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How to lose your job and alienate people... (Please help me)

 
 
Heeven
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 02:18 pm
I have my 29th birthday in two weeks time, and the rest of my life looks like it will be fairly meaningless.

Bullshit! 29 is young and you have many years ahead of you to buck up and do what it is you want to do.

Two months ago I was sacked from a relatively well paid job with a well-defined and lucrative career path. This was the pinnacle of my stupidity, the final fly on the turd of my life.

All your own fault and your own doing - accept responsibility for being a lazy ass and getting what you deserved.

Age 14-16 - Passed GCSE exams with brilliant grades after doing no studying.

Getting something easily is not as good a learning experience as working hard for something.

Age 16-18 - Passed A-Level exams with average grades after doing no studying. Some minor back problems.

Life getting slightly harder, but with no work you are still getting by. Again not a good learning experience for what life is all about.

Age 18-21 - Dropped out of Uni after failing Second Year for the second time. Was doing Biology. Still doing no studying, just getting drunk and taking acid, amphetamines, ecstacy and shed-loads of weed. Back problems increased greatly by 20, then went away.

Drugs and excesses getting in the way. Not so easy to get by with no effort. Finding it difficult to keep up the pace, so give up instead of putting in real actual work and effort into studying. Had you had a more difficult time in school when younger you might have been more likely to make an effort at this point.

Ever think your physical pain might have had something to do with the drugs you were taking? Or the wild activities I am sure you were involved in during this period?

Ages 21-24 - Working full-time and studying for accountancy exams by day and block release to college. Lost interest, stopped doing the home assessments. Passed first year and most of second year. Moved internally by employer into payroll (for clients) then Personal Tax dept. Still doing loads of drugs. Lived with parents mostly, except during a year-long relationship when I lived with my (ex)girlfriend. Got into loads of debt. No back problems.

Parents obviously your crutch at this point. Getting into debt another step down after the decisions to give up on school-work.

Age 25 - Moved away to York. Brother living here and sister at Uni here. Carried on with tax work for a new firm, started doing tax assistant exams, but didn't do any of the home assessments and failed exams. Nearly sacked, but then left job. Minor back problems.

Still not prepared to put any effort into exams/education because you never put in any real effort before, it's alien to you.

Age 25-27 - Working in payroll dept for railway engineering firm. No exams required. Getting further into debt. Still doing loads of drugs, but now limited to weed most of the time. Given two County Court Judgements for debt arrears. Credit Rating now rock-bottom.

More of the same.

Age 27 - Made redundant (along with whole finance dept) after company was bought out. On grounds of intelligence and can-do problem solving attitude, offered new position as assistant project planner. Needed qualifications in engineering/construction, so started course at college on day release.

Massive back problem in Dec 03 with a prolapsed disk. Signed off work by doctor for 2 weeks. Enjoyed time off so much, and back not completely healed, so carried on displaying the symptoms. Sympathetic doctor ended up signing me off for 3 months. College said I had missed too much to go back, but would accept me back the following September to repeat the year.

Employer sympathetic after 3 month absence. Still smoking loads of weed, even though employer ran random drug tests (due to railway work). Saw physiotherapist at hospital for a few months who gave exercises to maintain flexibility and build strength in muscles.

Not knowing your history of laziness, employer not savvy enough to know what you were doing.

Age 28 - Started back at college. Getting bored of job. Slept in one morning and had the idea of using the back problems and need for pre-work exercises as an excuse for lateness. Employer sympathetic. Drug use continuing. More and more absences - not one single week in 8 months did I work a full week. More and more sleeping in. Very late nights smoking weed. Couldn't be bothered working much or studying at all. Started not even bothering to ring employer some days. Waking up after deadline for reporting absences, so failing to comply with procedures.

You were getting away with crap so you just kept on doing it. At age 28 you really should have known there are no free rides in this life.

Jan 05 - Slept in on first day after Christmas/New Year shutdown. Went in on second day and claimed to have mixed up dates.

Your boss is beginning to get pissed off with you.

