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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 09:00 am
Why Do Documents Marked Secret Keep Showing Up in Strange Places

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There is much we still do not know about President Biden’s stash of secret documents, but one thing is painfully obvious: The system for protecting secrets vital to national security has spun out of control. The question is why.

No one should be surprised that documents marked secret keep showing up in strange places. Last July, the government’s own watchdog in charge of managing systems for protecting “national security information,” Mark Bradley, reported that this office decided to stop trying to count how many secrets the government created each year: “We can no longer keep our heads above the tsunami.”

No doubt partisan Republicans and Democrats will continue insisting that it is the other side that has recklessly endangered national security — when they are not insisting that “there’s nothing to see here” or claiming a partisan witch hunt that just serves to distract from what they call real issues (as Hillary Clinton did).

But how many more of these scandals need to explode before we recognize that there is a deeper problem, one that we cannot begin to solve unless we come together as a country and confront it head on?

This problem is not some “deep state,” conspiring in the shadows in defiance of our elected leaders. It’s true that many people profit from the current system, which costs over $18 billion a year — as of 2017, the last time Mr. Bradley’s office publicly guessed at a total — and allows countless unnamed bureaucrats to evade democratic oversight. Those involved in this system include even presidents, who have resisted almost any congressional oversight or judicial review in determining whether information should be classified or made public.

The president’s almost exclusive authority over determining what constitutes national-security information and who can have access to it is unlike anything else in American politics: a form of power that is fully sovereign, with almost no effective checks or balances. No wonder it has proved so intoxicating. Donald Trump’s refusal to release the classified documents he held at Mar-a-Lago — even after being warned that he was breaking the law — is just an extreme case of this powerful addiction, one that Joe Biden, after serving as vice president, may have struggled with as well.

This is not a new problem. Presidents since Teddy Roosevelt (and sometimes even before) have tried to manage what Americans know about what presidents do. And almost every one has had the same message: They will be much more forthcoming than their predecessors. But then they go on to betray these promises.

Woodrow Wilson campaigned in 1912 on the proposition that “there ought to be no place where anything can be done that everybody does not know about.” But he presided over vast new systems for surveillance and censorship, and negotiated the Treaty of Versailles behind closed and guarded doors.

Franklin Roosevelt, like his distant cousin Teddy before him, was a master of public relations, and both Roosevelts made themselves unusually available for media appearances. But they also believed deeply in secrecy, and Franklin Roosevelt delighted in compartmentalizing “top secrets” even within his own administration. Harry Truman was a famous straight talker, yet even when he expanded his predecessor’s security classification system, he claimed it would make more rather than less information available. Dwight Eisenhower curtailed the number of agencies that could create secrets and eliminated the catchall “restricted” classification. His own Defense Department found these changes made little difference, and the problem of overclassification kept growing.

Not to be outdone in making himself available to journalists demanding more transparency, Lyndon Johnson famously lifted his shirt to show the scar across his belly from a gallbladder operation. But behind the scenes, he was contemptuous of the Freedom of Information Act and quietly sabotaged it.

Secrecy has a power all its own. It enables executive branch officials to classify and thereby conceal not just dangerous information that could threaten national security but also many things they simply prefer to hide from the public — that could include elite cynicism, managerial incompetence or military insubordination. This national secrecy complex would best be described as a dark state — much of it hidden from us, even decades after the fact, and used to cover up too many shameful things in our history, including illegal surveillance, radioactive experimentation on children and the elderly, and a whole series of undeclared wars.

Even Richard Nixon agreed on the need to “lift the veil of secrecy which now enshrouds altogether too many papers written by employees of the federal establishment.” But the executive order he issued was really intended to consolidate control of this apparatus within the White House, by reducing the number of people allowed to create new secrets, limiting the number classified at the highest levels and “automatically” declassifying the secrets produced by previous administrations. But Mr. Nixon all but gave up on trying to control runaway inflation in official secrecy and struggled to come up with some new term to distinguish the president’s own secrets. “Don’t use ‘top secret’ for me ever again,” he told John Ehrlichman. “I never want to see ‘top secret’ in this [expletive] office.”

