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Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

 
 
Implicator
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 07:45 pm
snood wrote:
Frank has a talent for inciting those. He gets in them with half a dozen people on a regular basis. What he thinks is passing for urbane and personable looks to anyone paying attention like just garden variety self absorption and aged sourness. Implicator tried for a very long time, when he first started posting, not to descend to Apisa's level, but Apisa insisted. After he muddies you and gets off the slimiest low blow (in my case he got racial), he then starts whining as if he's the wronged party - as if all those he has p*ssing contests with just don't know how to argue with someone so smart.

He tries to characterize me as someone who "can't get him from under my skin". I see it differently. I think I rightly recoil at the stench Apisa brings to this forum. I will always tell him and you other dear readers just exactly how I see his pitiable, bellybutton-gazing pap.


I agree with your characterization of Frank, unfortunately. I had hoped to have a decent, emotion-free conversation with him (he and I actually had the beginnings of such when last I met him), but it didn't work out that way this time.

Just as soon as he finally realized the tack I was taking with him, he became all uppity and such. He has dodged answering most of my questions, and when I press him to "finish it off" as he boasted of earlier, he has suddenly decided to wait for me to respond to his initial post.

And now he pulls out the condescending tone, as if using it somehow makes his arguments sound more convincing than they really are.

I'm not much for talking *about* people to others (as Frank seems to relish), but in this case I am making a special exception for him. Smile

I
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Implicator
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 07:57 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Implicator wrote:

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That's pathetic, Frank.

Obviously what I was "thinking" was that you were correct in your assertion. What you took issue with was obviously my "thought" that this would all be over soon. If I had said "I think Frank is extremely bright", you would not have responded with "perhaps you ought to stay away from thinking." And so it was what I was thinking that you took issue with, not the fact that I *was* thinking. And we all know what I was thinking - something you yourself asserted.


I said what I had to say...and you can use it for as long as you want in this silly stalling tactic.

I actually enjoy your tantrums....so please do not stop throwing them due to anything I am saying.


Well, if you enjoy having your own words served up to you on a plate, then have at it. And there's no tantrum here, of course - that's just a silly attempt to cast a negative light on my comments.


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You shot yourself in the foot ... best go and stop the bleeding.


I have not shot myself in the foot...or anywhere else, Implicator. So stop with the "I am declaring victory" speeches.


That's rather ironic, coming from you.


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And at some point, you will have to stop the stalling also.


Your perception misses the mark once again.


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You do remember that you have a posting due that will accept the challenge I posed in my opening comments...don't you?


More irony ... you gotta love it.

I
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 08:05 pm
Implicator wrote:
snood wrote:
Frank has a talent for inciting those. He gets in them with half a dozen people on a regular basis. What he thinks is passing for urbane and personable looks to anyone paying attention like just garden variety self absorption and aged sourness. Implicator tried for a very long time, when he first started posting, not to descend to Apisa's level, but Apisa insisted. After he muddies you and gets off the slimiest low blow (in my case he got racial), he then starts whining as if he's the wronged party - as if all those he has p*ssing contests with just don't know how to argue with someone so smart.

He tries to characterize me as someone who "can't get him from under my skin". I see it differently. I think I rightly recoil at the stench Apisa brings to this forum. I will always tell him and you other dear readers just exactly how I see his pitiable, bellybutton-gazing pap.


I agree with your characterization of Frank, unfortunately. I had hoped to have a decent, emotion-free conversation with him (he and I actually had the beginnings of such when last I met him), but it didn't work out that way this time.

Just as soon as he finally realized the tack I was taking with him, he became all uppity and such. He has dodged answering most of my questions, and when I press him to "finish it off" as he boasted of earlier, he has suddenly decided to wait for me to respond to his initial post.

And now he pulls out the condescending tone, as if using it somehow makes his arguments sound more convincing than they really are.