Feb 05 - Called in for disciplinary meeting regarding repeated failure (like 20+ occasions) to comply with absence reporting procedures. Used medication and distraction of back pain to excuse failure to ring. Given Final Written Warning.

You should have been given a kick up the arse way before this.

Mar-Apr 05 - Tried to buck my ideas up. Gave up weed, but still sleeping in, and still couldn't be bothered to do college assignments. Just got drunk every night instead. Three weeks later, another disciplinary hearing called. Realised I was likely to be sacked. Called in union rep (hadn't bothered for the first meeting). Announced to HR officer two days before that I was a weed addict and that was why I was "forgetting" to ring work.

Meeting held. Union rep does good job in defence. Company arranged drugs counselling through medical scheme. Meeting and verdict suspended pending independent doctors report and drugs counselling.

Didn't bother to arrange meeting with drugs counsellor. Missed final deadline for college work, and failed year. Continued absences/lateness. Continued heavy weed smoking. Had assessment with indy doctor, but failed to provide correct written permission for own doctor to release medical records.


You still think you can get away with this crap.

May 05 - Disciplinary meeting reconvened. Knew for certain was going to be sacked. Absent most of previous week (without ringing after first day). Letter sent saying to contact HR or be officially AWOL. Failed to contact. Decided to turn up to meeting and hand in resignation before they could hold meeting and give verdict.

Slept in and missed disciplinary meeting. Sacked in absence.


About friggin' time!

Jul 05 - Started work at Pizza Hut (worked part-time there when 25-26).

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I am now working for minimum wage. Employment/recruitment agencies won't touch me for a "proper" job because i was sacked - now denied all but the most menial jobs. Still smoking weed. Still single. Constant cough. Pale skin and black-ringed eyes. Confidence gone. Started and gave up on four separate career paths because lacked commitment to study outside of office hours. Addiction to weed and lazing around. Appalling credit history (one step before bankruptcy). Will never get a mortgage - can't even get a contract mobile phone (prepay only).


All self-inflicted.

So I ask myself - what is the point?

So you unhappy with where you have landed? If you were content to continue to be a drunk and a pothead with a low-paying job (can't buy the luxuries you used to?) then you would not be crying or feeling sorry for yourself here. Have you finally come to the conclusion that you want something better for yourself? If so, GET OFF YOUR LAZY ARSE, GIVE UP THE CRAP YOU'RE DRINKING, SMOKING, TAKING, GET YOURSELF TO SEE A PROFESSIONAL WHO CAN SMACK YOU UPSIDE THE HEAD AND WAKE YEARS OF SELFISH FOG OFF OF YOU, AND TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE. Learn that it takes effort, work, passion, enjoyment, applying yourself to get something in life. If you are happy being a clerk, then that is what you should strive for. If you want something more responsible then "responsible" is a key word. You have to show up, be proactive, be prepared, even bust your ass to reach that goal. You really can get and do all the things you want to but you are just not used to making that real effort.

There is nothing too much that a person cannot cope with, with some help and help is always available, somewhere. It just appears you have not been challenged too much in the past and never had the slap of reality like being fired from your job which has very real consequences. I think it was about time it happened (sorry to say) and now it is time for a fresh start, a new perspective and a taking on of real responsibility for your life and how you are in control of where it goes and how to make yourself happy.

Ooh and happy soon-to-be birthday. This might be the best birthday present you'll get.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 07:59 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
In fact, from reading your first post, it sounds like maybe things came very easily to you when you were younger. And maybe -- people expected big things from you?...

I'm also wondering -- is it possible that because of all that early success --which you managed to achieve without studying -- that you simply didn't learn how to study? Or maybe it was just the discipline of studying that you missed out on...?

All of those things. I never had to try very hard at school to get good marks. I'd sit down in exams, open my paper, and the answers appeared in my head as I read the questions. That's the reason why I started my "timeline" way back at age 16, as I had a feeling the trouble had started then, and it looks like many here agree.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:19 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
But I agree that you seem to having a problem with motivation -- so you fail -- then you beat yourself up by trashing yourself with alcahol and weed. It's the old vicious circle.

