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Mame
 
  2  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 11:42 am
@hightor,
Yes, it sounds as if he's already agreed to some that would render him virtually useless. Your last idea would be ideal. Maybe it'll come to that.
Mame
 
  2  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 12:05 pm
@Mame,
CNN

After suffering yet another stinging defeat on Wednesday, in which he lost a sixth round of voting for House speaker, Kevin McCarthy proposed more key concessions in his push to get 218 votes – including agreeing to propose a rules change that would allow just one member to call for a vote to oust a sitting speaker, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
...

McCarthy’s latest concession would be a significant win for hardline conservatives – after the California Republican had already proposed a five-member threshold, down from current conference rules that require half of the GOP to call for such a vote. But many more moderate members had been concerned about giving in to the far-right on this matter since it could weaken the speakership and cause chaos in the ranks.

In two more concessions, the sources said, he’s also agreed to allow for more members of the Freedom Caucus to serve on the powerful House Rules Committee, which dictates how and whether bills come to the floor, and to vote on a handful of bills that are priorities for the holdouts, including proposing term limits on members and a border security plan.

Nothing is final, however, since the negotiations are ongoing. And Republican sources say that even if McCarthy’s offer is accepted, it would still not get him the 218 votes he needs to be speaker. While these concessions could attract some new support, other opponents have raised different concerns that have yet to be fully addressed.
snood
 
  1  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 01:01 pm
@izzythepush,
Google is my friend 🤣
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 07:49 pm
One person should not have that much power over the business of the people. Pelosi was able to stop a lot of floor votes against the will of the people in order to serve her paymasters.

No one person has that much power in a democracy.

I listened to an interview with the architect of this democratic rebellion—and I was in agreement with most of their demands.

You’ll never hear anything about this in the propaganda we call US mainstream media.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 07:50 pm
@Lash,
Who would’ve thought Republicans would be more democratic than Democrats?





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Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 08:01 pm
@Mame,
At this point, it would be easier for the Democrats to convince 6 Republicans to vote for Jeffries, just to end this nonsense. McCarthy is continuing to show his poor leadership skills by giving in the the demands of the 20 representatives and still losing 10 times in 3 days.
joe 2nation
 
  3  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 08:30 pm
@Lash,
Which of those unnamed demands are you most in favor of? The one that says it will only take FIVE Members to raise an attempt to remove a Speaker?? Five out of 435, very democratic indeed.
What else?
BTW the Speaker of the House has always had the ability to stop floor votes. How was Pelosi worse at that than others? Which paymasters? Do you ever speak in specifics?

Who was the architect of this democratic rebellion?
Architects usually build things, this seems more like a demolitionist, right?

Joe(What size is their monkey wrench? ) Nation
snood
 
  1  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 08:51 pm
@joe 2nation,
Glad to have you back, Joe Nation.
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 09:40 pm
@joe 2nation,
joe 2nation wrote:

Which of those unnamed demands are you most in favor of? The one that says it will only take FIVE Members to raise an attempt to remove a Speaker??
Quote:
Democracy focuses on the equality of each voter’s voice. How many dissenters did Pelosi require to challenge her decisions? How many duly elected representives from around this enormous country do you think it should take to challenge the control of ONE person? Remember how many American citizens EACH CONGRESS MEMBER REPRESENTS.


BTW the Speaker of the House has always had the ability to stop floor votes. How was Pelosi worse at that than others?
Quote:
She changed the rules to give herself much more power than one ordinary individual should have in a democracy.


Who was the architect of this democratic rebellion?
Quote:
So, you don’t know?

Architects usually build things, this seems more like a demolitionist, right?
Quote:
A democracy was being fashioned into authoritarianism, but it’s being redesigned to serve the people.


Joe(What size is their monkey wrench? ) Nation

You don’t even know what they’re holding out for because the mainstream media won’t tell you.
Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 09:43 pm
@Rebelofnj,
But, YOU are winning. Pelosi made herself much too powerful in a democracy than any one person should be.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2023 10:01 pm
It's almost as if the Republican Party decided to do a production of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest for America's viewing pleasure.
Quote:
Right-wing media lash out at Fox News over its coverage of the House speaker vote

