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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jul, 2024 11:12 pm
@vikorr,
You're equating "mistrust of government" with Islam? ???

Nowhere in my conversation have I alluded to religion at all.

In fact, pretending that western govt is religious in a Christian perspective isn't even part of the equation, because falsehoods, subterfuge, and deliberate cohesive collusion to confuse and confabulate, are nothing to do with Christian belief systems.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 02:08 am
@Builder,
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You're equating "mistrust of government" with Islam? ???
Keh? I was talking about radicalisation. What ideology is being radicalised is irrelevant - the path to radicalisation has similarities (to re-iterate - regardless of the specific ideology). Those two books just happened to be the ones that helped me see that path - at a time when Islamists radicals were the topic of radicalisation (following that, home grown radicals started growing in numbers, and there are now numerous books on radicalisation).

If it helps in any way shape or form - the two authors are friends. One remained muslim, the other did not. They both have interesting things to say, and together they founded an anti-radicalisation foundation. But the important message is 'how did they end up radicalised?', because it has direct correlations with the radicalisation going on in the US (and to a somewhat lesser extent, around the western world).

No one suddenly decides "You know what, I want to be radical" - they walk a path towards becoming ever more radical.

My 'understanding' of that path is why when everyone here is saying Lash is a troll, my view is she actually believes what she is saying.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 05:38 am
The ex-president is ranting about low water pressure and attacking mundane rules and technologies – and Republicans in Congress are now following his lead.

‘It’s nonsensical’: how Trump is making climate the latest culture war
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At a June rally in Philadelphia, Trump claimed Americans are suffering from “no water in your faucets” when attempting to wash their hands or hair. “You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip,” he said. “You can’t get [the soap] off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer.” Trump complained it takes 45 minutes to wash his “beautiful luxuriant hair” and that dishwashers don’t work because “they don’t want you to have any water”.

Trump’s niche fixation is not new – while in office he complained about having to flush a toilet 10 times and that newer, energy-efficient lightbulbs made him look “orange”. His administration subsequently rolled back efficiency standards for toilets, showers and lightbulbs, rules that Biden subsequently restored.

But Republicans in Congress are now following Trump’s lead, introducing a flurry of recent bills in the House of Representatives targeting energy efficiency standards for home appliances. The bills – with names such as the “Liberty in Laundry Act”, “Refrigerator Freedom Act” and the ‘Clothes Dryers Reliability Act’ – follow a conservative furore over a confected, baseless claim the Biden administration was banning gas stoves, which prompted further GOP legislation.

“No government bureaucrat should ever scheme to take away Americans’ appliances in the name of a radical environmental agenda, yet that is exactly what we have seen under the Biden administration,” said Debbie Lasko, a Republican Congressman and sponsor of the ‘Hands Off Our Home Appliances Act’, which restricts new efficiency rules on appliances and passed the House in May. These bills have no chance of agreement in the Democratic-held senate.

“We are seeing a lot of these advances, like clean cars and more efficient appliances, being swept up into the culture wars,” said Ed Maibach, an expert in public health and climate communication at George Mason University.

“Most Americans’ instincts are that these are good things to have, but it’s clear that Donald Trump and others think there’s political gain in persuading people this isn’t the case. These voters are being fed a story by people they shouldn’t really trust.”

There has been a sharp political divide over the climate crisis for several years in the US, with Trump calling global heating a “hoax” and dismissing its mounting devastation. “It basically means you’ll have a little more beachfront property,” the former president said of the impact of sea level rise last month.

During last week’s presidential debate, Trump boasted, baselessly, he achieved the “best environmental numbers ever” when president and called the Paris climate accords a “ripoff” and a “disaster”. Biden rebuked his rival, saying he didn’t do a “damn thing” about the climate crisis.

Despite this split, there has long been strong bipartisan support across all voters for renewables such as solar and wind, with most of the clean energy jobs and investment unleashed by Biden’s major climate bill flowing to rural, Republican districts. But this is beginning to weaken in the wake of Trump’s attacks, research by Maibach and colleagues has found.

A new poll, released by the Pew Research Center on Thursday, underscored this trend – support for new solar farms has slumped to 78% across all Americans, down from 90% just four years ago. Backing for expanding wind power has dropped by a similar amount, while interest in buying an electric vehicle is significantly lower than a year ago, with just 29% of people saying they would consider an EV, down from 38% in 2023.