I'm not much for talking *about* people to others (as Frank seems to relish), but in this case I am making a special exception for him. Smile

I


Welcome to Frank's world Exclamation
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Implicator
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 08:11 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Implicator wrote:
snood wrote:
Frank has a talent for inciting those. He gets in them with half a dozen people on a regular basis. What he thinks is passing for urbane and personable looks to anyone paying attention like just garden variety self absorption and aged sourness. Implicator tried for a very long time, when he first started posting, not to descend to Apisa's level, but Apisa insisted. After he muddies you and gets off the slimiest low blow (in my case he got racial), he then starts whining as if he's the wronged party - as if all those he has p*ssing contests with just don't know how to argue with someone so smart.

He tries to characterize me as someone who "can't get him from under my skin". I see it differently. I think I rightly recoil at the stench Apisa brings to this forum. I will always tell him and you other dear readers just exactly how I see his pitiable, bellybutton-gazing pap.


I agree with your characterization of Frank, unfortunately. I had hoped to have a decent, emotion-free conversation with him (he and I actually had the beginnings of such when last I met him), but it didn't work out that way this time.

Just as soon as he finally realized the tack I was taking with him, he became all uppity and such. He has dodged answering most of my questions, and when I press him to "finish it off" as he boasted of earlier, he has suddenly decided to wait for me to respond to his initial post.

And now he pulls out the condescending tone, as if using it somehow makes his arguments sound more convincing than they really are.

I'm not much for talking *about* people to others (as Frank seems to relish), but in this case I am making a special exception for him. Smile

I


Welcome to Frank's world Exclamation


Is that what this is to him, do you think? Is it his own little domain, in his own mind?

I
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 03:39 am
snood wrote:
Frank has a talent for inciting those. He gets in them with half a dozen people on a regular basis. What he thinks is passing for urbane and personable looks to anyone paying attention like just garden variety self absorption and aged sourness. Implicator tried for a very long time, when he first started posting, not to descend to Apisa's level, but Apisa insisted. After he muddies you and gets off the slimiest low blow (in my case he got racial), he then starts whining as if he's the wronged party - as if all those he has p*ssing contests with just don't know how to argue with someone so smart.

He tries to characterize me as someone who "can't get him from under my skin". I see it differently. I think I rightly recoil at the stench Apisa brings to this forum. I will always tell him and you other dear readers just exactly how I see his pitiable, bellybutton-gazing pap.


And Snood...who almost never contributes anything to any thread...continues to comment on the smell of others....apparently unaware that one cannot smell anything over a computer...and the stench of which he speaks must come from himself.

Take a shower once in a while, Snood.

Maybe the problem will clear up.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:26 am
Oooh, you hadda dig deep for that one, huh gramps? Man, don't know how I'm gonna recover from that stinging bit of unique wit! You must not be feeling well, huh ole guy?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:35 am
Snood: Why don't you shut Frank up by posting here the references from Holy Writ which show Almighty God to be the loving, caring protector of the Universe? List just some of the sweetest things He has spoken unto his followers and let Frank stew over those revelations.

That will show him and all of us how very wrong Frank is.

Joe(holding my breath)Nation
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:46 am
Joe Nation wrote:
Snood: Why don't you shut Frank up by posting here the references from Holy Writ which show Almighty God to be the loving, caring protector of the Universe? List just some of the sweetest things He has spoken unto his followers and let Frank stew over those revelations.

That will show him and all of us how very wrong Frank is.

Joe(holding my breath)Nation


Don't hold your breath too long Joe, you could wake up dead. And as for "proving Frank wrong", that's unnecessary, because his agnostic opinion or any of his ideas aren't what make him wrong. He thrives on the discord he stirs up with his incessant juvenile "your-god-sux-prove-me-wrong" broken record.
What makes him wrong is a deep hatred of people who are content in their faith that he can't disguise, and a stupid insistence that constantly ridiculing them and their God is some brilliant method of stirring up insightful exchanges. I will only engage him in areas and in ways that he is capable of understanding - ridicule, complete disrespect,; dismissal.

And you do yourself a disservice by carrying his water - you could do better.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:05 am
Yeah, but still no references for me to look at see how wonderful and loving God is.