...Newsmax’s Benny Johnson said Hannity’s “schtick” is to be “the Praetorian Guard of the establishment,” and called his on-air disagreement with Boebert “embarrassing,” because Johnson said McCarthy can’t win. [Newsmax, The Benny Report, 1/5/23]
On former Trump aide Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast, right-wing radio host John Fredericks accused Fox News of being “a 24/7 shill for Kevin McCarthy. That’s all they are. They’re not even reporting the news.” [Real America’s Voice, War Room, 1/5/23]
Bannon said that Boebert “bench-pressed Hannity” during her interview and that “it was embarrassing.” [Real America’s Voice, War Room, 1/5/23]
Bannon also claimed that Fox News is “out to crush” and “destroy” members of Congress who do not support McCarthy for speakership. [Real America’s Voice, War Room, 1/5/23]
During his show Outside the Beltway, Fredericks said that Fox News is full of “fakers” who have been “lying to you forever” and that the network is “a money-making machine” which “was a shill for McCarthy.” [Real America’s Voice, Outside the Beltway with John Fredericks, 1/5/23]
On OAN, white nationalist podcaster Stew Peters claimed that Fox News and its personalities are “melting down” over the speaker vote. [One America News Network, In Focus with Addison Smith, 1/4/23]
The Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft called out Fox’s “controlled opposition,” which he said “came completely unglued” following Tuesday’s votes, as McCarthy had been “hand-picked by failed former Speaker and FOX News board member Paul Ryan before he left office.” [The Gateway Pundit, 1/4/23]
Hoft also wrote that Hannity “jumped the shark” when he launched a “full frontal assault” on Boebert “for not supporting Kevin McCarthy.” [Twitter, 1/4/23]
Infowars host Owen Shroyer called Rep. Michael Lawler (R-NY) “a new swamp creature” and mocked him for “hemming and hawing” and “stumping for McCarthy on Fox News.” [Infowars, The Alex Jones Show, 1/4/23]
BlazeTV host Chad Prather complained that the “Fox News talking heads continue to shill for the GOP do-nothing establishment.” [Twitter, 1/5/23]
Michael Quinn Sullivan, publisher of right-wing blog Texas Scorecard, replied to Prather’s tweet, writing, “Fox News is now WORSE than CNN and MSNBC, because the Fox crew knows better.” [Twitter, 1/5/23]
Turning Point USA ambassador Alex Lorusso tweeted “Hannity is insufferable” following Boebert’s appearance on his show. [Twitter, 1/4/23]
Right-wing host Todd Starns described Fox as “the propaganda wing of the McCarthy team.” [Twitter, 1/4/23]
Anti-Muslim activist Brigitte Gabriel tweeted: “It’s pathetic to hear all the Fox News talking heads blaming and attacking the 20 Members of Congress opposing McCarthy.” [Twitter, 1/4/23]
Former Newsmax host Emerald Robinson called Fox & Friends hosts “uniparty swamp rats” over their support for McCarthy. [Twitter, 1/5/23]
Right-wing personalities the Hodgetwins also attacked Fox and Friends for “calling people INSURRECTIONISTS if they don’t support Kevin McCarthy for speaker.” [Twitter, 1/5/23]
Women for Trump co-founder Amy Kremer tweeted that it was “sad to see” how Hannity treated Boebert on Fox News and that “she should be shown some respect.” [Twitter, 1/4/23]
Hate preacher Greg Locke, who spoke at the January 5 “Rally for Revival” in Washington the night before the January 6 attack, tweeted, “The only difference between the corruption of CNN and Fox News is their logo.” [Twitter, 1/5/23]
Conspiracy hub National File called Hannity “a LYING BULLY. Just like Kevin McCarthy.” [Twitter, 1/5/23]
Right-wing podcaster Mike Crispi called Hannity “a hack” and a “sellout.” [Twitter, 1/4/23]
HERE
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 04:21 am
Quote:
After 11 ballots, the Republicans remain unable to elect a speaker and thus unable to organize the House. 

After passing comprehensive laws on a wide range of issues with a similarly small House majority under Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) during the last Congress, the Democrats remain united behind Hakeem Jeffries. They have delivered 212 votes for him 11 times. 

The contrast is stark. 

Throughout the day, the allies of Republican leader Kevin McCarthy (CA) negotiated with the 20 extremists who refuse to back him, apparently offering them more and more power to win their votes. McCarthy has allegedly agreed to their demand that a single person can force a vote to get rid of the speaker, a demand that puts him at their mercy and that he had previously insisted he would never accept. He has also apparently offered members of the hard-right Freedom Caucus two spots on the House Rules Committee, which decides how measures will be presented to the House, and given them control over appropriations bills. He is also said to be considering letting them choose committee chairs, jumping over those with seniority. 

This will not sit well with the rest of the conference. Lawyer and Washington Post columnist George Conway wrote, “I’m no political scientist, but it does strike me that a guy who negotiates by giving stuff up and and getting nothing in return probably wouldn’t make a good leader of a legislative body.”

