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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 02:31 pm
@Lash,
The Democrat Party has evidently surrendered leadership to its relatively far left segments, who appear to be firmly in control of Biden's policies and actions in office - notwithstanding his deceptive campaign assurances that as President he would be a moderate and a unifier. Like revolutionary "progressives" everywhere, they are convinced that their supposed virtuous intentions justify whatever actions they take in pursuit of their policies, and that the unexpected (by them) adverse outcomes they achieve are merely underserved obstacles requiring only more efforts in pushing the same flawed policies. In short they are stupid, self-absorbed, close-minded and sadly unable to learn from experience.

It does appear that many individual people, including many from "groups" formerly thought by Democrats to be, by virtue of group identity, loyal, captive adherents, are discovering their own self interest and leaving the fold. Hard to know how many, but the forthcoming election results may tell us a lot.

Our country is very divided and there still remain many loyal adherents to the progressive policies that have brought on the disaster unfolding before us all. They will certainly see some setbacks, greater than those normally attending mid term elections, but by how much remains to be seen. Fingers crossed.

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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 02:49 pm
@georgeob1,
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The key actions that have so devastated our economy involved unilateral administrative actions by our sadly inept President, most taken within days of his accession to office, and done without any prior consultation with other parties.

I strongly doubt that Biden made those decisions alone. I'm sure there was considerable discussion with other members of his cabinet and experienced policy makers.
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...including the depletion of our strategic petroleum reserve...

So prices should have just been allowed to keep getting higher when we had the means to prevent it?
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...only a loss of stature in international relations.

Our relations with key allies like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Russia? You may have missed it, but our NATO allies are relieved to have seen the bumbling Trump depart the world stage.
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The main legislative "triumph" of the administration, its misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" which will pump an unneeded Trillion dollars into an economy already beset with government induced supply shortages, and thereby induce continuing inflation was passed through the Congress with no consultation, negotiation or support from Republicans.

This money supports important programs which invest in a low carbon future. If the Republicans actually cared about the climate crisis they might have been consulted but there is no reason to attempt a dialog when one side is categorically opposed to government spending.
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...but then we had a fast-growing economy low inflation, fast growing labor market participation and employment, widespread general prosperity. a fast improving situation on our southern border...

We had an artificially-juiced economy with irresponsible low interest rates (fault of the Fed) and reckless tax cuts for the wealthy – during a time of relative prosperity when the government should have been collecting more revenue, not less.
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a fast improving situation on our southern border

Yeah, right. You're giving the past administration credit when it was covid that allowed us to temporarily refuse immigrants entry to the USA.
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and with a growing surplus of exportable petroleum

An industry which was hit hard by multiple factors due to covid – low prices due to reduced demand shut down domestic production, then, by the time demand started to pick up, there was a shortage of workers and the supply chain bottlenecks led to shortages of critical needs such as steel.
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All of that is gone now.

Putin made sure of that!
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 02:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank,
I find it both amusing and bewildering that so many Democrats characterize their Republican opponents as "authoritarian" (and worse). The observable fact is that the policies advocated by contemporary Democrats consistently involve ever more intrusive government management of the public and personal actions (and often even speech) of people everywhere, than do those of the Republicans they so falsely characterize as "authoritarian".

Republicans in the policies they favor and enact do indeed promote more individual freedom and initiative than do Democrats who generally favor increased government management of of our lives and economy.

Who are the real authoritarians here?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 03:19 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
The key actions that have so devastated our economy involved unilateral administrative actions by our sadly inept President, most taken within days of his accession to office, and done without any prior consultation with other parties.

I strongly doubt that Biden made those decisions alone. I'm sure there was considerable discussion with other members of his cabinet and experienced policy makers.


He took most of the actions indicated in his first couple of days in office, doing so with no evident consultation outside of his immediate left wing controllers.

A remarkably weak argument you offer here.

hightor wrote:
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...including the depletion of our strategic petroleum reserve...

So prices should have just been allowed to keep getting higher when we had the means to prevent it?