Even the presidents credited with truly trying to reform the system — Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama — presided over tremendous growth in the number of new secrets created each year. Seeking a new way to categorize the most sensitive information, like Mr. Nixon before him, Mr. Carter tried a new designation: “royal.”

Mr. Trump was the first president after World War II not to issue a new order regulating the government’s system for secrecy. He came into office railing against the deep state and government surveillance, but he kept Mr. Obama’s secrecy policies in place and made a habit of tearing up presidential papers into tiny pieces. Mr. Biden promised “a recommitment to the highest standards of transparency.” But his administration has not given policymaking in this area much more priority than did the Trump administration. After his first year, advocacy groups were unable to find anyone in the White House who was even working on the issue.

Presidents want to have their cake and eat it, too. Through executive orders, they manage what the American people get to learn about “national security,” but they also try to create the appearance of being transparent and honest, deserving of public trust. They reveal information — including classified information — to bend issues to their advantage either overtly, using the “bully pulpit,” or covertly, through authorized leaks. And they fight off attempts by Congress or the courts to rein in overclassification.

Real reform will not come from tinkering with rules and regulations that, over and over again, officials have found ways to break or ignore. Instead, Congress must use the power of appropriations to make transparency a priority. Declassification has received less than 1 percent as much funding as “information security.”

A rule with real teeth would require departments and agencies to match spending on public relations and advertising — in the case of the Pentagon, some $600 million a year — with spending on reviewing and releasing formerly secret information to the public. And courts could finally overturn the infamous 1953 United States v. Reynolds precedent — cited over 800 times, typically to deny Freedom of Information Act appeals — in which federal officials fraudulently claimed that a judge could not even look at a classified document without endangering national security.

Judges could show some independence. In the end it may be necessary to create an independent agency, analogous to the Federal Reserve, that takes sovereign control over secrecy away from the president. It would have a mandate to prevent inflation in official secrecy while protecting truly dangerous information.

Otherwise, we will go on living in a political environment that both avoids accountability and endangers national security. By insisting they can control this dark state and stopping external challenges, presidents have allowed it to run amok — to the point that even a sitting president is being investigated by his own Justice Department and an ex-president still faces the threat of prosecution.

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snood
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 09:31 am
Trump intentionally stole those hundreds of documents. He bragged about it, then lied about it, then refused to comply and turn them in to the point that his residence had to be involuntarily searched under subpoena and the documents seized.

Trump’s situation with evident intent to wrongfully take, keep and conceal classified documents is completely separate and different from all those situations that journalists seem to want to conflate into some general state of disorganization with government documents.

I wish they’d stop doing that ****.

Trump’s crimes against the nation are unprecedented.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 09:48 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Saying that Garland has not done his job is not exactly villianizing him.

If I said he was doing something out of some evil motives or that he was part of some kind of nefarious plot to protect Trump, that would be villanizing him.

I’ve said he is not equal to the task of holding a popular ex-president accountable for acts of sedition. I’ve said that he’s chicken hearted.

I am not alone in the assessment that he is a lesser man than was needed.

You say I’m villianizing him. I say you’re blindly defending someone because he represents an institution you want to believe in.

I think I understand the reason you’re doing it. You, like a whole lot of (mostly older, white) people simply cannot face the ugly truth that there are separate systems of justice - one for citizens without significant agency, and one for connected assholes like Donald Trump.

It would just too badly disturb your sense of equilibrium to accept that Merrick Garland is just doing what the justice system has always done for Donald Trump… bury his cases in bureaucracy and look the other way.



Have a great 2023, Snood.

I am not an entitled individual. Fact is, I have lived at the poverty level for the vast majority of my life. Yeah, I am white...and I acknowledge that matters.

You say you have not villainized Garland...but you did say that he has failed the American people. To me...that comes close enough to say that you have.

My opinion is that Garland IS doing his job. This is a monumental undertaking...and I want him to do it correctly...not quickly. From what I have heard and read...there is damn near no way to do it both correctly and quickly. And while I want Trump to face justice for what he has done to our Republic, if DoJ decides the will not prosecute him, I will accept their judgement.