This change is being driven by a drop in support among Republican voters, Maibach said, with clean energy and cars on track to become as contentious as global heating is now to many conservatives. “That support for clean energy has been there across Republicans and Democrats for a long time but it is starting to erode,” he said.

“It’s a trend that has been developing for at least the past five years. There is a tug of war going on between what people’s instincts are telling them, and what voices in their trusted community are telling them.”

The wide-ranging blitz on anything seemingly green has been taken up by Republican-led state governments, too, most notably in Ron DeSantis’ Florida, which has erased references to climate change in state law, curbed offshore wind projects and banned lab-grown meat, which has been touted as a more environmentally-friendly alternative to traditional meat.

Meanwhile, rightwing media outlets have echoed Trump’s criticism of electric cars, with commentators on Fox News calling them a “religion” and even claiming, misleadingly, they are fatal in hot weather. “I think this proves that Joe Biden is trying to kill us all by trapping us in these electric vehicles,” Katie Pavlich, a Fox News host, said on The Five show last week.

These attacks may be new but they follow a lengthy Republican tradition of distrusting experts – who in this case are clear that clean energy and electric cars are far healthier for people and the planet than their fossil fueled counterparts – according to Robert Brulle, an environmental sociologist at Brown University.

“There is a long history in the conservative movement of making fun of bureaucrats and experts making us do these nanny state things, like putting handrails on mountain paths or airbags in cars,” Brulle said.

“The message is ‘all these pointy-headed bureaucrats are screwing up our lives’ and Trump is in a way tapping into an old, Reaganist tradition. He’s trying to breed a resentment, which speaks to people’s sense of powerlessness, about how elites are running our lives, making us drive these crappy cars and stopping us from buying an incandescent lightbulb.”

Such a message resonates with Trump’s base but is likely a turn-off among undecided voters, Brulle said. Polling has found a clear majority of American voters want a presidential candidate who will do something about the climate crisis, although there is a clear partisan divide on the issue and global heating is considered by the public a low-ranked priority compared to other concerns, such as inflation and immigration.

“I don’t think this stuff gets Trump much support among independents because it’s nonsensical what he’s saying,” Brulle said. “This is more about trying to mobilize his supporters. The common ground on climate change is already very small, and this just shrinks it further.”
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 06:08 am
@vikorr,
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My view is that she actually believes what she says...but also that she only listens to what she wants to hear / ignores what she doesn't want to hear, leaving her beliefs problematic.
The definitions of all terms, particularly slang terms, is fluid and varied. I'm suggesting that your definition of "trolling" is too limited to be of much practical use and is outside of normal understanding of how it manifests in online political discourse.

I'm also sure she believes a good portion of what she says or claims. But if you restrict your understanding of "troll" to refer only to those who always post insincerely and for some goal of "I'm going to have some fun with these people" your definition misses the great majority of trolling in social media and elsewhere. For example, many or most of the young men who were involved in Gamergate trolling clearly believed that women were inferior creatures but that doesn't exempt them from being properly understood as trolls. What is more important is intentions and posting behaviors. Wikipedia has a quite good piece on the term and I invite you too attend to it Here.

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In slang, a troll is a person who posts deliberately offensive or provocative messages online[1] (such as in social media, a newsgroup, a forum, a chat room, an online video game) or who performs similar behaviors in real life. The methods and motivations of trolls can range from benign to sadistic. These messages can be inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[2] extraneous, or off-topic, and may have the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses,[3] or manipulating others' perception, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur. The behavior is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other people.[4] Trolling behaviors involve tactical aggression to incite emotional responses, which can adversely affect the target's well-being.[5]


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 06:34 am
@Builder,
builder, please. You use right wing fringe sources when you even bother post a source.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 06:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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‘It’s nonsensical’: how Trump is making climate the latest culture war
It is nonsense only insofar as one fails to grasp how profoundly GOP and right wing policies/ideology have been influenced by corporate interests and money, particularly from the fossil fuel sector. Otherwise, it is entirely predictable. In the very early 30s, American philosopher John Dewey said [paraphrasing] about the American political order, "Politics is the shadow cast by business". The recent Supreme Court decision re Chevron is the fruit of an organized and immensely well funded campaign going back to the 1950s to kneecap the government's ability to regulate industry, particularly the oil industry through disinformation and through gaining control of the courts. As I've noted before, Jane Mayer's book "Dark Money" is an extremely valuable source for understanding this story.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 07:19 am
The Lie Democrats Are Telling Themselves

Republicans aren’t the only party putting tribal loyalty ahead of basic truth.