I've never had any motivation to do anything except enjoy life's pleasures. Jobs have always been a necessary evil.
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It sounds like you just don't care much about your jobs, other people in your life -- but worst of all -- that you don't care much about yourself. That's the most worrying thing. To be honest, I really wish you would get some counselling. At least think about it. Counsellors aren't there to judge you, they're there to help you figure things out. You've made a good start by posting here. It sounds like you need to get some of this out of your system instead of internalizing it -- which leads you to beat yourself up some more.

I've never told anyone this crap before. My parents have no idea at all about my drug use, although they obviously know about my job changes. Getting it out has been... interesting. Expressing my true feelings honestly is something I've very rarely done before, even with girlfriends, family, friends.
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Along with the alcahol and weed, I'm thinking that the problem you're having with getting out of bed in the morning could also be from depression. So if you have depression, and you add on the alcahol, the weed, the late nights every night -- no wonder you're "sleeping in."

This talk of depression makes me nervous. I only feel bad because I am failing, and haven't been able to change. But am I failing because I feel bad?
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But what does being happy mean to you? Getting drunk and stoned, watching TV all day? Are you really happy? It doesn't sound like it. The fact is, Grand Duke, there's no amount of booze or weed in the world that's going to make you "happy" -- but I'm sure you already know that. Sometimes you just need to hear someone say it.

It's time you made a change Grand Duke. But you have to want to. I think the fact that you posted all of this here is a sign that maybe -- you're getting ready to.

If you want to post some more -- I'll try to help give you my input, opinion, support -- whatever I can to help out. I know everyone else here will too.

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I'm only ever truly happy when I am unaware of "real life" - be it on a rollercoaster, watching a good film with a few joints, lying in bed in the dark listening to good music, reading a good book.
Part of me wants to change, and part of me thinks there will be no point, as I have "changed" on at least 3 occasions in the past with the same inevitable results.
Thank you for your posts, Stray Cat. I'm trying to show my appreciation for everyone's help by responding to everyone all seperately. Don't know if it's "the done thing" to make multiple posts like this but I can't reply properly to everyone in a single post.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:26 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I have been in very similar situations - only which the (admittingly major) advantage, still to have had parents (and their financial aid), who helped me.

And since I later had had during my professional career as a social worker dozens of dozens of such 'cases', I really think, I know what I'm speaking about.

The first step is done: you talked about your problems.

The second is the hardest and long lasting: you must not only want to change the sitution, but you must change.

And this seems to be rather impossible doing on your own.

So, I would suggest, you ask for professional help.

Taking the first step was hard. It's taken 2 months from being sacked to being able to write all this crap down. Can I ask, Walter, how you changed yourself? Was it a change in circumstances or environment, or is it a mental step that must be taken (or both)?
And thank you for your posts.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:27 pm
Aww, thanks for responding Grand Duke! I just hope that something -- anything -- I may have said has helped, or given you some insight.

I thought maybe a lack of discipline at an early age could have contributed to your problems -- and yes, I think's it's more difficult to "become" disciplined as an adult -- but it's not impossible. I think it's more a question of changing or relearning your habits.

But don't let the talk of "depression" make you nervous, though. There are so many people out there who suffer from depression. It's very common and very treatable. You may be suffering from depression without even realizing it.

At any rate, if you want to talk some more, feel free. I'll continue to check in here.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:37 pm
And I'll be checking in too, Grand Duke. Mostly because I don't want to end up in the same situation. I see some of the things you write and I'm like, "Hell yeah! Why is it such a bad thing to not want to work!? Why is it such a bad thing to want to enjoy yourself?! And just because a guy doesn't buy into all this work, work, work for nothing BS, why does that automatically mean he's the one who is wrong?! And about this depression stuff...why wouldn't a person be depressed in this f*cked up materialistic a-hole society! He's actually the one who has the right idea!"

I'm probably not helping, am I.
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:48 pm
Kicky, in many ways you are right. There are societies that don't place as much emphasis on work and achieving success as much as the UK and the US. They put quality of life uppermost in their list of priorities--like the Italians. :wink: Still, GD must find some compromise or he will eventually self-destruct.