There is almost no way my feelings on this matter will be a winner. If we prosecute him and he is found GUILTY (a possible outcome) we will have done serious damage to our nation...and you can almost count on childish retribution from the GOP in the future. If we prosecute him and he is found NOT GUILTY (a possible outcome) we will still have done even greater damage to our nation. Such an outcome will be near fatal. If we do not prosecute him (also a possible outcome)...we will do SERIOUS damage to our nation.

Everything about this SUCKS.

I want Garland and his staff to think this thing out VERY CAREFULLY...and then act.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 09:49 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I think I understand the reason you’re doing it. You, like a whole lot of (mostly older, white) people simply cannot face the ugly truth that there are separate systems of justice - one for citizens without significant agency, and one for connected assholes like Donald Trump.


I CAN face that ugly truth...and I do.

You are correct that it exists...and I acknowledge that it does.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 09:55 am
@snood,
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Trump’s crimes against the nation are unprecedented.

Absolutely. No one's accusing Biden of stealing and stonewalling though – the Republicans are trying to set up the two situations as similar events and leave it to the public to reach a particular conclusion. By drawing attention to the general state of disorganization these journalists are providing the public with an explanation as to how classified documents are often unintentionally mishandled, drawing a clear contrast with Trump.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 10:05 am
@Frank Apisa,
Being disappointed in someone because of perceived incompetence or timidy is not villainising someone.

Neville Chamberlain's place in history is not that of a villain.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 11:08 am
I think a part of the divergence in our opinions on this subject of whether or not Garland is doing what he is supposed to do sometimes hinges simply on the tone of the criticism. I think there's squeamishness when I lodge my disapproval without trying to be polite.
Please watch and listen to Elie Mystal express what he thinks about the job Garland is doing. Mystal is an attorney and the justice correspondent for The Nation. He is also a constitutional scholar who wrote the NY Times bestseller book Allow Me to Retort: A Black Guy's Guide to the Constitution (I read it WHILE listening to Mystal's reading on Audible)

I'd like to hear what you think (Unless of course, it's just that you think Elie needs to tone it down):



Mame
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 11:31 am
@snood,
I think he's absolutely spot on and I really don't understand why Garland is not doing his job. I am not familiar with the personalities but it stands to reason that if you have a job to do, then bloody do it. Why isn't he, do you think?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 11:54 am
@snood,
snood wrote:


I think a part of the divergence in our opinions on this subject of whether or not Garland is doing what he is supposed to do sometimes hinges simply on the tone of the criticism. I think there's squeamishness when I lodge my disapproval without trying to be polite.
Please watch and listen to Elie Mystal express what he thinks about the job Garland is doing. Mystal is an attorney and the justice correspondent for The Nation. He is also a constitutional scholar who wrote the NY Times bestseller book Allow Me to Retort: A Black Guy's Guide to the Constitution (I read it WHILE listening to Mystal's reading on Audible)

I'd like to hear what you think (Unless of course, it's just that you think Elie needs to tone it down):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PeFr-RSM0[/youtube]




I almost never view videos posted, but I did view this one, Snood. Elie Mystal is a favorite of mine on MSNBC. He always has insightful comments. He has very strong opinions on matters that black Americans consider to be particularly important to them...and he delivers them in a way that screams, "If you don't like the way I am talking about this topic, tough ****. This is how I feel about it!"

In my opinion, that is to his credit. I often feel that same way...and on those few occasions when one of my Older American Male White Conservative playing partners makes the mistake of bringing up politics on the golf course, I offer my opinions in the same spirit.

With that as background: On this issue, I consider Mystal to be wrong.

He and I (as with you and I) simply have a difference of opinion on what Garland is doing and how he is doing it. You and he may be right that our difference is the result of a lack of appreciation for the differences between the way certain people are treated differently in our society from others, but (extending our disagreement) I think that is not truly the case. I acknowledge I may be wrong on that. I cannot really put myself into the mindset of an oppressed people, whether it be Black, Jew, Female, Immigrant or such.

