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Would you get upset?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2021 11:13 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

That's the sort of response I would expect from someone who considers watching child pornography a victimless crime.


You have no problem with lying now do you?

Never stated CP should not be illegal my problem is that I happen to agree with the the poll of the majority of Federal Judges that the mandatory sentence for that crime is way out of line.

Nor do I think that a male with a naked picture of his 16 years old girlfriend call for a ten year sentence.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2021 11:16 pm
@Medusax,
Medusax wrote:

Yes...you said it.... "women AMONG THEMSELVES." Never have I been with a man and said "Oh, WOW!~ Look at the bulge in HIS pants! Damn! Let me get a PICTURE of THAT!" Of course...MOST of my relationships were pre-cell phone, but blatantly looking and making comments is the same thing. As a veteran of this sort of crap, it is rude and disrespectful and it tells the person you are with that they are worthless and not enough for you. More and more I am thankful to be old and done . My late husband was the only man who EVER respected me. I'm sorry but as a whole, you guys suck. Period.


Hell I have women friends pointing out other women to me many times in my life. We are too damn uptight.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2021 11:28 pm
@Mame,
Sorry but if a woman is comfortable with you I myself had found women friends making such comments.

I can still remember the comments of a group of middle age female high school teachers at an end of the year party concerning young very good looking and in shape late teens male students who have a crush on them.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2021 11:45 pm
@BillRM,
For Izzy information my opinion of CP that just happen to agree with the majority of federal judges




Quote:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/debate-rages-over-severity-of-child-porn-sentences

By the end of this year, after a review dating to 2009, the U.S. Sentencing Commission plans to release a report that's likely to propose changes to the sentencing guidelines that it oversees. It's a daunting task, given the polarized viewpoints that the commission is weighing.

The issue "is highly charged, both emotionally and politically," said one of the six commissioners, U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell.

On one side of the debate, many federal judges and public defenders say repeated moves by Congress to toughen the penalties over the past 25 years have badly skewed the guidelines, to the point where offenders who possess and distribute child pornography can go to prison for longer than those who actually rape or sexually abuse a child. In a 2010 survey of federal judges by the Sentencing Commission, about 70 percent said the proposed ranges of sentences for possession and receipt of child pornography were too high. Demonstrating their displeasure, federal judges issued child porn sentences below the guidelines 45 percent of the time in 2010, more than double the rate for all other crimes.

On the other hand, some prosecutors and members of Congress, as well as advocates for sexual-abuse victims, oppose any push for more leniency. At a public hearing in February, the Sentencing Commission received a victim's statement lamenting that child pornography offenders "are being entertained by my shame and pain."

"They need to be taught how much pain they inflict and a greater term of imprisonment will teach them that, (and) will comfort victims seeking justice," the victim said. "I don't believe that short periods of imprisonment will accomplish these things."

Once completed, the Sentencing Commission report will be submitted to Congress, which could shelve it or incorporate its recommendations into new legislation.

Already, the commission has conveyed some concerns. In a 2010 report on mandatory minimum sentences, the commission said the penalties for certain child pornography offenses "may be excessively severe and as a result are being applied inconsistently."

However, similar misgivings voiced by the commission in previous years failed to deter Congress from repeatedly ratcheting up the penalties — including legislation in 2003 that more than doubled average sentences for child pornography crimes.

Many of the offenses carry a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in prison, and the guidelines call for additional penalties — known as enhancements — based on a range of factors, such as the age of the children depicted in the imagery and whether a computer was used in the crime. As of last year, the median sentence was seven years.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 12:07 am
@BillRM,
Maybe those judges need to be locked up.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 02:07 am
@glitterbag,
Like Brett Kavanaugh.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 02:09 am
@BillRM,
You used ghe phrase victimless crime, that is a lie.

It shows your attitude towards women and children.

You can hide behind as many judges and legal definitions as you want, but there's no escaping what you are.
animaltracks
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 09:09 am
@Mame,
I don't know.. it's immature to do that, which is bad but I don't know... I will overreact too Smile
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 09:13 am
@BillRM,
Then we need to up the sentences for killing and assaulting children
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 06:22 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Then we need to up the sentences for killing and assaulting children


Having pictures off the internet is not the same as killing a child or even assaulting a child but now for that crime people are going to jail for far longer then for raping a child.

