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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 05:36 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Trump, meanwhile, has posted seven times about Biden since he dropped out of the race. He has ignored Harris.
Yes. I've read those posts and noticed the absence of anything about Harris. Very, very weird. Clearly Trump and those close to him were unprepared for this and he's floundering.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 05:49 am
They went all in on the dangers of an elderly President. That's a bit more problematic given that Trump is now the most elderly nominee ever.

Nikki Haley, January 2024:
Quote:
"Most Americans do not want a rematch between Biden and Trump," Haley said. "The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election."
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 06:32 am
What president ever made a historic announcement to the country that has national security implications on Twitter via a media aide with an obviously digitally altered stamped signature?

No video address?

No sign of life since?

This is a coup.

Who’s behind it?
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 06:36 am
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George Bush did great damage, but he can’t hold a candle to the horrifying murderous misery Genocide Joe has visited on this world.

Six hundred thousand t0 a million violent Iraqi deaths and two trillion dollars of US treasure wasted – I guess somebody doesn't think Iraqi deaths are worth noticing and doesn't care about the wasted money that might have been used to actually fund programs like Medicare for All.

Lash
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 06:41 am
@hightor,
Guess someone thinks generations of ruined families due to Biden’s Three Strikes law, and a strengthening of the Jim Crow Joe apartheid suffered by black Americans isn’t worth calculating in the Biden Misery Index.

They count, though.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 06:41 am
Quote:
This is a coup.

Oh, really? What a predictable, pusillanimous, and pathetic statement.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 06:42 am
@hightor,
You know it’s highly abnormal.
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 07:31 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

What president ever made a historic announcement to the country that has national security implications on Twitter via a media aide with an obviously digitally altered stamped signature?


Trump. He used his personal Twitter account (not the official POTUS account) to make announcements or presidential orders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_use_by_Donald_Trump

If we are talking about an "announcement to the country that has national security implications on Twitter", Trump did fire his national security advisor on Twitter.
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/724363700/trump-fires-john-bolton-in-final-break-after-months-of-policy-divisions

Lash wrote:

This is a coup.

Who’s behind it?


Biden is still in office for 6 more months. He is just not going to run for re-election.

Just say why you think it's a coup and who's responsible. No need to be coy about it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 08:08 am
@Rebelofnj,
I wonder, what definition fits here:
Quote:
Coup
1. A quick, brilliant, and highly successful act.
Synonym: triumph
2. (US, historical, of Native Americans) A blow against an enemy delivered in a way that shows bravery.
3. A coup d'état.
Synonym: putsch
4. (by extension) A takeover of one group by another.
5. A single roll of the wheel at roulette, or a deal in rouge et noir.
6. (bridge) One of various named strategies employed by the declarer to win more tricks, such as the Bath coup.
wiktionary
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 08:33 am
Quote:
You know it’s highly abnormal.

So were the circumstances, FFS.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 09:24 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

Lash wrote:

What president ever made a historic announcement to the country that has national security implications on Twitter via a media aide with an obviously digitally altered stamped signature?


Trump. He used his personal Twitter account (not the official POTUS account) to make announcements or presidential orders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_use_by_Donald_Trump
Lash wrote:
So, Trump is the standard for Democrats now. Ok.
The concern is that this was done against the will of the sitting president—ignoring protocols. People want Biden to show his face and say to a camera that this was his decision. Trying to wave away the obvious oddity of this event after the contradictory back and forth prior to this oddly delivered announcement makes this specific event unprecedented.

If we are talking about an "announcement to the country that has national security implications on Twitter", Trump did fire his national security advisor on Twitter.
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/724363700/trump-fires-john-bolton-in-final-break-after-months-of-policy-divisions

Lash wrote:

This is a coup.

Who’s behind it?


Biden is still in office for 6 more months. He is just not going to run for re-election.
Lash wrote:
If he was forcefully prevented from running again, it is a coup.

Just say why you think it's a coup and who's responsible. No need to be coy about it.
Quote:
It’s obvious why. I have no idea who. Have no worries. I always say what I mean.

Lash
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 09:32 am
You realize whoever runs on the D ticket and who is also not Joe Biden will not be on several state ballots.

I dropped a line to Republicans and Greens to get in courtrooms and enjoy doing to Ds what they’ve so often and so undemocratically done to others so many times.

Justice is sweet.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 09:41 am
Quote:
Lash wrote:
This is a coup.

Who’s behind it?


Totally predictable comment from Lash. Fox news has the story:

Silicon Valley Trump supporter accuses Democratic elites of launching 'coup' against Biden
David Sacks said 'a cabal of party operatives plot to remove' Biden


Former President Donald Trump and his running mate, Senator JD Vance, blasted the Democratic party for leading a “coup” against President Joe Biden during an interview with Fox News Jesse Watters, the clip of which aired Monday morning on Fox & Friends.

Along with various peripheral right wing agents on twitter, facebook etc who, like Lash, are behaving exactly as one should expect.


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thack45
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 09:42 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

You know it’s highly abnormal.

So is six toes on a foot. Is the six-toed foot a coup?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 09:46 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
You realize whoever runs on the D ticket and who is also not Joe Biden will not be on several state ballots.
I'd thought that nominees for president and vice president are not the candidates who are elected on November 5th, but the people running for presidential elector are. (At least legally/technically)

Seems, I still don't understand the US-election system.
thack45
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 09:52 am
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:

I think it's doubtful Trump will debate anyone else. The campaign can create some dubious reason to cry foul.

Salon headline:

Trump is already trying to back out of a debate with Kamala Harris

The former president said the debate, if it happens, should be broadcast by Fox News instead of "very biased ABC"
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 10:00 am
Quote:
Trumpworld Howls Over The Switch From Biden To Harris

Within hours of President Joe Biden withdrawing from the presidential race and endorsing Kamala Harris to run in his stead, Donald Trump had a response: It was all very unfair.

