Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

Phoenix,

Again, I apologize. I edited that post to reflect that it was a quote from Mesquite and not you. Embarrassed

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Several countries have already made laws legallizing gay marriage. I wonder why the christians in those countries have a different take on the bible god over the American christians?

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Several countries have already made laws legallizing gay marriage. I wonder why the christians in those countries have a different take on the bible god over the American christians?

Most likely they believe as you seem to. That's it is ok to make a sin legal.

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Okay, your god okays slavery and killing, but homosexuality is a sin. Where's the logic?

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slkshock7 wrote:

Frank,

I said support with passages that indicate God is not on the scene or that God is not active in the verse.

You've yet to provide a single passage supporting your argument!!! Come on, I expected more of you than repeated opinion.

slkshock7 wrote:

Frank,

I said support with passages that indicate God is not on the scene or that God is not active in the verse.

I have. Read my post.

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You've yet to provide a single passage supporting your argument!!! Come on, I expected more of you than repeated opinion.

What are you saying???

Are you saying that I should provide passages that say your god is not on the scene in the passages you provided???

How can anyone do that...and why would a serious person even suggest such a thing?

The god is not on the scene in those passages...and if anything, most of those passages speak of the kind of killing that I mentioned.

Let me take the three you just posted:

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Jud 15:19
But God split the hollow place that is in Lehi so that water came out of it. When he drank, his strength returned and he revived . Therefore * he named * it En-hakkore, which is in Lehi to this day.

There is absolutely no indication that the god is on the scene...but beyond that...we are in the midst of absolute carnage in the name of the god. Over a thousand men died in the passages immediately preceding this particular line...in what Samson says was done as a servant of that god. The god is being thanked for the "great victory"...which includes the carnage. And supposedly...some water comes on the scene for Sampson to drink...as a result of his prayers.

How the hell does this show love for humanity? How the hell can you suggest that there is not killing being done in the name of the god? What are you thinking about?

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Ge 25:21
Isaac prayed to the LORD on behalf of his wife, because she was barren; and the LORD answered him and Rebekah his wife conceived

A woman got pregnant...and the narrator is saying that "god" did it. C'mon, Shock. The god is not on the scene. A woman got pregnant. And the god is being thanked for it.

In any case...how can you possibly suggest that allowing a woman to become pregnant possibly shows great love for humanity?

And since this line is a part of the Esau/Jacob fiasco...and all the crap that ensued for the two camps as a result...it truly is not free of the "asking others to kill" bit.

But I will grant you this is close.

Pity that a Christian, however, is reduced to showing something like this as an example of the great love the god of the Bible shows for humanity.

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Da 6:22
"My God sent His angel and shut the lions' mouths and they have not harmed me, inasmuch * * as I was found innocent before Him; and also toward you, O king, I have committed no crime."

This specifically mentions that the god is not on the scene. How can you possibly suggest the god is here...when it says that the god is not there...but had sent a messenger?

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husker wrote:

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I have challenged every Christian (they claim the god is kind, compassionate, and loving of humankind) to offer passages that show their god to be possessed of those qualities rather than the qualities I say it displays. I've asked all of them to offer passages where the god is on the scene and is not threatening someone, killing someone, finding fault with someone, or asking someone to kill others.

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Mark 12:30-31 (New International Version)

30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[a] 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'There is no commandment greater than these

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Matthew 5:43-46
Love for Enemies
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

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Luke 6:27
Love for Enemies
27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

Try to pay attention, Husker.

The god of the Bible...the god Jesus worshipped...has to be on the scene...and not killing, asking others to kill, punishing, or threatening.

None of the passages you offered have the god of the Bible...the god Jesus worshipped....on the scene.

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If jesus is god, what good is jesus' prayers?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Phoenix, it is not I who dictates how anyone lives their life. It is God who has set forth the laws. If you don't like or believe in those laws, then that is your right. And, as long as YOU are willing to accept the consequences for YOUR actions, more power to you.

But as long as MAN wants what MAN wants and not what God wants, we are doomed, and you are just further proving my position.

Doggone it, Phoenix...why can't you get it through your thick skull that it is MA's god who sets forth the laws.

You should be considering them...and picking and choosing which you want to honor...just like MA and the rest of these Christians are doing.

I just don't know what the heck is the matter with you....being so stone-headed! Twisted Evil

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cicerone imposter wrote:

If jesus is god, what good is jesus' prayers?

I am sure even Husker will not try to assert that Jesus...was the god Jesus worshipped.

At least, I hope not. Twisted Evil

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Okay, your god okays slavery and killing, but homosexuality is a sin. Where's the logic?