Even the one where He gives up his own Son for the love of the world is about death and blood, but you are content to base your philosophy on such gore as this...

If someone who had never read the Bible wanted to know what kind of God Almighty is God Almighty, to what page would you have them turn to find the loving God, and not the angry, vengeant, cruel lout Frank makes him out to be? Where is the Love?

Joe(Is it a fig newton of your imagination?)Nation
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:27 am
Matthew 4: 1-10

It's a religious thing - you wouldn't understand...
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:27 am
Matthew 4: 1-10

It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand...
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 07:07 am
Zephaniah 3:17  The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 08:34 am
Intrepid wrote:
Zephaniah 3:17  The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.


Yeah...I can offer several thousand quotes of people talking about how wonderful and loving the god is. The Bible is full of 'em. Just like the people here are full of 'em.

But I've yet to see any offered where the god of the Bible is actually being kind, compassionate or loving of humanity...and is not threatening, killing, asking others to kill or punishing.

How about furnishing one of them?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 08:36 am
snood wrote:
Matthew 4: 1-10

It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand...


The god Jesus worshipped...the god of the Bible...is not even on the scene...so this dosn't work at all.

It is logical thing...you wouldn't understand.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 11:21 am
Good one, Frank. I'm also waiting for these christians to show from the bible where god shows his love. They seem to quote verses that has nothing to do with your question. LOL
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 11:32 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Good one, Frank. I'm also waiting for these christians to show from the bible where god shows his love. They seem to quote verses that has nothing to do with your question. LOL


And after they do that...I wish one or two of them would answer the theme question of this thread:

When we are victorious over an adversary...should we slaughter all the men of the vanquished nation as the good, kind, compassionate, humanity loving god of the Bible directs?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 11:41 am
Good follow-up question. I'll be looking forward to their response.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 11:49 am
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It's a spiritual thing - you wouldn't understand...

You haven't a clue about what roads I've traveled to get here.

I don't see how the Jesus tempted verses fit the question Frank asked. Should he repeat it again?

I liked the verse Intrepid brought though it is about future actions rather than the present active.

Jesus did a lot of nice things for folks, He's a lot nicer than his split personality Father. The Son healed the sick, he even let the old woman do it herself by touching his garment, he saved the guys in the boat. Remember? There was a big storm and the Apostles were scared to death and Jesus was sleeping in the bottom of the boat. Peter woke him up and Christ was like oh=for=chrisakes, calm down.... and he calmed the sea, but the Old Man was a worry for everyone. Always smiting somebody, or scaring the bejesus out of them. You've got to wonder if Christ wasn't trying to compensate for the Old Man's bad attitude, the problem comes when the present day followers of Christ look past Him to the Old Man for guidance.

You've got a State Senator down in Mississippi saying that Katrina is God's punishment for the Gulf Coast's evil ways. Maybe it is, it sure fits His Old Testament M.O. but Jesus smiting the South? Nah.

So that's the confusion. God the Father is the one with the bad attitude when things don't go his way, Jesus is the co-dependent Son, backing up his Father, but trying very hard not to engender any hard feelings. It gets wound up and mixed up, the believer in Louisiana says to my cousin "Why did God let this happen to me?" He didn't let it happen, according to the guy in Mississippi, He made it happen. Just like all those times in the OT. Now where are the good times made by God??

Oh wait. I just thought of one. See if you think of it.

Joe(watch your back)Nation
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 12:02 pm
The Last Super, of coarse. Wink
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 12:14 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Good one, Frank. I'm also waiting for these christians to show from the bible where god shows his love. They seem to quote verses that has nothing to do with your question. LOL


And after they do that...I wish one or two of them would answer the theme question of this thread:

When we are victorious over an adversary...should we slaughter all the men of the vanquished nation as the good, kind, compassionate, humanity loving god of the Bible directs?


That has been answered ad nauseum but you refuse to accept any answer other than whatever it is you have concocted in your mind.
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