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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 01:45 pm
I think if Garland is going to indict, he shouldn't worry about any political ramifications as far as Trump being a presidential candidate. I personally don't think he will in the end because it would be terribly divisive for the country when, really, we need to get beyond Trump in my opinion. Also, in my opinion, it doesn't make all the fact finding of both the DOJ and January 6 to have been in vain. The whole world is now under no illusion of Trump's actions during his time as President, and I really think this time he is finished. People are tired of him, as was shown in the midterms. If we, as Democrats, keep dragging out the investigations and such actions, we will be as tiresome as the election deniers.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT5LMwN62O0qQaRIuk/200.webp?cid=ecf05e47vf6b1g340laaqr9dlg4cszut22ieu5exilaqsm08&rid=200.webp&ct=g
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 02:27 pm
@snood,
I think you're letting your disappointment color your relations with others.

That was about some foul **** you just spread right there: it was unwarranted and out of line.

When you can get your temper under control, please feel free to contact me.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 03:25 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
The US is not the only global villain, for sure, but if you’ve ever read about our own government’s admission of international and national COINTELPRO programs, and if you have a basic understanding of what’s happening currently on the global stage—and if you further can dispassionately assess who has motivation to make a move—you could at least understand why someone might suspect a certain player of a certain action.


To that, I would add a largely complicit corporate media, which regularly skips the gory details, to carry on with their agenda.

eg, Russian missiles hit Poland, with two casualties. US drones target a wedding, killing dozens of civilians, and their target wasn't even there.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:33 pm
This tweet...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhuDxbQWQAAF2-3?format=jpg&name=medium

...gained the following excellent response
Quote:
Adam Kinzinger #fella @AdamKinzinger
2h
Of everything that never happened, this never happened more than anything
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:39 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
So, you don't acknowledge that we have any interest in the collaboration or success of the BRICS alliance?

We may. We do have an interest in influencing the behavior of foreign nations.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
We've never dealt with the level of crime he produced, and he did things no one else has ever committed from the White House before.
He's going down and Garlin will be one of his biggest prosecutors.

Be serious now. Mr. Trump hasn't done anything wrong at all.

If you want to talk crime in the White House, look to Bill Clinton. And the Democrats are already on record that crime in the White House is A-OK.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:41 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Trying to pin down jelly? Good luck! Get ready for the side-step.

Unlike progressives, I do not sidestep issues.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:42 pm
@Lash,
axios wrote:
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/14/turkey-claims-us-complicit-istanbul-attack
Turkish Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu on Monday rejected the condolences the U.S. offered following this weekend's deadly attack in Istanbul and accused Washington of complicity.

I reject the American condolences too. I still tend to think that Turkey carried out this attack against themselves as a false flag to blame on innocent people.

But if it was in fact an act of terrorism, then I say three cheers for the terrorists.


axios wrote:
The big picture: The U.S. also considers the PKK — which advocates for Kurdish autonomy and has a long history of conducting attacks inside Turkey — to be a terrorist group.

I do not share this view with the US government. I wholeheartedly endorse the PKK and all of the actions that they carry out against their Turkish oppressors.


Lash wrote:
For Turkey to make the accusation is notable, but far more notable is the BRICS alliance, its ultimate goals, and how severely that alliance and that goal effects the US.

How is the US severely affected?


Lash wrote:
I believe that Russia v Ukraine and the attacks in Turkey, and the wrecking of the Nordstream pipeline was directed by the US in order to stop or to send grave warnings to the BRICS / Russia + China + OPEC+ alliance.

Your belief is in error. Russia is responsible for the war in Ukraine. And also for any damage to their pipeline.

Turkey is the most likely culprit regarding the attacks in Turkey. But whoever it was, the US certainly had nothing to do with it.


Lash wrote:
The US is not the only global villain, for sure, but if you've ever read about our own government's admission of international and national COINTELPRO programs, and if you have a basic understanding of what's happening currently on the global stage—and if you further can dispassionately assess who has motivation to make a move—you could at least understand why someone might suspect a certain player of a certain action.

The US is not any sort of villain at all.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:43 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Turkey has problems with Kurdish separatists, and the Kurdish nationalist group the PKK is classed as a terrorist organisation.

I reject this classification.


izzythepush wrote:
Turkey has been luke warm about Sweden and Finland joining NATO due to them giving asylum to Kurdish figures.

The solution is easy. Kick Turkey out of NATO.

Or better yet, have NATO invade and conquer Turkey and Syria, and forcibly convert all Muslims therein to Christianity.

Let's re-do the Crusades. And let's do them right this time.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 07:55 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Until you learn to answer a simple question simply, there’s no point talking to you. It’s an insult to the intelligence to answer a question with a sophistic word salad that could be answered with two or three words.
I simply asked if there was any length of time that you would consider too long waiting for an indictment.

That required a yes or no, not whatever the hell it was you thought you were doing.

Now let’s see if this post of mine is nice enough for the censors to leave alone.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 08:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
While the Turkish PKK is branded as a terrorist group not only in Turkey but also in the EU and the USA, the PYD/YPG is considered a terrorist organisation only by Turks.