If McCarthy does eventually win the speakership, he will have empowered a small group of extremists to control the House, and the next two years will be a constant fight as this tiny minority can hamstring the government. One of the extremists, Ralph Norman (R-SC), who wanted Trump to declare martial law in 2021 in order to retain the White House, said that McCarthy will get his vote only if he agrees not to raise the debt ceiling and will instead shut down the government and default on the national debt. 

Bulwark podcast host Charlie Sykes told Alex Wagner Tonight, “There is no Republican establishment…. [W]hoever becomes the speaker is going to preside over the chaos that has been building for years. He or she is going to be the mayor of Crazytown.”

As the Republicans look incompetent and irresponsible, and will almost certainly make sure nothing much gets done in the 118th Congress, President Joe Biden is working to make sure people understand just how much the Democrats got done in the past two years.

At a cabinet meeting today, he told reporters that the country has made real progress and that the administration is now focusing on implementing the recently passed “big laws” so Americans feel the benefits of them. He noted that the $35 cap on the cost of insulin for those on Medicare went into effect only this year, along with other medical benefits like free vaccines for Medicare recipients. He also pointed out new tax credits for making homes energy efficient, and noted that government officials need to get the message out that the laws are out there. 

Biden talked about both public and private investment in manufacturing, which will create jobs, and his conviction that the administration’s approach to building the economy from the bottom up is “off to a pretty darn good start.” 

In a later set of remarks, the president and Vice President Kamala Harris explained that with Republicans having scuttled the bipartisan agreement on revising immigration laws that senators were working on in the last Congress, the administration is also stepping up to address the influx of migrants to the border. Today it announced new measures.

Biden explained that, currently, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, and Haitians make up a large percentage of those trying to come to the U.S. across the southern border, while the patchwork system of different rules at the border, along with the lack of asylum officers, means the system is broken. Former president Trump used Title 42, the public health rule, at the start of the pandemic to reject most migrants, but that rule imposes no penalties on those trying repeatedly to get into the country, significantly inflating the numbers of people apprehended at the border. 

So, until Congress passes a comprehensive immigration plan to fix the system completely, the administration is working to stiffen enforcement for those who come to the U.S. without a legal right to stay, and also to speed up the process for those who do have that right. Those seeking asylum can use an app to request a humanitarian exemption to Title 42, and once the rule is lifted, can use the app “to schedule a time to present themselves at a port of entry for inspection and processing, rather than arriving unannounced at a port of entry or attempting to cross in-between ports of entry.”

Others can apply for admission if they have a U.S. sponsor, and then pass a background check, at which point they can enter the U.S. to work legally for two years. The U.S. will welcome 30,000 people a month from these four countries. But here’s the kicker: if they try to enter the U.S. without that paperwork, they are barred from entry in the future. 

Since the U.S. applied this program to Venezuelans in October, undocumented crossings of Venezuelans have dropped about 90%. The administration is now expanding the program to include people from Cuba, Nicaragua, and Haiti. 

Immediately after Biden spoke, Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas followed up. He began by refuting the Republican refrain that Biden’s attempt to end Title 42 will mean open borders, reiterating that “Title 42 or not, the border is not open.”

He provided some statistics on a system he calls “broken, outdated, and in desperate need of reform.” Currently, he explained, “It takes four or more years to conclude the average asylum case, immigration judges have a backlog of more than 1.7 million cases, and we have more than 11 million undocumented people in our country, many of whom work in the shadows, pay taxes, are our neighbors, attend our places of worship, work on the frontlines, and farm the food on our tables.” Once again, he begged Congress to update our immigration laws.

On Sunday, Biden will go to El Paso, Texas, to meet with local officials and community leaders to hear what they say they need, make it public, and try to convince Republicans to do something about it, rather than using the immigration issue as a political cudgel. 

When asked why he is going now, when for two years Republicans have been demanding that he go, Biden made it clear he did not intend to respond to political stunts and wanted a visit to be tied to the impending end of Title 42. But there is no doubt this is an excellent political moment to respond to the Republicans’ drumbeat complaints that Biden is ignoring a border crisis. 

Tomorrow, on January 6, Biden will honor people who distinguished themselves by protecting the country during the 2020–2021 attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election, awarding them the Presidential Citizens Medal, the second-highest civilian award in the United States. Recipients include Capitol Police and law enforcement officers, election workers, and elected officials who withstood pressure to lie for Trump. 

