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Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 05:51 pm
"There we go again. "Us Christians" state our beliefs and are accused of imposing them on you "non-believers, agnostics, etc.""

When you disallow equal rights for gays and lesbians, and try to overturn Roe vs Wade, you're doing much more than "stating beliefs." You're making every effort to impose your beliefs to all of us. If you can't understand this simple concept, your basis for argument is not worth the space you take up.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 05:52 pm
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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"I have friends that are gay and lesbian. I do not agree with their lifestyle but I do not treat them disrespectfully because of what they do. And, I try very hard not to be disrespectful to those of you who disagree with what I believe."

It's nice that you have gay and lesbian friends while you and your comrades make every attempt to deny them equal rights. Yeah, makes a whole lot of sense. That's the epitome of disrespect.


I have friends that tell lies. I have friends that have stolen, etc. Do you suggest that I just look for perfect friends? I can hate the sin and love the sinner. And, just as a matter of point, my friends that are gay and lesbian know exactly how I feel and yet, they seem to have no problem with me. I also have a friend that is Jewish. We never argue about our different beliefs. We calmly discuss them and both respect each other's rights to believe what we believe. It is their right to lobby for rights for same sex marriage just as it is my right to lobby against it. If they don't have a problem with me about it, I sure don't get why you should.

How quick you are to jump on anything you can misconstrue.

If you want to call stating what I believe over and over again imposing then I suggest you also look at yourself. Don't you do the same thing?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 05:55 pm
"...and they seem to have no problems with me."

They have better humanity skills than you do. And what the fxxx the having Jewish friends have to do with anything?
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 05:56 pm
Mesquite:
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I think I may have just been called a crony, but I take it as a complement. Anyhow theloandoc, If you pay attention what you will see is Frank and his "cronies" trying to engage in a discussion of the Bible whilst MA and her compadres try to whisk away thousands of years of Old Testament scripture as if it no longer applies
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Well, uh, the thing is... to Christians, the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore. That's a huge part of the basis of their belief in the significance of Jesus' life.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:01 pm
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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They have better humanity skills than you do. And what the fxxx the having Jewish friends have to do with anything?


It has everything to do with it. Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Savior. Jews believe he was just a prophet and not the savior.

Should we call you Frank, Jr. now that you are taking to throwing out barbs like "they have better humanity skills than you do"?

I have not treated you with any disrespect and I do not appreciate you treating me that way. The worse thing I have said to you is how quick you are to misconstrue.

Snood, thank you for pointing that out. Laughing
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:02 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...and they seem to have no problems with me."

They have better humanity skills than you do. And what the fxxx the having Jewish friends have to do with anything?


Are you an shining example of humanity? Stop the world and let me off.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:04 pm
Intrepid, Jump off any time - soon. You won't be missed.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:07 pm
"Humanity - The huane quality or action. The quality of being humane; benevolence; kindness; mercy."

When you religious bigots begin to show some humanity towards gays and lesbians by fighting for their equal rights, that would be a wonderful beginning.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:08 pm
Don't you think the right thing for all of us to do here would be to stop, take a deep breath, and reassess?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:10 pm
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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"Humanity - The huane quality or action. The quality of being humane; benevolence; kindness; mercy."

When you religious bigots begin to show some humanity towards gays and lesbians by fighting for their equal rights, that would be a wonderful beginning.


Shocked Excuse me, but who is imposing what on whom here? It won't be okay until us "religious bigots" join forces with you?

Is that what you are saying? Please tell me I am reading that incorrectly.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:13 pm
When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:22 pm
Yes, join forces to fight for equal rights for all Americans. Don't try to impose christian relgious beliefs on all Americans. Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:29 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Humanity - The huane quality or action. The quality of being humane; benevolence; kindness; mercy."

When you religious bigots begin to show some humanity towards gays and lesbians by fighting for their equal rights, that would be a wonderful beginning.


Exactly what are you doing to fight for their rights? Other than your nonsense on here. I probably have more empathy for the people that you refer to as gays and lesbians than you do. They are people...your labels don't help the situation.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:31 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.


You are under a great delusion here. We are not trying to impose anything on you. The voices must be telling you that.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:32 pm
Cicerone Imposter:

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When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.


Well, may I suggest then if you don't want to hear about our Christian beliefs that you do not engage in the threads concerning Spirituality & Religion?

It seems to me that you think it is perfectly all right to state what you do and do not believe but "us Christians" are not afforded the same right?

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Yes, join forces to fight for equal rights for all Americans. Don't try to impose christian religious beliefs on all Americans. Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.


You seem to forget that our country was founded on Christian beliefs. And so religious freedom for you would mean that I don't have the right to voice my religious beliefs?

I want prayer in school and let's say you don't, so that means I shouldn't be able to do it?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:34 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid, Jump off any time - soon. You won't be missed.