The effects on our strategic petroleum reserve have been very large - roughly on third of it is gone. However the effect on fuel prices at the pump were laughably small and ephemeral. If he was serious he could have relaxed the stupid restrictions he is still imposing on domestic petroleum production.


hightor wrote:
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...only a loss of stature in international relations.

Our relations with key allies like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Russia? You may have missed it, but our NATO allies are relieved to have seen the bumbling Trump depart the world stage.

Perhaps you failed to note North Korea's repeated missile launches and the several expressions of contempt from the Saudi leadership.

hightor wrote:

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The main legislative "triumph" of the administration, its misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" which will pump an unneeded Trillion dollars into an economy already beset with government induced supply shortages, and thereby induce continuing inflation was passed through the Congress with no consultation, negotiation or support from Republicans.

This money supports important programs which invest in a low carbon future. If the Republicans actually cared about the climate crisis they might have been consulted but there is no reason to attempt a dialog when one side is categorically opposed to government spending.

You are , in effect conceding my point and merely rationalizing a truly stupid and harmful piece of legislation enacted by Democrats with zero consultation or even dialogue with Republicans

etc. etc.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 03:26 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Frank,
I find it both amusing and bewildering that so many Democrats characterize their Republican opponents as "authoritarian" (and worse). The observable fact is that the policies advocated by contemporary Democrats consistently involve ever more intrusive government management of the public and personal actions (and often even speech) of people everywhere, than do those of the Republicans they so falsely characterize as "authoritarian".

Republicans in the policies they favor and enact do indeed promote more individual freedom and initiative than do Democrats who generally favor increased government management of of our lives and economy.

Who are the real authoritarians here?



The Republicans, George...especially (but not limited to) the MAGA element.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 03:37 pm
No One Forced Republicans to Do Any of These Things

Jamelle Bouie wrote:
In “The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte,” Karl Marx famously observed, “Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.”

Our choices are shaped, and even bound, by the histories and institutions we inhabit. And yet they’re still our choices. We are moral agents, responsible for our decisions even if we can’t fully escape the matrix in which we make them.

And yet so much of the conversation about the modern Republican Party assumes the opposite: that Republican politicians are impossibly bound to the needs and desires of their coalition and unable to resist its demands. Many — too many — political observers speak as if Republican leaders and officials had no choice but to accept Donald Trump into the fold; no choice but to apologize for his every transgression; no choice but to humor his attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election; and now, no choice but to embrace election-denying candidates around the country.

But that’s nonsense. For all the pressures of the base, for all the fear of Trump and his gift for ridicule, for all the demands of the donor class, it is also true that at every turn Republicans in Washington and elsewhere have made an active and affirmative choice to embrace the worst elements of their party — and jettison the norms and values that make democracy work — for the sake of their narrow political and ideological objectives.

Those objectives, for what it’s worth, are nothing new. To the extent that the Trump-era Republican Party has an agenda, it is what it has always been: to be a handmaiden to the total domination of capital, to facilitate the upward redistribution of wealth and to strengthen hierarchies of class and status. To those ends, Republicans in Washington have already announced plans to reduce social insurance, cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans and restrict abortion rights.

What’s striking, again, is the extent to which many political commentators refuse to accept the moral and political agency of Republican politicians and officials. If there is a threat to democracy, goes one argument, it’s because liberals and progressives have refused to compromise their priorities in its defense. And according to another, similar argument, which I wrote about last week, the Democratic Party’s rhetoric embracing democracy is, itself, undermining democracy.

As it stands, plenty of Republican politicians and officials are making live plans to undermine any election they might lose. According to a report in The Washington Post, “Republican officials and candidates in at least three battleground states are pushing to disqualify thousands of mail ballots after urging their own supporters to vote on Election Day.”

It’s not that those mail ballots are illegal or illegitimate; the problem is that many have presumably been cast by Democrats. If Republicans can invalidate Democratic mail ballots while counting on their supporters to vote in person on Election Day, then they can forge an easier path to victory in closely divided states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Republicans have attacked ballot access for Native Americans in Arizona — a Democratic-leaning group in a contested swing state — and embarked on a project of voter intimidation in Florida. In August, the state’s new election police force arrested 20 people accused of voter fraud. Fifteen were Black voters charged with casting ballots illegally. Several said they thought they qualified to cast a vote under a state constitutional amendment that restored the right to vote to many former felons. And in interviews with investigators, all said they had received a voter registration card from their county election supervisors.

