Why is only one side of this story published?

@izzythepush,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

Vikdum Quisling inspired a term. They weren't a "group" (there's no Quisling club or party) they were individuals who behaved like the original Quisling.

I love my country, despite you accusing me of betraying it. The people who want to plunge us into war hate my country, and I hate them.
That wouldn't be "Russia" that would be a number of stuffed shirt "American" politicians.

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@hightor,

You fancy yourself as civilized, but there is actually nothing less civilized than quietly disappearing people who don't agree. "Left the forum" you say. It's called being banned.

It is fine not to agree, and we don't all have to sit at a tea party and come to compromises with the obviously more enlightened and civilized left. Oh wait, the same left that would come into people's houses at 4am and drag them off. The same left that in America burns buildings and cars when some random punk kid dies and they think a cop was a bit rough with him.

You'll excuse me if I don't meet you halfway. I guess I'm not civilized like such people are. Meanwhile, I've never been involved in a violent protest, and I won't be. So I believe in flat Earth and the Bible. I suppose that's proof that I'm "violent reality denier."

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@bulmabriefs144,

You love Putin which is why you started this pro Putin thread.

It must be like a load of Sandy Hooks for someone like you.

You're not smart enough to pull this off.

Really stupid people think they're geniuses because they do not understand how complex life is. If you were just a little bit smarter you'd realise you were an idiot.

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@bulmabriefs144,

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It's called being banned.

Neither of the members in the two examples I alluded to were "banned". People who have been banned have histories of repeated violations of the site rules and persisted in such behavior despite repeated warnings.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Actually it's called a singular narrative.

Amazon has both **** Joe Biden (btw also Let's Go Brandon) and anti-Trump t-shirts, mugs, and hats. You want a Make America Great Again hat? No problem, we got it. You want a Build Back Better hat? We got that too!

Commercialism is politically neutral. This is... strangely lacking in opposition.

Nope commercialism. Commercialism is not politically neutral; it goes where the money is. Not too many "**** the USA" shirts sold in the US. You are saying that there are plenty of people who want to make a buck with anti-Ukraine material, but some mysterious force is stopping them. An extraordinary claim like that requires some proof.

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

There should be money to be made from people in favor of Russia invading Ukraine. But it's almost like the world leaders have decided no business goes to Russia. Ukraine's a member of NATO, and that's that!

Put out your own merchandise! You could make a fortune. Just to be clear, NATO has been saying Ukraine is not a member of NATO and had no intention of accepting them. If Ukraine was a NATO member, this war would be completely different.

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

No, Ukraine is a buffer state that has just allied with Russia's enemies.

Who declared Ukraine a "buffer state"? Kiev was a thriving city 1000 years before the founding of Moscow. Where else in the world are countries declared "buffer states" and the rights of their people to self-determination removed by their neighbors? Is Finland a "buffer state"? How about Estonia and Latvia (who are NATO members)? And prior to this conflict, who were Russia's "enemies"? All those countries buying their resources and investing in their country? Russia is making enemies, not protecting itself. You are repeating Russian talking points without any understanding of what they are actually saying.

But if you really want your "**** Ukraine" shirt, just go have one made. It's not that hard.

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@engineer,

Here, have a Let's Go Brandon mug.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/414sKKOj5IL._AC_.jpg

Or What Happened by Hillary.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/512YsNInolL.jpg

Or What Really Happened by Trump supporters

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51d2OlpseSL._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_FMwebp_.jpg

Or a Make America Great Again hat.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61-UFS1KcCL._AC_UX679_.jpg

Or one that says Build Back Better.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61QLCx9C7vL._AC_UX522_.jpg

Commercialism is as neutral as it gets, if it wants to stay profitable. This is why the "get woke, go broke" adage works. As long as you are neutral, you sell to the highest bidder, and you remain flexible. But when there is only one narrative, people who don't agree will buy nothing from you.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems strange that Amazon doesn't bother figuring out whether there is an alt-right news angle to also sell to people. Which is where it gets weird. There kinda isn't. Even my conservative dad isn't with me on this. Left/right, pretty much every American thinks we should support Ukraine. Sure, if you want to run blindly into a war. If you want to keep Russia happy, however, you back off NATO interference, and leave Ukraine alone. Russia is not Nazi Germany. They haven't gobbled up Russian states in the years following the Berlin Wall, so Russia taking Ukraine means something.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Left/right, pretty much every American thinks we should support Ukraine. Sure, if you want to run blindly into a war. If you want to keep Russia happy, however, you back off NATO interference, and leave Ukraine alone. Russia is not Nazi Germany. They haven't gobbled up Russian states in the years following the Berlin Wall, so Russia taking Ukraine means something.

Hello? Crimea?

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems strange that Amazon doesn't bother figuring out whether there is an alt-right news angle to also sell to people. Which is where it gets weird. There kinda isn't. Even my conservative dad isn't with me on this. Left/right, pretty much every American thinks we should support Ukraine.