Mark Leibovich wrote:
Since President Joe Biden’s debate debacle on Thursday, I’ve learned two things for sure: first, that Republicans are not the only party being led by a geriatric egotist who puts himself before the country. And second, that Republicans are not the only party whose putative leaders have a toxic lemming mindset and are willing to lead American democracy off a cliff.

I know, I know: Calm down, bed wetter. And how dare you “both sides” this predicament. Republicans and Democrats do not pose equal threats to democracy at this moment, for obvious reasons. Donald Trump’s reelection would be a catastrophe, also for obvious reasons. Biden’s reelection would be something different, but it starts with the only descriptor that matters right now: “unlikely.”

Still, it’s been distressing to watch the response from so many prominent Democrats and others in the anti-Trump coalition—all of whom know better—to Biden’s 90-minute senior moment in Atlanta. Soon after the debate, a deluge of media nuisances (like me) called for Biden to quit the race. But the word quickly went out to Biden surrogates that they were being enlisted, indefinitely, to put a brave face on the president’s face-plant.

“Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know,” former President Barack Obama wrote on X on Friday. Indeed they do, except no one attributed Obama’s bad debate night against Mitt Romney in 2012 to his age or mental decline, and Obama, then 51, went on to achieve a relatively easy victory over Romney.

“Chill the **** out,” Senator John Fetterman, Democrat of Pennsylvania, railed on X, calling out the “Democratic vultures” who were panicking about Biden’s reelection prospects. Fetterman noted that he’d had his own disastrous debate performance during his 2022 Senate race and, like Obama, ended up winning. Left unsaid: Fetterman was recovering from the effects of a stroke. Not a perfect comparison, in other words. (“He has age-related issues,” The New York Times’ Maureen Dowd wrote of Biden on Sunday, “and those go in only one direction.”)

“Everybody, get your head on straight,” Vice President Kamala Harris said during remarks to about 100 donors at the home of Rob and Michele Reiner in Brentwood, California, on Saturday.

This was at a fundraiser attended by a friend of mine who was kind enough to tap some notes into his phone. Guests sipped Aperol spritzes and spicy margaritas. They chewed on sliders, s’mores, churros, and dark scenarios of November. The various hosts and headliners tried to keep spirits raised. Billy Crystal was there, and so was Idina Menzel, who sang “Don’t Rain on My Parade,” from Funny Girl.

The vice president herself remained fully on-script, sheltering her parade of patrons under an umbrella of platitudes. “If we put aside the style points,” the president did fine, Harris said, as if Biden’s performance was just a matter of the suit he wore. “None of that has changed because of one day in June,” she said.

In 2022, I published a book, Thank You for Your Servitude, about how the Republican Party transformed itself during the Trump years into a cult of slavish devotion, working in service to the power and protection of one man. I hesitate to make this analogy because it is imperfect, and because it involves such a tragically unique event, but here goes: Consider how Republicans responded in the aftermath of the January 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol. There was an initial wave of shock and horror, pretty much across the board. A few hours later, though, a big portion of the Republican palace guard was already snapping back into line, led by the 147 GOP senators and representatives who voted against the certification of President-elect Biden’s victory. Republicans trotted out their Big Lie speeches about voter fraud, as if the calamity had never happened.

Again, January 6 and Biden’s debate performance are two extremely different circumstances. But both involve politicians falling quickly into line, ignoring plain realities before them; both show the potent impulse to place tribal loyalty ahead of basic truth. In this case, Democrats are vulnerable to an added note of hypocrisy, because they fashion themselves as the only honest alternative to MAGA. They supposedly are not susceptible to Big Lies of their own.

The debate aftermath has been all the more frustrating because scores of people who are terrified of Trump returning to the White House have for months been urging Biden not to run again, or else pleading with people who hold sway with the 81-year-old president. In recent days, the cries of “do something” have become less of a drumbeat than a jackhammer.

