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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 07:41 pm

Quote:
David Nir @DavidNir
28m
Republicans could have rendered Trump irrelevant in the presidential race had just a few more of them voted to convict him in his impeachment trial. They only have themselves to blame for deciding not to

This tweet points to some very serious, long-standing ethical/moral failures that mark and define modern American conservatives.

But it's likely they won't grasp this because their emotional and psychological investments are too solid and entrenched.

Much more likely, I think, is that they will now try to rid themselves of the stench of Trump and use DeSantis to rebrand who they are and what they are still up to. They will see this as only a marketing problem. But they are good at marketing and they have an enormous media machine to do much of that work. And they have a near endless supply of dark money to finance the project.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 08:48 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Ignoring his athletic career,

Easily ignored. I know precisely nothing of his athletic career.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
what about this guy impresses you so much?

I know nothing about this person other than he is a GOP candidate.

So many Democrats are such horrible people these days that I just take it on face value that a Democrat is evil until proven otherwise, and take it on face value that a Republican is good until proven otherwise.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Even Romney went for the lowest common denominator. He's supposed to lead, not pander.

What was wrong with Romney?


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
The GOP compromised John McCain.

How so?


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
W was a nice guy I'd drink a beer with (if Laura would let him), but he was no administrator, he delegated responsibility to exactly the wrong people.

What was wrong about them?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 08:49 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
For what it's worth, I did thumb you up.

I thumb up downvoted people too even when I disagree with the argument.

Many times I thump up a post and then post a dissent to that post.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 08:54 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
They probably need more of this...
Quote:
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ): "[Speaker Nancy Pelosi] is losing the gavel but finding the hammer. Too soon? Is that too soon?"

He sounds perfect. The left deserves disrespect.

#Not too soon.


blatham wrote:
The only thing - the ONLY thing - which might save these people is a longer series of electoral losses. And that's the only hope for America.

That's like saying the only thing that will save the Democratic Party (and the only hope for America) is a long series of Democratic electoral losses.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 08:58 pm
Well, well. Definite change in the weather.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhKwILSWYAAeq2c?format=jpg&name=medium
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 09:03 pm
Another weather update

Trump Under Fire From Within G.O.P. After Midterms
“Republicans have followed Donald Trump off the side of a cliff,” a longtime adviser said.


It appears they want to get rid of this guy immediately.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 09:13 pm
Verifying last post...
Quote:
Michael C. Bender @MichaelCBender
33m
Scott Jennings, a former McConnell aide, suggested DeSantis and Youngkin as potential alternatives and called on them to move urgently. “After Jan. 6, the G.O.P. hesitated and he quickly recovered. DeSantis cannot hesitate.”
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Wilso
 
  6  
Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 11:49 pm
Apparently Republicans now want to raise the age of voting to 21 because 18-21yos voted in droves in the Midterms. This is the same Republican Party that believes that an 18yo is mature enough to purchase an AR15 and a 10yo is old enough to be a mom.

Take all the time you need with that.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 03:25 am
Quote:
Yesterday was a good day for democracy. Americans turned out to defend our principles from those who denied our right to choose our own leaders. There was little violence, the election appears to have gone smoothly, and there are few claims of “fraud.” As I write tonight, control of the House and Senate is still not clear, but some outlines are now visible.

Usually, the party in power loses a significant number of congressional seats and state seats in the first midterm after it takes the presidency. Today, President Joe Biden spoke to reporters and noted that the Democrats had the best midterm elections for governors since 1986 and lost fewer House seats than they have in any Democratic president’s first midterm in 40 years.

That this election—the results of which are still coming in as I write—is so close is an endorsement of the nation’s current path, despite the shock of inflation. As Biden said: “the overwhelming majority of the American people support the elements of my economic agenda—from rebuilding America’s roads and bridges; to lowering prescription drug costs; to a historic investment in tackling the climate crisis; to making sure that large corporations begin to pay their fair share in taxes.”

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) agreed with Biden on the Fox News Channel tonight, but for him it was a complaint: “Why did Democrats do better than expected? Because they have governed as liberals.” And people appear to like a government that works on their behalf.

Voters appear to have been far more motivated to protect abortion rights than many pundits thought. In Michigan, California, and Vermont, voters amended their state constitutions to protect abortion rights. In Kentucky, voters rejected a state constitutional amendment that would have restricted abortion rights.