It’s his classic MO, leaning wantonly into personal grievance when nothing else will do. Biden, Trump suggested, was lying about having COVID. The Republican Party, he said, should “be reimbursed for fraud” because it had been so grossly misled.

And, Trump added, he would no longer agree to the terms of the next debate. He’d rather it be held on friendly turf – Fox News – effectively signaling that he’s dropping out of the next debate as currently scheduled.

It was a cacophony of a reaction from one man, but it’s reflective of the broader response on the far right to Harris becoming the likely Democratic nominee. In the hours after Biden announced that he would withdraw, Republicans from Trump on down flailed for a response. Some Republicans expressed anger, while others were visibly baffled by how to react to the shift. Many reacted by suggesting that the shift from Biden to Harris itself was illegitimate, calling the President’s withdrawal from the race a “coup” and proclaiming that they’re actually running against a system, not a candidate.

Trump’s own communications staff seemed caught off guard. Jason Miller, who has helped helm Trump’s PR apparatus since 2016, announced on NBC on Sunday that he had identified a core Harris vulnerability: “She wants to ban plastic straws.”

Sean Hannity, the Fox News host and longtime friend of Trump, appeared to take the cue. In his Sunday evening broadcast, Hannity reminded his audience that Harris had committed to banning the straws, before proclaiming: “I love my plastic straws. I hate paper straws.”

He used that as part of a broader effort during his hour to depict Harris as a far-left radical, as hell-bent on banning the plastic straws cherished by all freedom-loving Americans as she is on joining with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) to enslave Americans in “socialized” health care. Harris, Hannity said, co-sponsored Sanders’ Medicare-for-All bill.

On the non-straw front, Stephen Miller sputtered to Laura Ingraham Sunday night about the unfairness of it all.

“They held a primary!” Miller nearly shouted. “People – they had ballots! They filled out circles that went to the voting booths! They spent money on advertisements, and as President Trump said, the Republican Party spent tens of millions of dollars running against Joe Biden.”

He added: “Now they’ve just woke up one morning and said: ‘Never mind, we’re canceling the entire primary, we’re getting rid of our candidate, and we’re pretending the election has never even happened and we’re gonna let donors handpick a new nominee.'”

The climax of Miller’s outburst here was predictable: He said that having to face off against a new candidate was “as full-frontal an attack on American democracy as we’ve ever seen in the history of America’s major political parties.”

The cacophony of responses wouldn’t be complete without at least some forays into attacks that play into stereotypes around Harris’ African-American ancestry. Kellyanne Conway, another longtime Trump communications adviser, plowed that particular frontier by identifying her own, non-straw and non-Democracy vulnerabilities: Harris, Conway said on Fox News, is lazy and inarticulate.

“She does not speak well,” Conway said. “She does not work hard.”

Some of the reactions on the right at times seem to try to negate a basic reality of what happened on Sunday: Biden withdrew when prompted with concerns that went beyond his own political future. It’s very difficult to imagine Trump making a similar choice that would involve his own disappearance from power and attention.

Vivek Ramaswamy, the erstwhile GOP presidential primary candidate, suggested that the change mattered little because Trump was running “against a system.” Sean Davis, CEO of The Federalist, suggested that someone other than Biden had issued his statement of withdrawal; former senator and current Conservative Partnership Institute chief Jim DeMint argued similarly that it was all part of a grand conspiracy.

All that being said, it’s not as if Harris’ ascendancy was unpredictable. Democrats have spent the past several weeks in agony over Biden’s faltering candidacy, with Harris standing out as a clear potential successor.

Before Biden dropped out, New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) suggested that a Harris candidacy would fundamentally change everything, and that Republicans should be prepared.

“If and when they make the switch, everything is going to change. It’s going to get very close in a lot of those tighter states. There’s going to be more energy.” Sununu said last week at an event hosted by Politico. “I think the Democrat Party would effectively be rewarded, if you will, by independents for saying, ‘Hey none of us liked that whole Biden-Trump ticket to start with.’”

That bolded section reflects quite perfectly the "information" universe Lash lives in and propaganda devices she uses here (and always has).
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 10:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Lash wrote:
You realize whoever runs on the D ticket and who is also not Joe Biden will not be on several state ballots.

She's parroting some right wing voices and she/they are full of ****.

Quote:
Gabriel Sterling@GabrielSterling
3h
So it’s understood, Biden dropping out will not impact Georgia ballots. As the Democrats haven’t had a convention, there is no “nominee” to replace. Trump/Vance will be on the ballot along with Oliver for the Libertarians. Whomever the Democrats nominate will be on as well. (1/2)


To which Marc Elias (lawyer who defeated the MAGA legal fools in more than 60 cases over the last few years and who does know what he's talking about) adds:

Quote:
Marc E. Elias@marceelias
2h
This is true in Georgia and the other 49 states (plus DC). The people spreading false information that the DNC cannot nominate its candidate of choice and have them placed on the ballot are either lying or stupid or both.

thack45
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 10:43 am
@blatham,
We are very much in the 'throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" phase of this monumental upending. But it's odd to see it all come on at once like this; churning new conspiracies, accusations and lies, scrambling to edit the narrative.

One thing I can say is (not really related, but whatever), the prospect of the optics of the DNC is a whole lot sunnier since Biden dipped out. Before, every story coming out it would have been in the context of Biden's "disastrous debate performance" and continuing questions of his capability as a candidate. It's nice at least to have that behind us.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 10:51 am
@blatham,
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...former senator and current Conservative Partnership Institute chief Jim DeMint

Cripes, I forgot all about that cretin.
 

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