I refuse to brand the PKK as terrorists. The PKK are heroes who are only trying to defend innocent Kurds from Turkey's genocide.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 08:55 pm

Quote:
Stephen Colbert @StephenAtHome
26m
Kari Lake is on the short list for the ex-president’s VP, but she might want to do a little research into why that gig’s available.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 10:32 pm
From Walker's stump speech
Quote:
"We got people in Washington that have gotten too weak. All they want to do is let people ride their bike. That's what Sen. Warnock is doing. Let Joe Biden ride his bike."


Try to recover from that, libs!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 11:59 pm
In the last 24 hours, I've now seen this comment made by three GOP bigwigs. I'm expecting we'll see much, much more of it.

Quote:
Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, a Republican often mentioned as a potential 2024 candidate, said she did not believe Mr. Trump offered “the best chance” for the party in 2024.


The problem for the GOP is getting rid of Trump without fostering a big internecine war between the crazed MAGA crowd and everyone else in the party. A blunt "Trump is a blight and must go!" approach will foster such a fight. But a softer, middle way such as we see above avoids negative comments about Trump that MAGA types would find unacceptable while redirecting their attention (and hopes, if it works) to other potential leaders to be worshipped or at least to be followed. It's probably a smart strategy.

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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 12:21 am
Here's another interesting tact from the Wall Street Journal

Quote:
Covid Lockdowns Disqualify Trump in 2024
‘Fifteen days to stop the spread’ turned into an eternity.


This is an answer to the question strategists are understandably asking, "What in Trump's record can we use to diminish his attractiveness to MAGA types without appearing to demean or attack him?"
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 12:59 am
Do check this out. From today's New York Post (as we know, a Murdoch paper)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhvkA82XEAEaz8V?format=jpg&name=large

"a Florida retiree"
roger
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 01:07 am
@blatham,
Florida Man!
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 01:16 am
@roger,
Yes. That's the wording on the front page promo for the page 26 piece I posted.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 03:45 am
Trump Is Back In

It’s time to decide what kind of country we really are.

Tom Nichols wrote:
Lance the Boil

Trump is back. Twice impeached, facing a slew of legal and financial issues, the disgraced former president made good on his threat to run in 2024 in a weird and draggy hour-long mess of a speech to the faithful last night at Mar-a-Lago. The announcement was everything you’d expect from a Trump performance: the accordion hands, the singsong voice, the tussle with the teleprompter as if the machine were a hostile headmaster testing him on Latin declensions.

Whoever wrote the speech loaded up the usual gobbledygook about “globalist sellouts” and China and rebuilding the military, but to no avail. Trump, as usual, seemed uninterested in the prepared text, and he shifted to all the greatest hits, including his many grievances, the meandering stories, and the bragging that defies fact-checking. Among the many weird gems of improvisation, Trump said that, during the four years of his presidency, there were “decades without a war.” (Pretty sure that one’s inaccurate, but forget it, he was rolling.)

As a former speechwriter, I can’t really blame Trump for being bored by the text. Whatever Trump’s idiosyncrasies and failings as a public speaker, his speechwriters—I assume Stephen Miller, in most cases—are terrible, writing for themselves with attempts at high drama and Gothic menace, rather than for the simpler cadences of a Queens casino boss with a limited vocabulary.

I’m sure that many Americans, if they bothered to watch the speech, rolled their eyes. Even the loyalists at Fox kept cutting away, while reassuring the viewers that it was a great speech. (Among the network’s many over-the-top moments: Joe Concha said it sounded like a State of the Union address, which I suppose made sense if you couldn’t hear the actual words.) As I used to do during the Trump years, I live-tweeted my commentary on the speech, and many Twitter users angrily told me to ignore Trump—to stop amplifying him and stop giving him attention, as if he would just disappear if we looked away.

But I have to admit that I welcome Trump’s candidacy.

I know that Trump reentering the political fray is a threat to our political system and a pollution of our civic hygiene. I know that if he wins again, he will bring with him people who might be far less stupid, and therefore much more dangerous, than the gang of goons and opportunists who infested our institutions the last time around. And yet I think he should run.

It’s time for us to once and for all declare who we are as a people. There is still an illness lurking in our political immune system. We discovered (or rediscovered) in our elections last week that American democracy has great regenerative power. But the elections of 2022 only suppressed a fever. The people of the United States, until now, have been reluctant to lance the boil, cleanse the wound, and just get it over with.

America needs a reckoning. If Trump were to slink off into the night—that is, if he had even a microgram of decency—his supporters would never have to come to grips with what they, and he, have done to this country. Even worse, if Trump stayed in exile in Florida, Trumpists and their cowardly Republican enablers could quietly nurture a 21st-century version of a GOP Dolchstoßlegende, a modern stab-in-the-back theory in which Republicans and the conservative media could continue muttering darkly about how Trump was unfairly defeated in 2020 by The Swamp, or The Lamestream Media, or the “China Virus.” Some of them could even pretend they never liked him. All of them could bloviate at will while safe in the knowledge that they would never have to defend voting for Trump again.

To pretend, however, that Trump is irrelevant is not only a mistake; it provides no resolution to our democratic crisis. It is denial, the equivalent of a drunk driver telling us to ignore the whiskey bottles on the lawn and the damage to the family car, whining that dents can be fixed and that no one got killed—not this time, anyway.

atlantic
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2022 04:44 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
Turkey has problems with Kurdish separatists, and the Kurdish nationalist group the PKK is classed as a terrorist organisation.

I reject this classification.


I can't see the international community losing any sleep over that.

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