Your feelings towards Merrick Garland are yours...and you have a right to them...just as (for instance) Paul Gosar's feelings toward Dr. Anthony Fauci are his...and he has a right to them.

I just disagree with them (in your case, hopefully respectfully).
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 12:49 pm
I think they’re finding out that insurrectionists who are unarmed aren’t insurrectionists.
That almost every rally speech by all politicians includes the word ‘fight’.
That the group was infiltrated and driven by members of the COINTELPRO spy community, which has been working with Democrats and other covert agencies—as they worked together creating RussiaGate, suppressing news that countered their preferred narrative—to set up the J6 situation.
That the fact this group was allowed into the building negates a lot of charges.
That again the presence of government spooks infiltrated negates a lot of charges.
That a covert plot and illegal surveillance of a sitting president likely takes precedence over J6 related charges.

But, what do I know.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 01:52 pm
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I think they’re finding...

Who are "they"?
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That almost every rally speech by all politicians includes the word ‘fight’.

There's a difference between addressing a typical rally in a convention center and working up an armed angry mob in D.C. intent on confronting Congress.
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That the group was infiltrated and driven by members of the COINTELPRO spy community, which has been working with Democrats and other covert agencies—as they worked together creating RussiaGate, suppressing news that countered their preferred narrative—to set up the J6 situation.

That's a big stinking pile of unproven speculation unsupported by facts on the ground. There was no "RussiaGate" – Russia really did try to interfere in the '16 election; it's been shown repeatedly.
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That the fact this group was allowed into the building negates a lot of charges.

"Allowed"? So that's why they broke down doors and smashed windows with anything they could get their hands on?
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That again the presence of government spooks infiltrated negates a lot of charges.

Except no presence of government "spooks" has been established. Is Roger Stone a government agent? Enrique Tarrio? Stewart Rhodes?
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That a covert plot and illegal surveillance of a sitting president likely takes precedence over J6 related charges.

It's pretty telling that the only way to salvage the MAGA movement is to pose a fanciful counter-conspiracy to sell to the true believers and get Trump assets to spread lies.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 02:23 pm
Biden intentionally stole those hundreds of documents. He left them in a garage that his coke head son claimed he was paying rent on at the time. Close to 50K a month for young Biden to rent dad’s house (the one with critically classified documents in an easily accessible garage that anyone who wanted to access had access to. Anyone.) (key word stem: access)

A president has the right of declassification, but as VP, Biden did not. Biden kept caches of classified documents for 6 years. This information was suppressed through an election—an egregious lie of omission to the American people, an affront to democracy. But when you have the media and spy agencies running cover for you, you’re above the law.

Tl;dr: Orange man bad: Biden & Co., treason.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 02:26 pm
I think we’ll be getting a good investigation. Stay tuned.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 02:30 pm
@Lash,
Total bullshit.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 02:35 pm
@Lash,
Lash, are you ok?
Seriously, I know you and I don’t exactly mesh here, but you’re posting stuff that’s just totally made-up.
Biden intentionally stole hundreds of documents? Nobody is saying that anywhere.
I mean, what are you doing?
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 03:20 pm
@snood,
Her posts have been getting weirder and weirder by the week. I think she's having a meltdown and should find a hobby to take her mind off politics. She needs a break in a bad way.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 03:24 pm
She had a pretty good handle on the Paul Pelosi incident, though.
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 04:00 pm
@hightor,
Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 04:14 pm
You know, we never saw footage of anyone breaking in or the video that would clear up the multiple stories about who answered the door.

Also, for a bash in the head with a hammer, he looked like he was having a blast… what? within a week after that horrifying injury?

Those were the only two discrepancies I wanted cleared up.

Everything around that unexplainable conflicting narrative was bizarre—-and just like that—-silence.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2023 04:17 pm
@snood,
I used your template for your accusations about Trump a few posts previous.
How can you see one as completely nefarious and one as completely innocent?
Trying to jolt someone into reality.
 

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