GD, writing it all out like this, 'talking' with all of us, is a very healthy beginning. Could you start thinking of what the next step must be on the road to a self-sufficient life?
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:51 pm
Odd Socks wrote:
Motivation is for chumps. When you find something you really love doing , you don't have to bother forcing yourself to do it, and it makes you a lot happier. If you have to constantly force yourself to do things (always, not just on occasions) , you probably aren't in the right field.

I have always thought this, but have been unable to determine exactly what sort of thing I would love to do. I have always had to force myself to do most things - keep in contact with my family, go to work, maintain relationships with women (although there have been precious few of those). The only things that fall outside of that category are the self-indulgent vices that I've already mentioned - staying up late watching films/TV, reading books, getting stoned, getting drunk, sleeping.
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On the other hand, depression f*cks up your ability to concentrate and maintain motivation.

Again, that word rears its ugly head again. How do I know if I am depressed? Perhaps a trip to the doctors is the only logical next step.
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Perhaps the best thing for you to do a the moment, might be to forget about your career. Whenever it's possible for me, I find the best way to get out of a slump is to physically move and try my hand at something entirely different from what I would usually ( although this isn't always realistic) .

Careerwise, I have effectively given up for now. I'm going to make pizzas for the rest of the summer at least, and see how I feel later in the year. A physical move is not possible at the moment, for financial reasons.
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In time, you'll be able to fix any mistakes you've made and get your career back on track, if that's what you want to do. When you feel that you'll competently be able to complete professional work, you can always volunteer somewhere for six months or so to demonstrate how capable you are.

Thing is, my qualifications are only equal to those of someone 10 years younger than I, so those are the people I will be competing with for jobs, and those guys won't have multiple abandoned jobs and a dismissal on their CVs.
However, once again I sincerely thank you for your post, Odd Socks.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 08:59 pm
Stray Cat/Kicky/Diane - Bear with me until I can reply properly. I have two large cups of tea and a pack of cigarettes on my desk. I'm working through the backlog of posts caused by my short absence. Making pizzas in a small kitchen with two ovens and no air-con even in a British summer is taking it out of me, and I've been too tired for reading, thinking & typing. Hard work! Toil! Sweat! All fairly novel concepts to me...
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 09:05 pm
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They put quality of life uppermost in their list of priorities--like the Italians


Diane, that reminds me of something my father once told me. He was in Rome once, years ago, on business. One day, he was getting a hair cut and was just chatting about life -- and stuff -- with the Italian barber. The barber told him that, although they may not have a lot of the "luxuries" that you might get in the U.S., they had a good life there in Italy and went on to describe the typical lifestyle there -- a simple life -- but one that was still very beautiful in many ways.

Still, even with all that "la dolce vita" stuff -- I'm sure they still have to earn a living -- like everyone else! You're right though -- we Americans could learn a lot about "quality of life" from the Europeans.
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 09:06 pm
Hey GD, good to see you - even given the circumstances.

Could you be suffering from depression? Being depressed can cause a lot of your symptoms, if not all of them. There's a full spectrum between slightly depressed and suicidal.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 09:08 pm
Yes, littlek. We've actually been talking to GD about the distinct possibility of depression.
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 09:21 pm
Oops, I guess I should read this thread more carefully.....
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 09:26 pm
BorisKitten wrote:
If it's any comfort, Grand Duke, I'm a fellow Underachiever.

I was once an Information Systems Specialist, with years of Corporate work experience, making loads of money. Now I work part-time at whatever, usually secretarial work since there's more of that around.

My husband's the same way. He was once a Captain in the Air Force, supervising 200 people who repaired B-1 Bombers. Now he's fixing lawnmowers part-time.

We're both happier now (in our 40's) being poor, working less, and just barely scraping by financially.

Just because you CAN make a lot of money in a Respectable Profession, doesn't mean you HAVE TO. Can you forgive yourself for not wanting that?