One of those getting a medal, posthumously, is U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died on January 7, 2021, after a series of strokes. Today, Sicknick’s estate asked for $10 million in damages from former president Trump, suing him for assault, negligence, violating Sicknick’s civil rights, and wrongful death, saying Trump incited the violence of January 6 that contributed to Sicknick’s death. 

And on that note, two years after the January 6th insurrection, it is notable that Trump’s name has barely been mentioned during the fight over the House speakership. After McCarthy had lost three ballots, Trump urged the 20 extremists, some of whom have been his staunchest supporters, to “VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY.” They ignored him. And for all the threats that the Republicans would make Trump himself House speaker, so far he has gotten just one vote. 

hcr
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neptuneblue
 
  3  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:19 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
But, YOU are winning. Pelosi made herself much too powerful in a democracy than any one person should be.


'Grim Reaper' Mitch McConnell Admits There Are 395 House Bills Sitting in the Senate: 'We're Not Going to Pass Those'
BY JAMES CROWLEY ON 2/14/20 AT 12:14 PM EST

During a television interview, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that 395 bills sitting in the Senate are not going to be passed.

On Fox News Friday, anchor Bret Baier asked McConnell if Democrats' statements about those bills were true and whether they could move forward. McConnell confirmed that it was the case, but also said that proposed legislation would be rejected.

"It is true," the senator said. "They've been on full left-wing parade over there, trotting out all of their left-wing solutions that are going to be issues in the fall campaign. They're right. We're not going to pass those."

McConnell explained that the bills would not get passed, because the government is divided. He said that instead they "have to work on things we can agree," listing government spending, the U.S.-Mexico-Canada free trade agreement, an infrastructure bill, a parks bill and some environmental issues as examples of bills that they may be able to agree on.

When asked about a bipartisan infrastructure bill, McConnell said that it may not be a "big" bill, because it would "require dealing with the revenue sources that both sides are nervous about raising the gas tax, which is a regressive tax on low-income people."

When asked about legislature regarding prescription drugs, McConnell said that while there are "differences on both sides," there is a chance that the Senate will be able to legislate on the issue.

"It's not that we're not doing anything. It's that we're not doing what the House Democrats and these candidates for president on the Democratic ticket want to do," he said.

McConnell's failure to pass many of the bills that are currently in the Senate has been a frequent target for Democrats, earning him the nickname the "Grim Reaper," from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi last December. She has said that bills are sitting in a "legislative graveyard," during this cycle.

"I have news for him," Pelosi said. "He may think they're dead on arrival, but they are alive and well in the general public."

Earlier in the interview, Fox showed clips of Democratic presidential candidates criticizing McConnell for not passing bills.

Discussing issues such as gun control and raising wages, former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg said the "trouble is, none of it can get past Mitch McConnell's Senate."

"We have a second thing we better be working hard on and thinking about, and that is: take back the Senate and put Mitch McConnell out of a job," Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren said on the campaign trail Sunday.

McConnell's office did not immediately respond to an emailed request for comment from Newsweek.

https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnell-grim-reaper-395-house-bills-senate-wont-pass-1487401
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:32 am
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

What do you think is going to happen, hightor? I've been reading material like this all morning. I'm finding it depressing and fascinating.


I suspect the new congress is going to spend LOTS of its time electing new Speakers. My guess is that the 118th Congress will have more than 2 Speakers during its session. And I would not be terribly astonished if McCarthy became the first of those multiple Speakers. He still has a shot, but if he manages to eke it out, it will be short lived.
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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:39 am
@joe 2nation,
joe 2nation wrote:


Which of those unnamed demands are you most in favor of? The one that says it will only take FIVE Members to raise an attempt to remove a Speaker?? Five out of 435, very democratic indeed.
What else?
BTW the Speaker of the House has always had the ability to stop floor votes. How was Pelosi worse at that than others? Which paymasters? Do you ever speak in specifics?

Who was the architect of this democratic rebellion?
Architects usually build things, this seems more like a demolitionist, right?

Joe(What size is their monkey wrench? ) Nation


Great to see ya here posting, J.

Good questions of Lash. But her responses (of sorts) are the best you will get from her. You've been away. Things have deteriorated in that department.

It is not the size of the monkey wrench you've got...it is how you use it that counts.
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joe 2nation
 
  2  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:42 am
@Lash,
Now they want it to be only ONE person to move to vacate the Speaker. One.

The mainstream media (hah ha hah ) won't tell what they are holding out for because THEY, the Taliban Twenty, haven't actually said.
I'm breathless to know what you know.

