Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

No, that was not his contention.

Wow. what a world okie must live in. He thinks people went to jail for Whitewater. I wonder which mythical persons went to which mythical jails for a crime concerning Whitewater.

Not one person went to jail for any crime associated with Whitewater okie. Here is the IC's report. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/whitewater_032002.html There were no indictments for crimes associated with Whitewater. There were no convictions for crimes associated with Whitewater. But if you want to believe things that aren't true. I guess we can't stop you. Libby was convicted of a crime. That doesn't make him innocent in the real world but in your world of up is down it seems it does.

Did you even bother to read your own source Parados?

There is an entire appendix about the prosecutions.

http://icreport.access.gpo.gov/final/v1app5.pdf

Are you going to simply admit you were wrong and be done with this?

James McDougal was the only person who spent time in prison, but his conviction was based on bad loans from his S&L.

cicerone imposter wrote:

James McDougal was the only person who spent time in prison, but his conviction was based on bad loans from his S&L.

Several people convicted during the Whitewater investigation spent time in jail. Hale, Hubbell, Wade, Matthews, both McDougals. None of them were convicted for crimes about Whitewater.

From a purely logical standpoint, you can't argue that peripheral crimes in one investigation are nonsense but peripheral crimes in another are directly related to the investigation. It makes no sense.

There were no convictions for crimes associated with Whitewater.

I have only stated that NONE of those prosecutions were for crimes directly involving Whitewater.

Then:

parados wrote:

There were no convictions for crimes associated with Whitewater.

Now:

parados wrote:

I have only stated that NONE of those prosecutions were for crimes directly involving Whitewater.

You didn't use the word "directly" in your first statement. I was addressing your first statement.

There have been convictions for crimes associated with Whitewater.

4. United States v. James B. McDougal, Jim Guy Tucker, and Susan H.
McDougal.194
As discussed in detail above, James and Susan McDougal and Jim Guy Tucker were
involved in the $825,000 loan scheme. Each played crucial roles in coordinating and executing
the scheme, and each was eventually convicted of two or more felony counts.
a. Indictment.
On August 17, 1995, a Little Rock grand jury returned a multiple-count indictment
against the McDougals and Tucker, who was then Governor of Arkansas.195 The indictment
charged 21 counts:

Count1: All three defendants were charged with conspiracy in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 371 regarding the various fraudulent transactions related to the $825,000
Dean Paul loan.
Counts 2 and 3: All three defendants were charged with wire fraud in violation
of 18 U.S.C. § 1343 regarding two different SBA transfers of funds to CMS in
response to the infusion of the "profits" from the Dean Paul loan.

 Count 4: McDougal and Tucker were charged with savings and loan fraud by
submitting false loan documents to Madison Guaranty in regard to the Dean Paul
loan in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1344.

 Counts 5, 6, and 7: These charges related to McDougal's role in the fraudulent
loan to Kuca. Count 5 charged him with mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. §
1341 for causing Hale to submit the fraudulent Form 1031. Count 6 charged
McDougal with fraudulently concealing from the FHLBB his role in the supposed
advance of commissions to Kuca in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1006. And Count 7
charged McDougal with aiding and abetting the making of false statements to the
CMS, a federal licensed SBIC, regarding this loan in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 
1014 and 2.

 Counts 8 through 11: McDougal and Tucker were charged with various felonies
related to the $65,000 loan to Smith. Count 8 charged them with mail fraud in
violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 for causing Hale to mail to the SBA false forms to
accomplish the fraudulent scheme. Count 9 charged them with aiding and
abetting the misapplication of the proceeds of this loan in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§§ 657 & 2. Count 10 charged them with aiding and abetting the defrauding of
the SBA regulators by making false entries into records in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§§ 1006 & 2. Count 11 charged them with aiding and abetting the false
statements to CMS to procure the $65,000 loan in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1014
& 2.

 Count 12: All three defendants were charged with mail fraud in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 1341 for causing Hale to mail a false Form 1031 to the SBA in relation
to the CMS loan to Castle Sewer and Water.

 Counts 13 through 16: These charges related to the McDougals' roles in the
fraudulent $300,000 Master Marketing loan. Count 13 charged them with mail
fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 for causing Hale to mail a fraudulent Form
1031 to the SBA in connection with the loan. Count 14 charged them with
misapplying the loan proceeds, and aiding and abetting the misapplying of the
proceeds, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 657 & 2. Count 15 charged them with
making false entries in CMS records, and aiding and abetting the making of false
entries, regarding this loan, which were made to deceive the SBA auditors in
violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1006 & 2. And Count 16 charged them with making
false statements to CMS and aiding and abetting the making of false statements in
violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1014 & 2.