It’s true that many of these cries have come from pundits, podcasters, and so-called bed wetters, as Biden’s palace protectors like to dismiss their doubters and detractors. “I’ll leave the debate rating to the pundits,” former President Bill Clinton wrote on X on Friday. As if majorities of Americans haven’t been saying for years that Biden has no business running for reelection at his age. As if any number of people who have spent time around Biden haven’t been noting signs of decline in the president for months. Fun fact: A lot of these people are the same elected officials, White House aides, and Biden surrogates who have recently been trying to defend the president in front of microphones and cameras.

Today exposed a few cracks in this united Democratic front: Representative Lloyd Doggett of Texas became the first Democrat in Congress to call for Biden to withdraw. Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on MSNBC, “I think it’s a legitimate question to say: Is this an episode or is this a condition?” Pelosi said she had heard “mixed” views on the subject. Senator Peter Welch of Vermont blasted the “dismissive attitude” from Biden’s team in response to questions about the president’s fitness. “That’s the discussion we have to have,” Welch said.

For the most part, though, the top Democrats who might influence Biden’s thinking—Obama, Senator Chuck Schumer, Representative Hakeem Jeffries—have held steady, at least publicly. “Calm down, people” has remained the prevailing message from Biden’s fortified corps of loyalists.

Of all the false comfort that Biden world has been spewing in recent days, perhaps the most absurd came from Representative James Clyburn, the venerable South Carolina Democrat, whose endorsement in 2020 swept Biden to victory in that state and arguably resurrected Biden’s campaign after a disastrous start. Yes, Clyburn allowed, Biden suffered through a “poor performance” in the debate last week. But it was merely “strike one,” he attempted to reassure, adding that “if this were a ball game, he’s got two more swings.”

Of course, by the time Biden’s next big at bats roll around—his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention next month in Chicago; the next debate, scheduled for September—it will be long past time to do anything about it.

And no one’s going to feel better on Election Night if Biden manages to nail his concession speech.

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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 07:34 am
I believe that Biden is competent to perform his job at this time. He's not suffering from full-blown dementia. But I don't like his prospects over the next four years. And I'm not looking forward to the ugly advertising campaign that will ensue over the next few months.

Biden’s Lapses Are Said to Be Increasingly Common and Worrisome

People who have spent time with President Biden over the last few months or so said the lapses appear to have grown more frequent, more pronounced and, after Thursday’s debate, more worrisome.

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In the weeks and months before President Biden’s politically devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta, several current and former officials and others who encountered him behind closed doors noticed that he increasingly appeared confused or listless, or would lose the thread of conversations.

Like many people his age, Mr. Biden, 81, has long experienced instances in which he mangled a sentence, forgot a name or mixed up a few facts, even though he could be sharp and engaged most of the time. But in interviews, people in the room with him more recently said that the lapses seemed to be growing more frequent, more pronounced and more worrisome.

The uncomfortable occurrences were not predictable, but seemed more likely when he was in a large crowd or tired after a particularly bruising schedule. In the 23 days leading up to the debate against former President Donald J. Trump, Mr. Biden jetted across the Atlantic Ocean twice for meetings with foreign leaders and then flew from Italy to California for a splashy fund-raiser, maintaining a grueling pace that exhausted even much younger aides.

Mr. Biden was drained enough from the back-to-back trips to Europe that his team cut his planned debate preparation by two days so he could rest at his house in Rehoboth Beach, Del., before joining advisers at Camp David for rehearsals. The preparations, which took place over six days, never started before 11 a.m. and Mr. Biden was given time for an afternoon nap each day, according to a person familiar with the process.

Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said on Tuesday that “the president was working well before” the 11 a.m. start time each day, after exercising. Still, at a fund-raiser on Tuesday evening, Mr. Biden blamed fatigue for his debate performance. “I wasn’t very smart,” he said. “I decided to travel around the world a couple times, I don’t know how many time zones.” He added: “I didn’t listen to my staff, and I came back and I fell asleep on the stage.”

The recent moments of disorientation generated concern among advisers and allies alike. He seemed confused at points during a D-Day anniversary ceremony in France on June 6. The next day, he misstated the purpose of a new tranche of military aid to Ukraine when meeting with its president.