Do you have any prefereance or suggestion for this jumping off spot?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:58 pm
snood wrote:
Mesquite:
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I think I may have just been called a crony, but I take it as a complement. Anyhow theloandoc, If you pay attention what you will see is Frank and his "cronies" trying to engage in a discussion of the Bible whilst MA and her compadres try to whisk away thousands of years of Old Testament scripture as if it no longer applies
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Well, uh, the thing is... to Christians, the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore. That's a huge part of the basis of their belief in the significance of Jesus' life.


I'll bet this comes as news to all the Southern Baptists, the folks down at the Church of Christ, the students at Oral Roberts University and the cast and crew of the 700 Club. Not to mention several other million believers.

The thing is..... modern Christian churchs and their followers like to pick and choose what is stressed as Biblical truth and what is stamped "no longer applies".
So slavery, once okay, is now a no-no, but man on man love still gets the thumbs-down,
you can sit down to a nice lobster dinner even though Leviticus says "thou shalt not eat that crawleth on the floor of the sea'',
Mama Angel says we don't have to kill all the men in a defeated city any more, that's good,
but we all still have Original Sin on our souls at birth,
and I once had a fascinating evening listening to a preacher,
feel the love,
scream that the enemies of the Lord must be smitten down as proclaimed 'an eye for an eye.'

What would Jesus do?


And the whole 'life begins at conception' belief is contained in neither the Old or the New Testament, it is a construct first offered up in the late 1880's when the first successful birth control devices began to arrive.
Gotta nip that sort of freedom in the bud.


Joe(Pick and choose, one from column A and two from column B)Nation
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 07:13 pm
snood wrote:
Mesquite:
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I think I may have just been called a crony, but I take it as a complement. Anyhow theloandoc, If you pay attention what you will see is Frank and his "cronies" trying to engage in a discussion of the Bible whilst MA and her compadres try to whisk away thousands of years of Old Testament scripture as if it no longer applies
.


Well, uh, the thing is... to Christians, the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore. That's a huge part of the basis of their belief in the significance of Jesus' life.


And the only thing that makes that illogical....is that Jesus said he was not here to change the Old Testament....the law.

But what the hell does it matter what Jesus said to a Christian.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 07:17 pm
Joe Nation Wrote:

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I'll bet this comes as news to all the Southern Baptists, the folks down at the Church of Christ, the students at Oral Roberts University and the cast and crew of the 700 Club. Not to mention several other million believers.

The thing is..... modern Christian churchs and their followers like to pick and choose what is stressed as Biblical truth and what is stamped "no longer applies".
So slavery, once okay, is now a no-no, but man on man love still gets the thumbs-down,
you can sit down to a nice lobster dinner even though Leviticus says "thou shalt not eat that crawleth on the floor of the sea'',
Mama Angel says we don't have to kill all the men in a defeated city any more, that's good,
but we all still have Original Sin on our souls at birth,
and I once had a fascinating evening listening to a preacher,
feel the love,
scream that the enemies of the Lord must be smitten down as proclaimed 'an eye for an eye.'

What would Jesus do?


And the whole 'life begins at conception' belief is contained in neither the Old or the New Testament, it is a construct first offered up in the late 1880's when the first successful birth control devices began to arrive.
Gotta nip that sort of freedom in the bud.


The Old Testament is viewed more as a history book. Once Christ came into the picture we follow the "What would Jesus do?" philosophy.

Things like not eating creatures that walk on the sea floor were more for discipline than anything else.

Christians believe in life begins at conception because we believe conception itself is a miracle.

And why is it that the only preachers (it seems) who use the fire and brimstone method are pointed out? What about the preachers that preach the beatitudes? What about the ones that preach the gospel? It seems non-Christians have a hard time finding anything at all good to say about Christianity.

We are constantly accused of picking and choosing what we take as symbolic and what we take as literal in the bible. It seems to me that once a non-believer gets hold of something in the bible they do not agree with, they latch onto it like a pit bull. The law Jesus was talking about is the "do unto others" law. He was asked what the greatest law was and He said to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He was not speaking of every single law written down in the bible.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 07:17 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Cicerone Imposter:

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When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.


Well, may I suggest then if you don't want to hear about our Christian beliefs that you do not engage in the threads concerning Spirituality & Religion?

It seems to me that you think it is perfectly all right to state what you do and do not believe but "us Christians" are not afforded the same right?

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Yes, join forces to fight for equal rights for all Americans. Don't try to impose christian religious beliefs on all Americans. Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.


You seem to forget that our country was founded on Christian beliefs. And so religious freedom for you would mean that I don't have the right to voice my religious beliefs?

I want prayer in school and let's say you don't, so that means I shouldn't be able to do it?


Well...Jesus said that it was not seemly to pray in public. He suggested going to your room and shutting the door...so the only one knowing you were praying...would be god.

But what the hell does it matter to a Christian what Jesus said.
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