 Counts 17, 18, and 19: The counts charged McDougal in relation to the 1308
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Main Street land flip transactions. Count 17 charged him with misapplying the
loan proceeds of the $125,000 loan secured by the 1308 Main Street property, and
aiding and abetting such misapplying of proceeds, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§
657 & 2. Count 18 charged him with misapplying the funds of Madison
Financial, and caused the misapplying of funds, regarding the $18,000 supposed
rent payment to Bill Henley in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 657 & 2. Count 19
charged McDougal with making false statements, and causing such statements to
be made, in the records of Madison Guaranty, namely that Henley owned the
1308 Main Street property since August 1, 1985, to justify the $18,000 "rent"
payment in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1006 & 2.

 Counts 20 and 21: The counts charged Governor Tucker in relation to the
October 1987 fraudulent Southloop loan from CMS. Count 20 charged Governor
Tucker with misapplying, and aiding and abetting the misapplying of, this loan in
violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 657 & 2. Count 21 charged him with making, and
aiding and abetting the making, of false statements in the records of CMS in
violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1006 & 2

part of the loan to Mrs. McDougal was used
to fund Whitewater Development's down payment on another piece of property, and to help
retire a Whitewater debt, conferring a benefit on the Whitewater Development, jointly owned by
the McDougals and the Clintons.

About criminal conduct that occurred involving Whitewater Development:

 Jim McDougal engaged in numerous financial transactions for the benefit of Whitewater
Development involving Madison Guaranty and other corporate entities. Many of these
transactions were fraudulent. Jim McDougal was convicted of felonies in May 1996
arising from a series of fraudulent transactions he committed involving Madison
Guaranty and CMS. Susan McDougal was convicted of felonies in May 1996 involving
the fraudulent loan she received from CMS.

 Chris Wade, a real estate developer in Flippin, Arkansas, committed bankruptcy fraud
his purchase of Lot 7 of Whitewater Estates. Wade pleaded guilty in March 1995.

Roxxxanne, the claim has been made by your side that like the Libby situation, nobody was convicted of anything concerning the Whitewater investigations besides Clinton lying under oath. Hokiebird is arguing the case very well that there were. Unlike the Libby situation where no other crime has been established or prosecuted besides Libby being convicted for lying. That is the connection of this argument over Whitewater to the Libby affair.

Didn't it all start with Whitewater, cyclops, and before it was over, it encompassed the entire cess pool surrounding Clinton's tenure? That has been so long ago, frankly I would like to forget it.

But that still leaves an option for Bush.

To date, most of those convicted of crimes have involved the Arkansas phase of Whitewater. On Aug. 17, 1995, Starr obtained an indictment of then-Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and the McDougals, and on May 28, 1996, all three were convicted of charges related to Whitewater. On April 28,1996, Clinton delivered four hours of videotaped testimony on behalf of the defense in the first Whitewater trial. He also testified in the second Whitewater trial -- of Arkansas bankers Herby Branscum and Robert Hill. A hung jury forced a mistrial and Starr has decided not to retry the case.

James McDougal was found guilty on 18 of 19 felony counts of conspiracy and fraud; Susan McDougal was found guilty on four of four felony counts. He will begin serving his sentence in early summer. She is awaiting sentencing and now is imprisoned for her refusal to answer a grand jury's questions and also is awaiting trial on charges of embezzlement in an unrelated matter.

Following his conviction on two of seven felony counts of conspiracy, Tucker resigned as governor and could face up to 10 years in prison. The following individuals also have been convicted or have pleaded guilty to Whitewater-related crimes:

* Stephen Smith (former Clinton political adviser and business partner of McDougal) pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor;

* Eugene Fitzhugh (owner of Townsend Financial Services, which received the $300,000 Hale loan) got a one-year sentence;

* Madison real-estate dealer Robert Palmer was given three years probation;

* Webster Hubbell pleaded guilty to two felony charges of defrauding the Rose Law Firm and served 18 months of a 21-month sentence;

* David Hale received a 28-month sentence and three years supervised release;

* Arkansas banker Neal T. Ainley got two years probation for crimes connected to Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial race;

* Whitewater real-estate broker Christopher Wade was sentenced to 15 months in prison and three years probation;

* Appraiser Charles Matthews was sentenced to 28 months in prison, serving 16;


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