Can I ask what made you and your husband decide to make those changes, BorisKitten? Were they self-imposed for reasons of quality of life, or was there another reason? Apologies if it sounds like I'm prying, but I'm just trying to get a handle on how and why other people have made significant life changes. And thank you for your post. I'm pleased to find another Underachiever, even if your reasons are genuine and mine are through laziness. You seem to be Underacheiving through choice. I have been doing it mostly subconsciously.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 10:10 pm
sozobe wrote:
Stray Cat got there with depression first. My spin (what I'd planned on saying as I read through) is it sounds like depression could be the root cause, and you're self-medicating. That's really common.

I've seen this with both of my parents, and seen how they finally got off their duffs when they started anti-depressants. Not a magic bullet, but allowed them to start accomplishing things. My mom is midway through an advanced degree, after never graduating from college, and getting straight A's.

Definitely worth it to speak to a professional. If you had a broken leg I guess you'd try to set it yourself?

Self-medication has been a common theme in my life. I hate asking for help. I don't believe it is a macho thing either, as in many many other ways, I am an un-macho man. I just don't like letting people into my head and my heart, and so never have. There are some bad things in there that no-one can ever see. I assume that everyone is like this, though, but have never asked anyone so don't really know.

I have known people who have been diagnosed with, and subsequently treated for, depression. They too have spoken of the gradual "lifting" of the spirits which came with the cumulative effects of the medication. It's looking more and more likely that a doctors appointment should be at the top of my To Do list. Thank you for your post, Sozobe.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 10:45 pm
jespah wrote:
Grand Duke wrote:
...The drugs are not as much of a problem as it might appear. If I really wanted to stop, I could stop today. But I dont want to, because getting stoned has been one of the few things I've managed to remain commited to!


Listen to yourself. Do you really think you'd allow anyone else to hand you this kind of a load o' malarkey?

No. You're right, of course. But can you see my problem? Even in the middle of an attempt to sort my life out I have a compulsion to make stupid, off-hand, flippant remarks. I haven't smoked weed for over a week, which originally began because my usual supplier is on holiday, but if I really wanted weed, I could get some from somewhere else within a day or so - but I haven't. Obviously not concrete proof of a lack of addiction, but hopefully a sign that I'm not quite as far down the addiction road as it may at first appear. It feels as if I have been smoking weed almost by default, rather than through compulsion. Although addicts are obviously self-deluding so maybe I would think this whether an addict or not?
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I'm with the others. There are job loss spirals -- I've been in 'em, and I've seen other people in 'em, and it ain't pretty -- but this goes beyond that. And, since you don't have more than a minimum wage job, and you have no savings, I'm thinking there aren't any funds for the next bender, anyway. So, what are ya gonna do? Start knocking over liquor stores? Hey, if you want to screw up your life, you're doing a bang-up job of it. Add in some prison time and you can really be screwed up.

Prison time would, literally, be the death of me. I could not last a week in any prison.
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You're no dope, but I'm gonna spell it out for you, anyway. You cannot afford to be a drug user. Not financially, not socially, not career-wise, not legally, not mentally, no way, no how. Yet you persist. This, my friend, is called an addiction.

Financially, I can - weed is cheap and lasts a long time. I have typically spent less on weed then many women I know spend on cosmetics and shoes. Socially, you are probably right. I have sacrificed nights out with friends for nights in with weed. Only a few of my friends are smokers. Career-wise, also probably true. When faced in the past with a decision to either study for the various qualifications I've started, or get stoned, then there has simply been no choice. Perhaps I should quit weed until I'm retired. Legally, also true, although the UK's drug laws are less harsh than those in the US. For a small amount (up to a 1/4 oz) I would get a caution for a first possession offence, a relatively minor fine (£80-£250) for a second offence, and a month or two in prison for a third offence. Mentally, also correct. For as far back as I can remember, I have been introverted, a dreamer, an escapist and lazy. Combine that with regular weed use and it's tricky to get anything done.
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You cannot fix this yourself. You cannot lean on us to fix it -- we're not there, we're not professionals, we're the folks who get to turn off our PCs and think of other things. But not so with a therapist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've read about how you don't like 'em, yadda yadda yadda whatever -- but go anyway.