On June 10, he appeared to freeze up at an early celebration of the Juneteenth holiday. On June 18, his soft-spoken tone and brief struggle to summon the name of his homeland security secretary at an immigration event unnerved some of his allies at the event, who traded alarmed looks and later described themselves as “shaken up,” as one put it. Mr. Biden recovered, and named Alejandro N. Mayorkas.

He is certainly not that way all the time. In the days since the debate debacle, aides and others who encountered him, including foreign officials, described him as being in good shape — alert, coherent and capable, engaged in complicated and important discussions and managing volatile crises. They cited example after example in cases where critical national security issues were on the line.

Aides present in the Situation Room the night that Iran hurled a barrage of missiles and drones at Israel portrayed a president in commanding form, lecturing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by phone to avoid a retaliatory escalation that would have inflamed the Middle East. “Let me be crystal clear,” Mr. Biden said. “If you launch a big attack on Iran, you’re on your own.”

Mr. Netanyahu pushed back hard, citing the need to respond in kind to deter future attacks. “You do this,” Mr. Biden said forcefully, “and I’m out.” Ultimately, the aides noted, Mr. Netanyahu scaled back his response.

This account is based on interviews with current and former White House aides, political advisers, administration officials, foreign diplomats, domestic allies and financial donors who saw Mr. Biden in the last few weeks, sometimes just briefly, sometimes for more extended periods. In most cases, they spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the matter.

White House officials have said the president is in excellent shape and that his debate performance, while disappointing, was an aberration. Kevin C. O’Connor, the White House physician, said as recently as February that despite minor ailments like sleep apnea and peripheral neuropathy in his feet, the president was “fit for duty.” He said tests had turned up “no findings which would be consistent with” Parkinson’s disease. The White House has declined to make Dr. O’Connor available for questions and did not respond to detailed health questions from The New York Times earlier this year.

Responding to questions from The New York Times, Mr. Bates, the White House spokesman, said Tuesday that Dr. O’Connor had found no reason to re-evaluate Mr. Biden for Parkinson’s disease and that he showed no signs of Parkinson’s and had never taken Levodopa or other drugs for that condition.

Aides to Mr. Biden responded to questions for this story by asking several senior advisers to describe their interactions with Mr. Biden.

“He’s inquisitive. Focused. He remembers. He’s sharp,” said Neera Tanden, the president’s domestic policy adviser. In briefings, she said, “he will ask you a tough question and he will say, ‘How does this relate to an average person?’ And if you haven’t thought of that in that time, you have to come back to him.”

Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, the president’s homeland security adviser, recounted a June 17 terrorism briefing for Mr. Biden in the Situation Room in which he “digested an immense amount of information” and asked questions that were “probing and insightful.” She acknowledged that Mr. Biden’s debate performance had been different. “It doesn’t reflect the experience I have with him on a daily basis,” she said.

But by many accounts, as evidenced by video footage, observation and interviews, Mr. Biden is not the same today as he was even when he took office 3½ years ago. The White House regularly releases corrected transcripts of his remarks, in which he frequently mixes up places, people or dates. The administration did so in the days after the debate, when Mr. Biden mixed up the countries of France and Italy when talking about war veterans at an East Hampton fund-raiser.

Last week’s debate prompted some around him to express concern that the decline had accelerated lately. Several advisers and current and former administration officials who see Mr. Biden regularly but not every day or week said they were stunned by his debate performance because it was the worst they had ever seen him.

“You don’t have to be sitting in an Oval Office meeting with Joe Biden to recognize there’s been a slowdown in the past two years. There’s a visible difference,” said Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian. “I’ve been amazed on one hand,” said Mr. Brinkley, who has not seen the president in person in a year. “The president can zip around the country like he does. But the White House may only be showing the Biden they want us to see.”

Mr. Trump, 78, has also shown signs of slipping over the years since he was first elected to the White House. He often confuses names and details and makes statements that are incoherent. He maintains a lighter public schedule than Mr. Biden, does not exercise and repeatedly appeared to fall asleep in the middle of his recent hush money trial. His campaign has released only a three-paragraph health summary. Voters have expressed concern about his age as well, but not to the same degree as Mr. Biden’s.

Mr. Trump has seized on Mr. Biden’s debate performance and called his own often confusing and fact-free appearance that night the “greatest debate performance” in the history of presidential campaigns.

