posted that my skills were lacking when I only quoted what you wrote.
Shocked
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:58 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
These religionists think they can make us go on a goose chase all over a2k to find "their answer." ROFLMAO These guys are really good at trying to make us work for answers they don't provide.

They even describe a "yes" or "no" answer as "that has been answered ad nauseum." yuk yuk yuk....that's what happens when they put their faith in a comic book that can't defend itself.


Everything is a us and them mentality with you. They, they, they. Why don't you get out from behind Frank's skirt tails and have an original thought instead of following him around like a little puppy dog looking for a bone? These guys? Everything is confontational with you. It is easy to hide behind a keyboard and spew nasty comments about people that you would cower in front of in real life.


I don't do cowering. Stop projecting.


You really should get your eyes checked, Frank. I was responding to C.I., not you.


You really should get your mind checked, Intrepid. Or were you actually calling c.i. "these guys?"
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:59 pm
Oops...before you correct me...I see my error, Intrepid.

I apologize...I was wrong.
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