In the absence of any evidence of intent, the state’s case against these supposedly lawbreaking voters will fall apart. But that doesn’t mean the arrests were a failure. Some Floridians, accustomed to helping older family members cast ballots by mail, have refrained from giving assistance for fear of running afoul of the state election police.

The larger point is that we should not treat the Republican effort to suppress and intimidate voters — or invalidate elections — as if it were a force of nature or the automatic result of some mechanical process. Republican politicians in Florida chose to respond to hard-fought elections by burdening their opponents. Republican leaders in Washington, likewise, chose to elevate their most irresponsible colleagues into positions of influence and authority. And Republican politicians nationwide chose to embrace the lies and the conspiracy theories that undergird the idea that the only legitimate elections are the ones Republicans win.

Led by Donald Trump and his many acolytes, the Republican Party is poised to plunge this country into political and constitutional crisis over its refusal to share power or acknowledge defeat. We can treat this as some kind of an inevitability, the only possible outcome given the pieces at play, or we can treat it as what it is: a deliberate choice.

nyt
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 03:42 pm
@georgeob1,
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A remarkably weak argument you offer here.

In response to your remarkably weaker suggestion that Biden cooked up the entire program by himself in a few days.

revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 03:52 pm
@Lash,
No, I didn't say he found evidence of Trump's collusion. You are always telling me to go back and read it again. Well, now it's time for you to.

This is what Mueller said, not me.


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“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”


I am done here.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 04:09 pm
@hightor,
casmpain he made some
hightor wrote:

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A remarkably weak argument you offer here.

In response to your remarkably weaker suggestion that Biden cooked up the entire program by himself in a few days.


I never suggested that he came up with it at all, much less than in a few days. More likely it was a script handed to him by the far left progressives who very obviously directing the policy of this administration.

Biden has long been known as a intellectual lightweight with few detectable lasting values (outside of an inclination for adolescent 'tough guy" talk and proclivity for lies about his background and occasional bouts of plagiarism.)
During his campaign he made some admittedly ambiguous statements about his continuing support for fracking. However he has very consistently followed the established Left Wing Democrat script from his first day in office. He has been on script ever since.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 04:30 pm
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So the thing about fueling your entire political campaign on the myth that the election system is corrupt, that election workers are incompetent and/or corrupt, and that the voting process overall can’t be trusted because of corruption is that you’re in a pretty awkward situation if you end up winning the election that you’d repeatedly claimed was rife with corruption.

That’s a potential dilemma far-right Arizona gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake’s facing right now, and it seems like she hasn’t quite figured out how she’ll navigate it.

When a reporter at Lake’s presser earlier today asked how she would be confident in her win if she doesn’t have confidence in the election, the election denier didn’t have much of an answer beyond simply attacking election officials as usual.

“I’m just not confident in the people who we’ve elected to run these elections. I mean, they’re not good. They’re not good at their jobs,” Lake said. “A bunch of bureaucrats who don’t know what the hell they’re doing.”
here

This inconsistency from many GOP candidates (if we lose, the election was fraudulent but if we win, it is valid) will be on display across the country over the next days and weeks.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 05:11 pm
@blatham,
Both Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams have consistently and repeatedly claimed that their defeats in their respective elections were the result of fraud and/or voter manipulation by their opponents. Hardly any different from the actions of former President Trump. Such irregularities do indeed occur, though whether they are determinative in the outcome is another question that can and should be determined by investigation and formal Judicial action.

There is a fairly rich history of patronage and voter manipulation in our country, particularly in state and local elections by mostly Democrat machines in big cities like New York and Chicago.

I suspect Balham's real issue here is the acceptance of election outcomes by candidates and the application of established judicial procedures by candidates in the event of claimed fraud. It does occur , but there are more or less equivalent examples on both sides of this issue. Blatham appears to have ignored that obvious, but perhaps inconvenient, fact.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 05:16 pm
@blatham,
Boomerang 🪃
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 07:37 pm
@Builder,
You're behind the times. Trumps "special prosecutor" FINALLY wrote his report, and it says you got it all wrong. Again. Like always. Look at a real news source for once, dipstick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/18/igor-danchenko-john-durham-verdict/

The one guy he managed to indict was acquited.