The picture that emerges from recent interviews about Mr. Biden is one of a president under stress — hardly unusual — as he tried to juggle nervous international partners, a recalcitrant ally whose continued war against Hamas was creating yet another threat to a second term and a family crisis with his own son, who was convicted of criminal charges that could send him to prison.

By necessity, it is an incomplete picture. As Mr. Biden has aged, the White House has limited his encounters with reporters. While he frequently stops for a couple minutes to answer a question or two, as of Sunday, Mr. Biden had granted fewer interviews than any president of the modern era and fewer news conferences than any president since Ronald Reagan, according to statistics compiled by Martha Kumar, a longtime scholar of presidential communication.

On the occasions that Mr. Biden has chosen to speak with reporters on short notice, it has not always gone well. In February, he angrily hit back against a special counsel’s report on his handling of classified documents, in which the special counsel, Robert K. Hur, characterized the president as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” The furious president defended himself and his memory to reporters but referred to President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt as the “president of Mexico” in the process. On Monday, House Republicans sued the Biden administration in an attempt to procure audio of Mr. Biden’s interviews with Mr. Hur.

But those 23 days before Mr. Biden met Mr. Trump on the television stage in Atlanta may be viewed by historians as the most critical three weeks in a consequential presidency, as the president faced an opponent he not only loathed, but viewed as an existential threat to American democracy. Were the wandering, inconclusive thoughts broadcast live to more than 50 million viewers just a bad night, a product of the exhausting month, or something larger? Had he not been crisscrossing the globe so frequently — including leaving Italy for a trip spanning nine time zones to a fund-raiser in Los Angeles — would it have made a difference?

Mr. Biden’s trips to Europe were marked by moments of sharpness in important meetings — including a complex session on diverting income from Russian assets to aid Ukraine — mixed with occasional blank-stared confusion, according to people who met with him. At some points, he seemed perfectly on top of his game, at others a little lost.

In Normandy, he met former soldiers brought to France by a veterans’ group. One American who attended said Mr. Biden at times seemed disoriented. During the later ceremony, the president turned away from the U.S. flag when “Taps” was played instead of facing it, possibly to not turn his back to the veterans. Jill Biden, President Emmanuel Macron of France and Mr. Macron’s wife then followed suit.

There was an awkward moment when Mr. Macron made sure the president got safely down the ramp, then came back up to shake all the veterans’ hands. Mr. Biden had been expected to stay for the handshakes, though aides said he was leaving to lay a wreath.

During a meeting the next day with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, Mr. Biden spoke so softly it was almost impossible to hear and said a new burst of aid was meant to reconstruct the country’s electric grid when it was not.

But when it came time for the president’s own speech on D-Day, he delivered it forcefully and clearly, gathering momentum and ending on a vigorous note. It was a reminder that, much like during the State of the Union address earlier in the year, he often rises to big occasions and once he gets the rhythm of a speech, adrenaline appears to kick in.

Age was a running theme throughout the visit to France as the president honored American veterans who were near the century mark.

“Age is just a number,” Hilbert Margol, a 100-year-old who served in World War II, recalled telling Mr. Biden.

“You’re right,” Mr. Biden agreed.

Bill Casassa, 98, who was also honored at the Normandy ceremony and supports Mr. Trump, said he came away with the impression that Mr. Biden was infirm. “He did not appear any different to me in person than he does on television — and that is as a person who is fragile and not really in charge,” Mr. Casassa said.

Another veteran, Marvin E. Gilmore Jr., on the other hand, said he came away with newfound respect for Mr. Biden’s energy. “He greeted me very openly, very warmly and very, very, alert,” said Mr. Gilmore, who plans to vote for him. “There was nothing I saw in him that said he was an old man — and I am 99, three months from being 100.”

After several days in France, Mr. Biden flew home briefly and dealt with the family crisis of his son’s conviction. He hosted an early concert marking the Juneteenth holiday where he was spotted standing stiffly during a musical performance. One person who sat close to the president said that he had a “dazed and confused” expression during much of the event. This person said Mr. Biden had shown a “sharp decline” since a meeting only weeks earlier.