Ok, you're wrong. Amazon is a marketplace; they sell from many merchants. Amazon doesn't bother figuring out if there is a market, they just provide shelf space to people (like you) looking for opportunities. Per your own post, there is no market, not on the right or the left. You say "of course there is an anti-Ukraine market!" Even your dad doesn't support you on this one. That is capitalism. It's not neutral, it's about the money. All your examples show is that there is a market on the right and the left hence goods are available for both. If there is no anti-Ukraine market, no goods. BUT THIS IS YOUR GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY! If you think there is an underserved market out there, go out and make your fortune!

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

Hello? Crimea?

And Belarus, don't forget them. And Georgia. And Crimea.

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@engineer,

And Syria.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

No, you're ill-informed. First of all, you can't tell me personally what the information is, you refer me to articles, only you can't tell me what articles either!

1. It's not that I 'can't' tell you what the information is - I just don't want to waste my time. I did suggest you do a bit more reading. Do your own homework.

2. I never you referred to to any articles - perhaps that was someone else?

The consensus seems to be that you're ill-informed on the war on Ukraine, bulimia, and if you believe the Earth is flat, as well ... well, what can I say? You might be in the wrong forum.

3. The member who left yesterday did so for other reasons, not for being attacked. He welcomed a good debate, actually. Turns out you don't know everything.

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@bulmabriefs144,

Nothing like impinging on a copyright or a trademark, right? Shame on them.

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@engineer,

Lemme show you the search I did.

(First off, notice the "Help the People of Ukraine. Donate Now" on Amazon's homepage)

But then I type in "**** ukraine" hoping to get an awesum tee shirt saying **** Ukraine. Cuz seriously, **** Ukraine. Nope, I get this...
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=****+ukraine&crid=22PWC860URSQK&sprefix=****+ukraine%2Caps%2C297&ref=nb_sb_noss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816868397836926996/953290311529005136/unknown.png

In three pages, despite explicitly using the words "**** ukraine" I get mostly either "I stand with Ukraine", "**** Russia", "**** Putin", "Russian warship go **** yourself", or in two cases "**** Joe Biden." Not one entry of "**** Ukraine" for my search.

When I type "I stand with Russia":
I get 3 "I ♥ Russia", 1 "I stand with Russie", 1 ♥ pair with both flag colors, 1 kiss mouth with the Russian flag colors, many cases of "I stand with Ukraine", many cases of "**** Putin", 2 cases of "Russia Go Home" (because X Go Home pasted on shopkeeper's doors isn't xenophobic or anything), a couple of Russian text stuff that the caption reads Russian slogan that means I'm always right, 1 "Stop the War" that actually includes the Russian flag as well as the Ukraine (most of them walk away with the idea that only Ukraine matters), and 1 peace sign that includes both flags. This is over 7 pages.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=i+stand+with+russia&crid=27ZGEG22EXC66&qid=1647353501&sprefix=i+stand+with+russia%2Caps%2C106&ref=sr_pg_1

So yes, there is not only media bias but commercial bias. Businesses can't even be seen to be doing business in Russia. McDonald's and Coke got slammed for it. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/08/pressure-grows-on-mcdonalds-and-coca-cola-to-suspend-russia-operations

For the record, this is the shirt I'm considering.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816868397836926996/953297381632393226/unknown.png

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@bulmabriefs144,

But you are missing your big chance! You believe there is a market there, grab it! Spend a $100k, make those shirts, roll in the money! You will be rich! Unless you're wrong and there is no market which is why there are no shirts, but that can't be it, so go for it!

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@engineer,

I'm pretty sure even if there were a market, they'd currently be too shy to wear shirts that say "I Stand With Russia" in this climate.

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@bulmabriefs144,

Yeah, destroying a country that didn't do anything to you tends to make you unpopular.

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@engineer,

Iraq

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@engineer,

It is well that you say that.

It turns out that a number of America's Wars were done under false flag premise. Or at least, done with the idea of provoking the American public into attacking. We have a war machine in thid country, as war is a profitable business and a good distraction when the president is unpopular.

I think it was the USS Maine that blowed up prior to the Spanish American War. But you know what? Later analysis showed that the explosion came from INSIDE the ship (the Spanish gave us the benefit of the doubt and said it was an internal problem, but it sounds more like a planned explosion).

In 2008, Russia did the exact same thing to Georgia. Unprovoked attack to gobble up Georgia? Well uhhhh, about that. It turns out the new president was kinda American educated and loyal to the US, and it was kinda... American colonialism. That wasn't reported in the news, was it? Nope, public outcry about how terrible Russia is. 12 years later, same thing with Ukraine.
https://fair.org/home/calling-russias-attack-unprovoked-lets-us-off-the-hook/

As long as you carefully cultivate the image that Ukraine didn't do anything, the American public is outraged. Actually, Ukraine has done plenty.
https://planetaryliberation.community/2022/02/28/the-war-in-ukraine-another-false-flag-event/
But the real issue? The siding with Ukraine is a distraction to get you to forget that gas prices rose under Biden's watch, that inflation and the unemployment rate were at unacceptable levels.

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@vikorr,

And we also have been in more than a few wars against Iraq for no good reason. Or Iran. Or Afghanistan. Or Syria.

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@bulmabriefs144,

When was the US at war with Iran or Syria?

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