Changed the rules to give herself more power? No. Stop making stuff up. or listening to that stuff. Really.

Who was the architect of this democratic rebellion?
Quote:
So, you don’t know?
So you don't know either or are you just too petty to just give the answer?
Seriously childish.

Joe(You haven't changed a bit )Nation

Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:51 am
@joe 2nation,
Here’s the first good write up I’ve found about the floor fight. The best answer to you question is an interview by the architect of the fight, but I can’t find a good link.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/01/06/the_house_speakers_race_is_worth_celebrating_148693.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The House Speaker's Race is Worth Celebrating

There's a lot of alarmism going on right now about the race for speaker of the House. Many are calling it a crisis or a "three-ring circus." What it is really is the first sign that the reckoning and subsequent healing needed among Republicans may finally be upon us.

There is a huge split within the Republican Party. The party establishment sees an America that's fundamentally the same as it was in 1985 and has a policy agenda fit for just that moment. These Republicans still see big business as their allies. They equate policies that help big business with policies that help America.

The other wing of the Republican party -- some call themselves populists, some reformists, some national conservatives or "natcons" -- sees a country slipping away. They want real reforms. They see the establishment as too tied to corporate America. They see corporate America as too tied to international interests, especially China, and not focused enough on the lives and well-being of everyday Americans.

This is a debate worth having. It's a debate that's been kicked under the rug for too long. It's not chaos; it's democracy.

Rep. Kevin McCarthy is a well-liked guy among Republicans. He's not known as a policy leader. He's particularly well-connected to the corporate influence world that dominates Washington today. The congressional Republicans opposing McCarthy are opposed to this camp. They are also unhappy that Republican leaders allowed a bloated, wasteful and chock-full of bad policy $1.7 trillion spending bill to pass. They want to get back to fiscal discipline, a former bedrock Republican principle that has been lost in recent years.

The press would like to make this into a MAGA/Trump revolt against the establishment, but that's not accurate. Some of the most MAGA members are lined up with McCarthy, as is the former president himself. What we are seeing today is instead a push by back bench members to return to conservative principles, regular order and debate in Congress.

The problem identified by the conservative upstarts is the bills coming out of Congress overlap very little with the priorities of most conservative voters. Besides the overall spending issues and the coming fiscal catastrophe that most Republicans want to pretend is not on the horizon, the recently passed spending bill will actually make the border crisis even worse. Reasonable people understand that some compromise is necessary with a divided government, but the spending bill did a lot for every entrenched Washington interest and did nothing for average American voters concerned about vitally important issues such as border security and fiscal discipline.

Rep. Kevin McCarthy is a well-liked guy among Republicans. He's not known as a policy leader. He's particularly well-connected to the corporate influence world that dominates Washington today. The congressional Republicans opposing McCarthy are opposed to this camp. They are also unhappy that Republican leaders allowed a bloated, wasteful and chock-full of bad policy $1.7 trillion spending bill to pass. They want to get back to fiscal discipline, a former bedrock Republican principle that has been lost in recent years.

The press would like to make this into a MAGA/Trump revolt against the establishment, but that's not accurate. Some of the most MAGA members are lined up with McCarthy, as is the former president himself. What we are seeing today is instead a push by back bench members to return to conservative principles, regular order and debate in Congress.

The problem identified by the conservative upstarts is the bills coming out of Congress overlap very little with the priorities of most conservative voters. Besides the overall spending issues and the coming fiscal catastrophe that most Republicans want to pretend is not on the horizon, the recently passed spending bill will actually make the border crisis even worse. Reasonable people understand that some compromise is necessary with a divided government, but the spending bill did a lot for every entrenched Washington interest and did nothing for average American voters concerned about vitally important issues such as border security and fiscal discipline.
__________

It’s a fight for a stronger democracy—less power than Pelosi gave herself.




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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 07:06 am
The architect of this specific floor fight strategy is Thomas Massie.

The primary concerns are consolidation of power of the speaker. Pelosi made changes (and McCarthy of course wanted to keep them) that make our government more like an aristocracy than a democracy. This bunch of Republicans is using the strategy leftists tried to get the #Squad to use to force a #M4A vote to the floor, but they demurred.

Link to interview will go here.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-tom-roten-morning-show-70632979/episode/thomas-massie-speaker-race-is-good-106858319/



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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 07:12 am
@joe 2nation,
They have actually given interviews explaining what they’re doing—you just didn’t see them.
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2023 07:13 am
@joe 2nation,
Joe, you’re grossly uninformed about the changes Pelosi made.
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