President Biden appeared to freeze up momentarily at a Juneteenth celebration at the White House.CreditCredit...Doug Mills/The New York Times

After just a couple days at home, Mr. Biden turned around and flew back to Europe, this time to Italy for a summit of the Group of 7 leaders. Throughout the meetings, the pattern was the same, according to senior officials who attended.

Mr. Biden, one said, appeared “quite sharp in the meetings,” and was well prepared. He articulated American views. He appeared on his game at a news conference with Mr. Zelensky. But at one point Mr. Biden appeared to wander off from the group of leaders to talk to paratroopers and the Italian prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, came up behind him, and gently brought him back. A clip of the event that went viral had been edited to make it appear Mr. Biden had just walked away. In fact, he was greeting a paratrooper. But the image suggested he needed guidance from his host.

A senior European official who was present said that there had been a noticeable decline in Mr. Biden’s physical state since the previous fall and that the Europeans had been “shocked” by what they saw. The president at times appeared “out of it,” the official said, and it was difficult to engage him in conversation while he was walking.

Ms. Meloni and the other leaders were acutely sensitive to Mr. Biden’s physical condition, discussing it privately among themselves, and they tried to avoid embarrassing him by slowing their own pace while walking with the president. When they worried that he did not seem poised and cameras were around, they closed ranks around him physically to shield him while he collected himself, the official said.

Two administration officials who traveled with Mr. Biden to Italy said it is common for leaders to be guided to the day’s events. They said the hotel where the Group of 7 summit was taking place was a warren of confusing corridors filled with 25 world leaders and their security details. But they said Mr. Biden was articulate and sharp through hours of meetings.

Asked if one could imagine putting Mr. Biden into the same room with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia today, a former U.S. official who had helped prepare for the trip went silent for a while, then said, “I just don’t know.” A former senior European official answered the same question by saying flatly, “No.”

Some White House officials adamantly rejected the suggestion of a president not up to handling tough foreign counterparts and told the story of the night Iran attacked Israel in April. Mr. Biden and his top national security officials were in the Situation Room for hours, bracing for the attack, which came around midnight. Biden was updated in real time as the forces he ordered into the region began shooting down Iranian missiles and drones. He peppered leaders with questions throughout the response.

After it was over, and almost all of the missiles and drones had been shot down, Mr. Biden called Mr. Netanyahu to persuade him not to escalate. “Take the win,” Mr. Biden told the prime minister, without reading from a script or extensive notes, according to two people in the room. In the end, Mr. Netanyahu opted for a much smaller and proportionate response that effectively ended the hostilities.

Mr. Biden left Italy to fly directly to Los Angeles for a star-studded fund-raiser with Hollywood celebrities and former President Barack Obama, stopping back in Washington just long enough for Air Force One to be refueled. Aides pointed to the trip as an example of remarkable stamina for an octogenarian — or for anyone, for that matter.

But Mr. Biden appeared tired during a 40-minute discussion onstage at the event, seated between Jimmy Kimmel and Mr. Obama. A few times, the president stumbled over his words, and when the other men were speaking, Mr. Biden often stared into space, his mouth slightly open, like he would later do at the debate.

Two days after finally returning to the White House, Mr. Biden invited members of Congress, former administration officials and leading immigration experts to the White House to celebrate action taken under Mr. Obama to spare young undocumented immigrants, known as Dreamers, from deportation.

Two people with a clear view of Mr. Biden said his quiet, soft-spoken mumbling and occasional fumbling over the right words despite reading from a teleprompter left some in attendance concerned over his condition. He momentarily appeared unable to say the name of Mr. Mayorkas, his homeland security secretary, before recovering, leaving some in the audience jarred.

“Thanks to all the members of the Congress and Homeland Security Secretary — I — I’m not sure I’m going to introduce you all the way,” said Mr. Biden, who has contended with a stutter since childhood. “But all kidding aside, Secretary Mayorkas.”

While many were celebratory at the event, in which Mr. Biden announced a new program to grant relief to roughly 500,000 undocumented immigrants, some attendees shared their concerns about Mr. Biden’s condition with each other. “People were not feeling great,” one person said. Another person hoped it was just a “one-off” bad moment before Mr. Biden’s forthcoming debate.

Since the debate, Mr. Biden has tried to demonstrate that his trouble articulating himself that evening was not indicative of a larger problem. He gave a robust speech at a campaign rally the next day and attended a string of fund-raisers where he hoped to reassure nervous donors.

