Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

Loandoc,You can point out anything in the bible to support your position and Frank will twist and distort it so that it seems you are the twisting and distorting.

Everyone seems to be missing the whole point. The whole thing is God set forth laws and they were broken. You break the law you suffer the consequences. Not so different from today?

Momma Angel wrote:

But, since the city was destroyed, I would say there weren't ten so the odds are, there weren't any.

That would make it easier to justify wouldn't it? However that is not how the story goes. God was perfectly willing to destroy the cities if ten were not found.

A rational person might look at that story and wonder what percentage of the population would be children. Large families were the norm in those days. They might wonder if children, even down to and including infants, could be considered wicked and unrighteous? They might wonder how a god that would destroy innocent children out of anger could be considered a loving and merciful god?

A rational person might look at that story and wonder what was the point of including the part about turning Lot's wife into a pillar of salt just because she looked back at what had been her home for all of her life?

A rational person might conclude that there was NO moral lesson to be learned from that story, but that it was designed to merely instill fear to keep the flock from straying.

A rational person might look at that story and conclude that such a god deserves all of the adjectives that Frank so aptly attributes to him.

I just don't want to see him (and some of his cronies) start an attack on someone new to the discussion.

Momma Angel

Frank doesn't twist and distort the bible. The bible does a yeomans job of doing it's own twisting and distorting. Frank is also open to debate; he's not open to misinterpretations, side-stepping questions, and to proselytize from the bible. All we seek are straight answers to questions asked.

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Frank doesn't twist and distort the bible. The bible does a yeomans job of doing it's own twisting and distorting. Frank is also open to debate; he's not open to misinterpretations, side-stepping questions, and to proselytize from the bible. All we seek are straight answers to questions asked.

I, myself, have offered Frank straight answers to his questions asked. He has yet to accept them. He is not open to any interpretation other than his, in my opinion.

Frank doesn't even believe the Bible is true and yet he will try to use it to prove his point, which is just so totally illogical to me.

ooohhhhh cic i picked the wrong word out of spell check, lets forget the rest of the message and focus on that!
real strong brother!

If Frank can't use the bible to argue his points, what, praytell, should he use to defend his points?

cicerone imposter wrote:

If Frank can't use the bible to argue his points, what, praytell, should he use to defend his points?

The fact that you said "praytell" is encouraging. If you think that Frank is so right, why does he have to defend anything.

Intolerance by christians is what offends us most. Christians would deny gays and lesbians "marriage" and equal treatment under the laws of this country. The intolerance of the christian president denies our country the ability to further stem cell research, because of his chrisitan beliefs. This christian president tried to impose his belief on the Teri Schiavo case. Christian intolerance is also seen by their trying to change Roe vs Wade to take away a woman's right to her own body. Intolerance voiced by christians is an oxymoron; they continue to impose their christian beliefs on everybody including non-christians. That's the height of intolerance. Christians are not only intolerant, but homophobic and does everything to deny human rights to individuals irregardless of their religion. They have the gall to say they love gays and lesbians. What a bunch of crock!

Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

If Frank can't use the bible to argue his points, what, praytell, should he use to defend his points?

The fact that you said "praytell" is encouraging. If you think that Frank is so right, why does he have to defend anything.

Oh...you didn't realize that this is an Internet forum devoted to expressing views and defending them???????

C'mon, Intrepid. We all expect better than this from you.

well, i had no idea what i stumbled onto here, thanks for cathching that intrepid, nice to meet you MA and snood God bless you guys, frank i don't know what to say except what i said to my self when i sent the last message, and thats check and check mate....for the rest of the clowns playing cheer leaderds, i must hold true to my motto.