Former president Trump and his loyalists had a bad day. Trump endorsed more than 330 candidates in yesterday’s races, including a number of high-profile people he had urged to run. They were extremist candidates whose key attraction was that they backed Trump’s allegations that President Joe Biden stole the 2020 election from him, and he remained bullish on their chances until the end, telling a host for NewsNation: “I think if they win, I should get all the credit. If they lose, I should not be blamed at all.” [ Rolling Eyes ]

But when many of Trump’s candidates lost yesterday, former supporters did indeed blame Trump. Former Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro tweeted: “Trump picked bad candidates, spent almost no money on his hand-picked candidates, and then proceeded to crap on the Republicans who lost and didn’t sufficiently bend the knee. This will have 2024 impact.”

It is not at all clear that the election results will, in fact, end Trump’s political career, but they do open up the possibility that Republican leaders will not be unhappy to see him moved offstage, particularly by events they can blame on opponents—events like indictments. In any case, Trump’s status as the party’s undisputed kingmaker is no longer secure.

This seems likely to bring the Republican Party’s simmering civil war into the open. Yesterday, Trump warned Florida governor Ron DeSantis not to run for president, hinting that he would tell reporters dirt about DeSantis if the governor did announce. (“I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering—I know more about him than anybody—other than, perhaps, his wife,” Trump said.)

But DeSantis came out of yesterday’s elections with a second term as Florida governor and looking strong indeed. He fared well with Hispanic voters and won his state with about 60% of the vote (it should not be overlooked that his new election security police clearly intimidated voters). If, in fact, the Republicans do end up taking control of the House of Representatives, presumptive speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) will have a delicate dance between MAGA Republicans who back Trump and those trying to move beyond Trump while keeping his voters.

But the biggest winner yesterday was democracy.

More than half of the Republican candidates on ballots were election deniers and either would not say that they would honor election results going forward or openly said they would not. That position appears to have hurt their chances of winning their elections. While some election deniers won their elections, more lost.

Most notably, the story in Michigan was that of democracy, as Democrats won control of the state legislature for the first time since 1984. Governor Gretchen Whitmer was heavily targeted by former president Trump and made abortion rights central to her reelection. Both factors appeared to have helped her win, hold onto a Democratic attorney general and secretary of state, and flip both chambers of the legislature.

There is a larger story here. For decades the Republicans who controlled the Michigan legislature had drawn heavily gerrymandered districts, the most recent so extreme that in 2019, federal judges called them a “political gerrymander of historical proportions.” Voters amended the state constitution to require an independent, nonpartisan panel of 13 citizens to redraw the maps. While political competitiveness was not central to the criteria they used, it was the result.

Michigan Republicans have challenged that new map through the courts, but on Monday the Supreme Court dismissed their appeal. The outcome of yesterday’s elections suggests that what scholars have been saying for years is true: Republicans have won by gaming the system.

The importance of that partisan gerrymandering—and the importance of today’s Supreme Court in upholding that gerrymandering—showed up yesterday in the cases of four states in which Republican lawmakers simply refused to change maps that state courts had determined were illegal. In Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Ohio, heavily gerrymandered maps stayed in place despite state court decisions that they were unconstitutional.

Those four states make up almost 10% of the seats in the House of Representatives. According to congressional redistricting specialist David Wasserman of the Cook Political Report, those illegal maps were likely to hand five to seven seats to the Republicans that they would not have won without them. At the same time, Florida governor Ron DeSantis put in place heavily gerrymandered districts—so extreme that the Republican legislature balked—that were expected to turn four seats Republican and create a House delegation more than 70% Republican from a state that Trump won with just over half the vote in 2020.

Gaming the system sets up a structural problem for democracy, of course, but also for the party in power. In safe districts, candidates don’t have to worry about attracting voters from the other party and so worry only about being challenged by those more extreme than they are in the primaries (which are always dominated by the most fervent partisans). The party becomes more and more extreme and can stay in power only by continuing to manipulate the system.

Eventually, though, they become so extreme they lose even members of their own party, as the Republican Party has done since Trump took it over. A new influx of voters—as we saw last night—can win elections, and then they will demand that the playing field be leveled back to fairness. Jack Lobel of Voters of Tomorrow, which is mobilizing Gen Z voters, told NPR’s Rachel Martin today: “The far right is trying to attack us, they’re trying to restrict our rights, and they’re trying to take us back in time. [Young people] want to go forward….”

Lobel mentioned abortion rights, economic rights, and building a better future, and he noted that the Democratic Party has stepped up for Gen Z. Certainly, organizers like strategy director of Voters of Tomorrow Victor Shi have been pounding the pavement to turn out their people.