“He gave a strong speech, he didn’t stumble or mumble or look confused in any way,” said Judith Hope, the former chair of the New York State Democratic Party, who attended a fund-raiser in East Hampton on Saturday. “He was his old Uncle Joe self.”

Ms. Hope attributed the president’s debate troubles to his demanding schedule. “Are you aware of where he has been in the past seven days?” she said, raising her voice. “He continues to keep up a schedule that I could never dream of doing, that would totally defeat a younger person,” she added. “I think we need to examine our expectations.”

nyt
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 05:23 pm
@vikorr,
Doesn't matter if she's a true believer or not, she uses lies and innuendos from highly suspect sources to push her agenda. She uses antisemitism to make her Gaza points.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 06:19 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

That's right.

I'm too frightened to point out Israel's behaviour.

My posts show a slavish devotion to the IDF.

You really are clutching at bloody straws.

The Rothchilds are one of many banking dynasties, but the only one that is Jewish, which is why they're the only ones Nazis mention.

I'm not afraid of pointing out that your far right antisemitic ideology is glaringly obvious despite how many layers of rainbow paint you try to daub all over it.


Remarkably, she feels no embarrassment......at all.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 09:07 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Criticism of Israel, Mossad, or AIPAC doesn’t equate with antisemitism.
I criticize them enthusiastically.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 10:11 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
she uses lies and innuendos .... to push her agenda
My experience is that almost everyone does this, and that they do such because they believe in a particular idea or value that they want to champion or want accepted. It is only the degree that differs.

When you step back and count how many inconsistencies they have to overlook, that is when you get an idea of how dedicated they are to the belief, and how extreme they are about the belief (as the middle ground considers all sides in any issue)
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 10:23 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
My 'understanding' of that path is why when everyone here is saying Lash is a troll, my view is she actually believes what she is saying.


My understanding of what she is saying, is that her detractors attack her on a personal level, rather than address her shared information.

They were all rabid supporters of Joe Biden, until he completely destroyed his public persona last week, and now backpedaling, and wondering who his replacement might be.

Try questioning their methodology, and their opinionated responses, for a change.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2024 10:53 pm
I may agree with Lash from time. Other times, I may not.

You should all know that I met her years ago when she passed through Albuquerque and met up with Dyslexia. We even had a few phone calls around that time, especially when I was hospitalized. Haven't talked with her in years, but like her quite well.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2024 12:02 am
@Builder,
I agree there are a lot of personal attacks on her. That is what moderators are for...although they seem to be particularly inactive on this board. If it helps any, my belief is 'how you handle conflict is a reflection of who you are as a person'.

While I treat each thing Lash says on its own merits (from time to time I agree with something she says), unfortunately I find many of her posts to be highly problematic. I've gone into detail about those problems before, so I don't think it needs to be re-iterated in this post.
Quote:
Try questioning their methodology, and their opinionated responses, for a change
I already have a long history of doing this, though it is usually only consistently poor logic that I give any extended time to.

The last challenge to others was in fact was on this very page, here. And if you are actually interested, you can always look through my history.
Builder
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2024 12:47 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
And if you are actually interested, you can always look through my history.


I appreciate your input here, and understand what you're up against.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2024 07:20 am
@Lash,
But you don't criticise the Koch brothers, or the Barclays.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2024 07:47 am
@izzythepush,
They don't have a Jewish heritage, so not on Lash's radar.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2024 08:32 am
@izzythepush,
There are no more Koch brothers.

One may still be living though he must be about 150 years old.
But, you should really condemn me for never hearing of these dastardly Barclays, whoever tf they may be.

I’m going to have to see your condemnation and swat you with a triple dog condemnation for never condemning the Fauntleroys.

Consider yourself condemned with prejudice.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2024 08:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Right now, the biggest problem my country has is the utter control of our elected lawmakers by Israel via AIPAC.

AIPAC is a foreign agent—& as such, should at least register so. They refuse and they get preferential treatment in this area and many more.

I’m not ashamed to tell these facts—I am, however, ashamed that this is the death knell of what seemed like a pretty promising experiment. This is how America fails. Thoroughly bribed and sold out.

Yay Capitalism.
 

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