Hmmm. Seems to me, one of the Ten Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Do you have a New Testament? Might be a good idea to read it.

It was common for people to have slaves in Biblical times, yes. But, I have also stated before that Christians that did have slaves treated the slaves as family and not as you are implying.

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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If jesus is god, what good is jesus' prayers?

You obviously do not understand the concept of the Trinity. This too, was also explained earlier.

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Hey, Frank, do you MA and the other christians will make an effort to legalize slavery again - since that's god's will? Maybe, they'll start with stoning unbelievers.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Okay, your god okays slavery and killing, but homosexuality is a sin. Where's the logic?

Hmmm. Seems to me, one of the Ten Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Do you have a New Testament? Might be a good idea to read it.

It was common for people to have slaves in Biblical times, yes. But, I have also stated before that Christians that did have slaves treated the slaves as family and not as you are implying.

First of all...that bit about treating slaves as family is pure fiction. Slaves are slaves...they can be bought, sold, traded, slave families separated at the whim of an owner, they are beaten and forced to do all the crap work. To dare compare slavery anywhere/anytime with a family setting is denial on a scale seldom seen even here among the Christian apologists.

It is pure baloney.

In any case, one thing MA is not mentioning, ci, is that the god she worships told the Hebrews they could buy, sell, and own slaves....

...while they were trekking through the desert...supposedly just fresh out of slavery bondange themselves. They had no slaves at the time...supposedly they were fresh out of slavery themselves...

...the god could have used the opportunity to lecture them on the evils of such a disgusting process...but instead, simply said, "Oh, don't worry about it. Own all the slaves you want. Nothing wrong with that. But if you find two men who are sexually attracted to one another...stone them to death. Such disgusting behavior offends me."

What a pitiful god.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Several countries have already made laws legallizing gay marriage. I wonder why the christians in those countries have a different take on the bible god over the American christians?

Have you considered that since the law is alread enacted, the "Christians" are obeying the law? People do not lobby their opinions once the law is in place. A Christian has a duty to obey the laws of the land while adhering to God's laws.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Hey, Frank, do you MA and the other christians will make an effort to legalize slavery again - since that's god's will? Maybe, they'll start with stoning unbelievers.

You would think at some point...one or two of 'em would give up the ghost on this and simply acknowledge that more than likely...this passage is not from any god...not even the pitiful, barbaric god of the Bible.

The best guess that can be made about it is that it is something that ancient Hebrews thought was okay...and they simply put those words into the mouth of a god they invented.

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Hey, Frank, do you MA and the other christians will make an effort to legalize slavery again - since that's god's will? Maybe, they'll start with stoning unbelievers.

Careful C.I., one might think you are making fun of Christian beliefs again, and after such a nice, sincere, heartfelt apology. (And yes, that is a bit of sarcasm on my part. I will not deny that.)

But, I forgive you. I will pray for you that you may find wisdom and understanding.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Hey, Frank, do you MA and the other christians will make an effort to legalize slavery again - since that's god's will? Maybe, they'll start with stoning unbelievers.

Are you volunteering?
:wink:

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Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Several countries have already made laws legallizing gay marriage. I wonder why the christians in those countries have a different take on the bible god over the American christians?

Have you considered that since the law is alread enacted, the "Christians" are obeying the law? People do not lobby their opinions once the law is in place. A Christian has a duty to obey the laws of the land while adhering to God's laws.

Okay...

...so "god's law" is that anyone caught engaging in homosexual paractices should be stoned to death.

Do you adhere to "god's law"...or to the law of the land?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Hey, Frank, do you MA and the other christians will make an effort to legalize slavery again - since that's god's will? Maybe, they'll start with stoning unbelievers.

You would think at some point...one or two of 'em would give up the ghost on this and simply acknowledge that more than likely...this passage is not from any god...not even the pitiful, barbaric god of the Bible.

The best guess that can be made about it is that it is something that ancient Hebrews thought was okay...and they simply put those words into the mouth of a god they invented.

You are an expert at guessing, aren't you Frank.

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Intrepid Wrote:

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Are you volunteering?

This too, was my first thought!

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Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Hey, Frank, do you MA and the other christians will make an effort to legalize slavery again - since that's god's will? Maybe, they'll start with stoning unbelievers.

You would think at some point...one or two of 'em would give up the ghost on this and simply acknowledge that more than likely...this passage is not from any god...not even the pitiful, barbaric god of the Bible.

The best guess that can be made about it is that it is something that ancient Hebrews thought was okay...and they simply put those words into the mouth of a god they invented.

You are an expert at guessing, aren't you Frank.

Great retort, Intrepid. Did you have help with it...or did you think it up by yourself?

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