Yep, you heard me. Go anyway. If it sucks, go to a different therapist. Keep going and changing if you don't like it. Eventually you will settle on someone. Like soz said before, broken legs don't fix themselves. They need professional healing. Same thing with broken psyches. This isn't being macho and it isn't being mature. This isn't you being too cool for school. This is foolish. Get yourself to a therapist or stop wasting these nice people's time.

So what is the point in anyone posting here in A2K for advice? I read the "My husband looks at porn" topics and wonder why these women have such a hard time accepting that many men like porn. I can never see what their problem is. But I don't think that they are wasting people's time, because it obviously bothers them. What sort of counsellor am I supposed to see? Career counsellor? Drugs counsellor? Life counsellor? I've made the decision to go to my doctor. Counselling will stay on the shelf until I've heard what he has to say.
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And yeah, I know that was harsh. And I'm sorry if it wasn't pretty. But I ain't takin' it back. I consider this to be the job one of anyone who cares about you. You're not going to get any better and nothing is going to change until you see the need to change it and, unfortunately, that often does not happen until rock bottom is hit.

I think I can see the need for change, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered starting this topic, as I've come fairly low as it is, and the only depths to which I have not yet sunk - long-term unemployment, homelessness, crime, prison, suicide attempts - are those from which few return intact. I'm depth enough in the **** to see the bottom, and it's not a place I want to go.

But, despite the negativity which appears to seep from my every post, I thank you sincerely for your help, Jespah.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 10:57 pm
Grand Duke wrote:
Can I ask, Walter, how you changed yourself? Was it a change in circumstances or environment, or is it a mental step that must be taken (or both)?
And thank you for your posts.


I didn't really notice that I changed, to be honest. (From the professional point of view, I did. But I'm writing here from my very own personal).

We didn't sometimes have the money for the rent for the flat and our 'daily bread', but neither I noticed that nor did it bother me, as long as I felt happy - which I mostly did, it seems. And if I felt unhappy, there was always someone to listen to me in various places ... where we got alcohol.

So, my than girl friend throw me (literally, as I'm told) out of the house.
I don't know, when and especially how I arrived at my parents place - being without any money etc - 90 miles away.

Anyway, they didn't didn't know how to handle with me, and so I tried to live on as before.

I went to some professionals than - my psychiatrists wasn't going to help me before I contacting some social-worker. (And I went to this doctor, because I wanted that my parents stopped talking to me, watched my in and outs etc).
And after some weeks, I finally couldn't listen to this social worker anymore: so I phoned him - at about the same time, you wrote your response last night - and told him that I agreed to go to a therapy.
I went there on my own, arrived (only) nearly drunk ... and got a teribel looking kind of epileptical attack after a couple of hours in that hopsital. (Result from not getting alcohol.)
At first, they didn't want me to stay there, but than I somehow convinced them.
I read a book they gave me, and suddenly realised that I could hve been dead since a long time.

So, and this is actually quite surprising, I really decided at that very point to change .... and didn't listen at all to what they told me there.
Which resulted in a very bad prognose.

But it worked for more than 20 years now.
And I studied (again) later, social work this time, to understand more about me getting changed that way (no not really, but one of my sociology profs always warned me about that).

And the very best was that after 13 years not having seen her, I finally married my former girl friend those days ...

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Sorry for this long story. And all the typos. But a) it'a early morning here, and b) I did re-read it :wink:
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 10:59 pm
I'm just going to echo what the others have said and encourage you to see a counselor. Ask your doctor to recommend one...they usually know who the good ones are.

I've dealt with depression quite a few times, so I know how exactly how difficult it is to get over the mental hump of agreeing to counseling. You're right, it isn't easy. (It isn't supposed to be.) But it is absolutely necessary if you're serious about getting yourself up and out of this dark place you're in. Think of it this way...you've already spilled your guts to all of us here on A2K...what's one more?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 11:05 pm
I might add that, of course, this is only the short version of that time.
I didn't tell about
- two times loosing my driving license after accidents (and twice wrecking a car totally before that),
- shop thefts (and getting caught and fined once)
- ... ... ...
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2005 12:45 am
Lady J wrote:
...His real love it seemed was getting high, reading anything that really challenged his mind, watching the History Channel or playing endless hours of computer games. He fell into a deep, deep depression.