You do know the GOP hired Steele and when they saw his investigation wasn't going their way they dropped it like a handful of ****. Then the Democrats got it. And then Trump lost his mind over it.

Your revisionist history stinks badly.



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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 09:20 pm
@georgeob1,
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“more or less equivalent”

You permit yourself a generous range of modifiers for equivalent. Perhaps as if we were discussing criminal acts and suggested that Bugs Bunny stealing carrots was more or less equivalent to Jack the Ripper slicing women into parts.

When Clinton lost the election, she conceded within 24 hours.
Trump has never conceded that he lost, only acknowledging that Biden would be the next President. And that came only after the rioters were removed from the Capital and the election was certified on Jan 6.

Clinton based her claims of Trump as illegitimate based on Russian involvement in the election to aid Trump which was, as you know, found by Mueller to be the case. But not merely Mueller. Facebook, Twitter and other social media companies found this to be so. As has the intelligence agencies in the US and also of pretty much every western country. She said this a handful of times.

Trump, on the other hand, had claimed many times before the election that if he lost it would only be because the Deep State or some other entities would have cheated him out of winning. Between election night and yesterday, Trump has repeated in speeches, press releases, interviews and social media posts literally hundreds of times that he won in a landslide but it was stolen.

Trump’s constant repetition over two years of his lie has no precedent in American history. There’s nothing remotely close. What happened on Jan 6, as a consequence of Trump’s lie along with related agitprop and along with right wing media entities repeating the lie and the agitprop in an attempt to overturn an election is also without precedent.

And finally, let's note that something like 70% of Republicans have been convinced that Trump won the election. If you were honest, you would acknowledge that these people have been made purposefully more stupid - which is the fundamental goal of liars.


bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 09:33 pm
@blatham,
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More or less equivalent


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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 11:28 pm
Quote:
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@colbertlateshow
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Right now, Sen. Raphael Warnock and Herschel Walker are neck and almost entirely neck.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 11:31 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Frank,
I find it both amusing and bewildering that so many Democrats characterize their Republican opponents as "authoritarian" (and worse). The observable fact is that the policies advocated by contemporary Democrats consistently involve ever more intrusive government management of the public and personal actions (and often even speech) of people everywhere, than do those of the Republicans they so falsely characterize as "authoritarian".

Republicans in the policies they favor and enact do indeed promote more individual freedom and initiative than do Democrats who generally favor increased government management of of our lives and economy.

Who are the real authoritarians here?


This reminds me of Putin claiming he had no intention of invading Ukraine. Did you believe that as well?
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 11:40 pm
@glitterbag,
He, like so many Repubs, wish our government was a spitting image of Russian - whatever the leader wishes, becomes fact.......
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2022 11:44 pm
@glitterbag,
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This reminds me of Putin claiming he had no intention of invading Ukraine.


This reminds me of Putin exposing Obama's funding of IS in Syria.

But Vlad did warn also about NATO expansion plans into Ukraine.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/23/putin-demands-nato-not-expand-into-ukraine-blames-us/
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2022 01:26 am
OK. It's after 11 here on the west coast and I'm going to bed. But...

Republicans now have some very big problems. In Obama's and Clinton's first mid term elections, they both lost something like 50 or more seats in the House. Even if Republicans gain a majority, it will be a sliver. In other words, Biden has done extraordinarily well here. Particularly given inflation and gas prices.

Further, they now have to grapple with Trump. His candidates have done very poorly today and he himself is clearly a drag on the party. And then there's the abortion issue which will only continue to hurt them.

So what will they do? Results in Florida are their only real high point so attention will surely fall on DeSantis as potential savior. But that's a road filled with landmines because Trump very much wants to run again and hopefully regain the WH if only to satisfy his particular psychoses AND to avoid or delay all the legal problems he is facing. That's an internecine GOP war that will be very ugly and untidy in great part because of the MAGA dynamic that has formed up over the last 6 or 7 years.
 

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