Exit polls from last night show voters in the 18–29 age bracket making up about 12–13% of the vote and preferring Democrats by much larger margins than any other group: as much as 70%. In 25-year-old Maxwell Frost (D-FL), elected last night, Gen Z has its first member of Congress.

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Mame
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 04:19 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


Eventually, though, they become so extreme they lose even members of their own party, as the Republican Party has done since Trump took it over. A new influx of voters—as we saw last night—can win elections, and then they will demand that the playing field be leveled back to fairness. Jack Lobel of Voters of Tomorrow, which is mobilizing Gen Z voters, told NPR’s Rachel Martin today: “The far right is trying to attack us, they’re trying to restrict our rights, and they’re trying to take us back in time. [Young people] want to go forward….”

Lobel mentioned abortion rights, economic rights, and building a better future, and he noted that the Democratic Party has stepped up for Gen Z. Certainly, organizers like strategy director of Voters of Tomorrow Victor Shi have been pounding the pavement to turn out their people.

Exit polls from last night show voters in the 18–29 age bracket making up about 12–13% of the vote and preferring Democrats by much larger margins than any other group: as much as 70%. In 25-year-old Maxwell Frost (D-FL), elected last night, Gen Z has its first member of Congress.


There you go - that's pretty much the only way out of the political mess the US is in, don't you think? Young people, pissed off older Republicans, and women.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 05:00 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

bobsal u1553115 wrote:
For what it's worth, I did thumb you up.

I thumb up downvoted people too even when I disagree with the argument.

Many times I thump up a post and then post a dissent to that post.

Me too.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 06:59 am
@blatham,
No. I meant Rick Scott. The order is: Ginni Thomas, Rick Scott and finally DeSantis.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 07:04 am
Suspect in Paul Pelosi attack indicted on federal charges
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 07:47 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhJq8aKXoAQNj9c?format=jpg&name=900x900

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Trump is an asshole.

Trump got 51.2% of the vote in 2020.

DeSantis (another bag of garbage) is currently at about 59.4 % of the vote in 2022.

Yeah, Trump got more votes...but it was from a MUCH larger vote population.

He ought really to shut the hell up.

As an aside, I consider DeSantis to be at least as large a problem for America and democracy as was Trump.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 08:08 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:
Apparently Republicans now want to raise the age of voting to 21 because 18-21yos voted in droves in the Midterms. This is the same Republican Party that believes that an 18yo is mature enough to purchase an AR15 and a 10yo is old enough to be a mom.
Take all the time you need with that.

The age to vote and the age to buy an AR-15 need to be exactly the same. Either someone is an adult or they are not.

So certainly states that have raised the age to buy an AR-15 to 21 should do so also with the age to vote.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 08:14 am
@oralloy,



Quote:
I know nothing about this person other than he is a GOP candidate.

So many Democrats are such horrible people these days that I just take it on face value that a Democrat is evil until proven otherwise, and take it on face value that a Republican is good until proven otherwise.


That's a dismal attitude guaranteed to keep you cynical.

Quote:

What was wrong with Romney?


He pandered to the right instead of leading.


Quote:

How so?


By forcing McCain to tack to the crazy RW libertarian elements of the party. This is the crap that led us to the Orange Shitgibbon. McCain wanted Liebermann for VP. He thought if he put Palin up, the GOP would allow him a "fusion" campaign. He did not realize how much tea was running in the party at the time. I want my Republican Party back. I want Republican candidates I can support.


Quote:
What was wrong about them?


Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Gomez, Ashcroft ... ? Google some headlines with those despicable names. Who wasn't corrupted coming in, was ruined by association and blindly following Dick Cheney's orders, like Rice and almost like Gen Powell almost was.
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 08:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
As an aside, I consider DeSantis to be at least as large a problem for America and democracy as was Trump.


I agree, and he doesn't have handicaps and baggage of Trump which republicans and evangelist overlooked.
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blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 08:27 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
He ought really to shut the hell up.

As an aside, I consider DeSantis to be at least as large a problem for America and democracy as was Trump.

The second sentence is why I don't wish the first sentence's wish to be fulfilled.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 08:35 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Gomez, Ashcroft ... ? Google some headlines with those despicable names. Who wasn't corrupted coming in, was ruined by association and blindly following Dick Cheney's orders, like Rice and almost like Gen Powell almost was.

What is bad about any of these people?

I'm sure that each one has a few policies that I would disagree with, but they all seem like decent upstanding people.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
I want my Republican Party back. I want Republican candidates I can support.

I understand the sentiment. I feel the same way about the Democratic Party.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2022 08:42 am
What is taking so long to count those votes??? They should all be counted by now.
 

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