It sounds like your son and I have a common history, Lady J. My personal escape is through fiction not history - sci-fi, fantasy, crime & espionage novels are my bag - but the principle is the same: The real world sucks, let's spend as much time as possible "somewhere else".
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...He admitted his own lack of direction stemmed from a combination of depression and lack of challenge and direction.

When I was younger, I also suffered from the lack of a challenge, and when I got older, it was almost the opposite - that everything seemed too challenging because it required hard work, which is something I have not been accustomed to except physical labour, which for some reason I don't mind. It's the "mental" labour which I've never had to do.
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Today, he has now been clean for almost 9 months and is getting ready to join the Warrant Officer Program in the Army. He is no longer the skeleton of the young man who left me, with the dark sunken eyes, the skin the pallor of death grey and there is light, real light shining in his eyes again. He is happy and positive and actually looking forward to his life ahead of him. Like you, Grand Duke, he was also convinced there was literally no point in anything and most of the time thought he would be better off dead. Not anymore.

I have never felt suicidal for more than a moment or two, which I gather most people have felt at some time or other. However, the "dark sunken eyes and skin the pallor of death grey" sounds like me looking in the mirror.
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I'm not saying a military career is the rah rah way for everyone to go. Everyone must choose their own path. I know for my son a lot of his feelings stemmed from fear of success, not failure. With success comes expectations and throughout his life, with his intelligence, people always had great expectations from him. Not just me, but everyone. His teachers, his other family members, even his friends.

I have never had a particular ambition in life. I studied for my A-Levels because I'd got such good grades for my GCSEs and teachers/parents/friends expected that that was what I would do. Same for university - I only went because all my friends were going and it was expected of me by my parents and teachers to go. It also meant I could postpone thinking about my future for another few years, but I never told them that at the time. Even at age 18 the apathy and laziness had reared its head, and at that point I had never even tried smoking weed.
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I'm not suggesting you can or should go the same way. But perhaps you need a time out. Away from everything so familiar, so routine to really, really think about your own expectations instead of others. To think about what YOU really enjoy doing. Don't be afraid of your success, no matter what others think. Live to make yourself happy. Play tough love on yourself if there is no one to do it for you. It takes a lot of courage to be who you want to be and a lot of respect for yourself. I honestly cannot say you can achieve that being high or drunk all the time. Both make it so easy to cop out and say f*ck the world, f*ck everyone and sink deeper into your own comfort zone. By your own admittance you have missed the mark several times. There was a purpose for you doing so and not knowing you, I cannot even begin to guess what that was.

Time-out is certainly on the cards, although I won't be able to actually "go" anywhere due to my dire financial straits. I have little idea what sort of career would make me happy, just a list of stuff I've tried and didn't like. Self-respect, confidence and self-belief are things I have always had little of. As for missing the mark on my previous attempts, I couldn't even guess myself why it happened, other than a series of poor decisions made in an attempt to have an easy life, to follow the path of least resistance.
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Honestly, taking advantage of an impartial counselor is not a bad way to go. They are NOT judgemental, but they may point out some things you don't like hearing. Facing and living with ourselves is sometimes the hardest thing we do in life.

I think I know myself fairly well, warts n' all. This is partially from the only benefit of regular weed smoking - a lot of time spent "inside my head". Part of the problem has been that I can see my virtues alonside my flaws, the two sides constantly fighting each other. I know I can do more with my life, be happier and more fulfilled, but the devil on one shoulder usually has a louder voice than than the angel on the other.
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I wish you the very best, Grand Duke. I truly do. We can all only be here to listen, but the action to change your course must come from you alone. As solitary as that journey is, it is worth it.

I thank you for your son's story, Lady J, and for your advice. Although not likely to happen, I'd like to meet your son. Our histories are certainly similar, but I'm hoping that my future is more like his than the one I am currently heading towards. Thank you again.
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