This time I need to go with the majority of Federal judges the sentencing guidelines does not made any kind of sense.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 06:27 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You used ghe phrase victimless crime, that is a lie.

It shows your attitude towards women and children.

You can hide behind as many judges and legal definitions as you want, but there's no escaping what you are.


You do love placing words in my mouth do you not??????

I never claim that having CP should not be a crime just not a worse crime then raping a child for example.

In fact I agree with your nation UK sentencing guideline that is not anywhere similar to the the US guideline in this matter.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 06:31 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Maybe those judges need to be locked up.


Do not forget that the UK lawmakers should also should be lock up for the same reason as not treating having CP as a worst or similar crime to raping a child.

You know the nation that Izzy live in.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 06:35 pm
@BillRM,
So you know that an adult raping a child is wrong, but just watching an adult rape a child is not that big of a deal?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 08:02 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

So you know that an adult raping a child is wrong, but just watching an adult rape a child is not that big of a deal?


A ten years sentence repeat as a minimum in all cases repeat a minimum is crazy for downloading a picture and in the majority of Federal judges for that matter opinion.

Let see in most US states a 16 year old girl can legally grant permission to have sex but if her boyfriend would take a sexual picture of her he can end up in prison for ten years and if you do not think that is crazy I feel sorry for you.

CP is crime that call out for human judgement in sentencing where ten years may be call for in some cases or even more and far less in others cases.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2021 02:28 am
@BillRM,
You said child pornography was a victimless crime.

You are the one putting words in peoples' mouths.

I have not said that you said child pornogeaphy should not be a crime.

Now either you are lying or you're too stupid to understand what words mean, or both.

And instead of addressing the points I make you resort to anglophobia which is what a simple minded bigot would do.

You wanted to go there so I will fill in a few of the details.

There is a thread about a person arrested for watching child pornography. You took their side claiming as you always do that child pornography is a victimless crime, and it was overreaction. You claimed these pictures were arty pictures, little more than holiday snaps.

The truth of the matter is that this was the very worst sort of child pornography and that other passengers and airline staff needed counselling just after glimpsing this material.

You attacked the UK's porography laws because rape, torture and bestiality videos are illegal over here.

You also had to send some of your porn back because you were worried the girls in there were too young and you would get into trouble.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2021 08:37 am
@izzythepush,
Nonsense Izzy and once more a twenty year old male who have been given a naked sexual picture of his 17 years old or even 16 year old girlfriend does not call for the same punishment as a picture of a 7 years old being rape but under current US law both are child porn calling for the same punishment and that is the way it is and that is damn crazy,

Late teens having sexual picture of themselves pr sharing them is not child rape and to try to sell such nonsense is not helpful.

Your nation law makers are not that silly.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2021 08:44 am
@BillRM,
If nothing else the OP will have a more complete picture of the sort of person who approves of her husband's behaviour.

The fact that you have so much compassion for people convicted of watching child pornography but none whatsoever of the children who are abused.

And you're cherry picking tiny incidences to justify lenient sentences for child abusers.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2021 08:53 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry that I think that there should be some judgement involve and a middle to late teens who willingly have sexual pictures taken is not the same as a seven year old rape picture.

When you call a young lady that legally can married a child there is my problem with you or at least one of them.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2021 09:06 am
@BillRM,
Bill, I've kept quiet on this long enough to begin to feel as if I'm encouraging you.

Sex between minors and adults is wrong, even in states where a 14 or 16 yr old can marry adults. Sex between a 14 or 16 and an 18 yr old is wrong, too.

There is no defense for it in any circumstance. There is no defense for looking at or trading in photos of naked children. Whatever "art" defense went out the window years ago when pornographers started defending themselves with free speech arguments.

I am shocked how you just don't get it.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2021 09:12 am
@BillRM,
Pictures of children having sex with adults is most assuredly assault, it's at the very least documentation of the assault.

Explain the naturalness of an adult in a studio with other adults making the set, running the camera and lights, ******* a child and being put on a video and being watched by someone like you. (that is any middle aged male hiding out in the den.)
 

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