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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 05:34 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

revelette1 wrote:
Exactly. It's a recognizable pattern, which is why it seems as though we are ganging up on her.

The problem is not that many people here differ with her.

The problem is that people here are attacking her instead of attacking her arguments when they disagree with her.


Following a discussion and adding relevant points is useful. Going off on multiple tangents isn't. The point where an 84 yr old man was attacked with a hammer in his own home morphed into a tirade over terms limits in a span of two posts, none of which were pertinent to the violent attack.

The "look-at-me, look-at-me" dialog is unwarranted and distracts from the discussion.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 06:37 am

this guy... Rolling Eyes

Immigration officials say Pelosi attacker was in US illegally
(cnn)
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 06:53 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
“look at me, look at me!” dialogue


Well put
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 07:31 am
@neptuneblue,
When someone mentions something you’re not interested in, don’t respond to it or thumb it down to remove it from your sight.

Be a part of other conversations.

That way, everyone has the freedom to talk about what they’re interested in.

I’ve never thought *you* shouldn’t be allowed to talk about a topic. I just step over most of what you say—occasionally dipping in when I’m compelled or interested.

‘Distraction’ doesn’t happen on a community discussion board. That’s just a buzzword to try to shut down discussion you don’t like.

Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 07:37 am
@snood,
Don’t look at me. Don’t look at me.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 11:07 am
@Lash,
Quote:
When someone mentions something you’re not interested in, don’t respond to it or thumb it down to remove it from your sight.

Be a part of other conversations.

That way, everyone has the freedom to talk about what they’re interested in.

None of your recent posts have been removed. You haven't been banned. What has happened is (1) that some of your posts have received criticism and (2) that your behavior in the discussion has been criticized and your motives questioned. "Freedom to talk" would obviously include the freedom to be critical in response to posts.

It all started with your claim that the Pelosi attacker was a leftist. This was a claim for which you failed to provide the information source you'd drawn from. And when you posted, information was already being widely reported which contradicted the claim.

As days passed, more information was being reported almost hourly which further clarified that your claim was false and others here had been posting this information (with citations/links). Some of us pointed out that your claim - which you were still supporting - depended upon (1) such suggestions as nudism or jewelry making using hemp stood as evidence of "leftism" and (2) you ignoring that his Green Party support happened a decade ago and (3) that his more recent social media posts were filled with extremist right wing notions.

Through all this, you refused to back down from your initial claim or to simply admit you had it wrong (imagine how differently the conversation would have gone if you'd simply done this).

Instead, you shifted to the suggestion that we couldn't know what really happened unless the Pelosi family publicly released video of the events that evening. As you and all of us know, when you posted this suggestion of relevant unknowns or hidden facts, some voices on the right (in the attempt to distract and shift the focus of attention and to evade the consequences of current right wing violent rhetoric being further exposed) were also suggesting something similar and were creating fake narratives of a homosexual tryst gone wrong. When I asked you what information such video recordings relevant to the attacker's motives might reveal, you failed to give a response. Further, it was obvious that any/all video recordings made inside or exterior to the home that night would have been quickly viewed by all relevant policing entities.

Then, all of a sudden, you dropped this storyline without any correction or admission your story was without any foundation and shifted to TERM LIMITS (in upper case).

Quote:
‘Distraction’ doesn’t happen on a community discussion board. That’s just a buzzword to try to shut down discussion you don’t like.

The fallacies of irrelevance - that is, rhetorical techniques to confuse and distract - were codified by Athenians in 500BC. Propagandist use of such techniques have long been studied and written about adding to our understanding of a subject the Greeks addressed. And every social media entity spends enormous amounts of time and money (where they have the financial capacity) identifying and marginalizing bad faith actors, domestic and foreign, who set out to spread false information and to distract.

As you and everyone else here surely grasps, I deem you a bad faith actor. This arises from both the content of what you commonly post and from your posting behaviors.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 11:19 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Builder wrote:

Quote:
An 84 yr old man had his house broken into and attacked with a hammer.


Crime families know exactly what's happening here.

The question you want to ask yourself (but won't) is 'why are these octogenarians not enjoying their retirement years'?

Pelosi (and her puppet Biden) can barely string a few sentences together.

If they were in the private sector, they would have been kicked to the kerb two decades ago.

What are they doing still in positions of power?

They can't even get it together to speak coherently.

They're puppets that the public recognize as somehow trust worthy.

They're basically all the "party" has, at this point in time.

Criminal elements at work behind the scenes want them at the visible "wheel" of the party.


Ok, this is just too funny and shows you actually have no idea about our government.

The five oldest senators are:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) — 88
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) — 88
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) — 87
Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) — 87
Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) — 81

Ten of the 28 senators up for reelection in 2022 are 65 and older.
Of the 439 representatives, 151 of them are 65 or older.
Of the 382 representatives running for reelection in 2022, 128 are 65 or older.

Age of Congress by Party

The average age of Democrats in Congress is 61 and of Republicans is 58. When separated by chambers, the averages are fairly similar, with Republican senators on average being older than Democrat senators, while Democrat representatives, on average, are older than Republican representatives.

https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/the-current-congress-is-among-the-oldest-in-history/

Again, you really look stupid when you spew nothingness and try to pass it as fact.


This post created my most recent interest in TERM LIMITS.

The last post I made and intended to make about the Pelosi attack was — the Pelosis can put all questions to rest when they release security video of the event.

Honest people want to release evidentiary video.
Dishonest people do not.

Proof or disproof exists.
Let’s see it.

I think you spend far too much of your time trying to control what I say and think.

blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 11:39 am
@Lash,
Quote:
The last post I made and intended to make about the Pelosi attack was — the Pelosis can put all questions to rest when they release security video of the event.

Honest people want to release evidentiary video.

You're the mate of a politician. Your child is hacked to bits with an axe then eaten. The crime is caught on your home video. The police have access to that video and have viewed it.

But unless you make a public release of home video showing your daughter being hacked to bits and eaten, then you are hiding something and are dishonest.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 01:01 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
The last post I made and intended to make about the Pelosi attack was — the Pelosis can put all questions to rest when they release security video of the event.

Honest people want to release evidentiary video.

You're the mate of a politician. Your child is hacked to bits with an axe then eaten. The crime is caught on your home video. The police have access to that video and have viewed it.

But unless you make a public release of home video showing your daughter being hacked to bits and eaten, then you are hiding something and are dishonest.

We don’t have to make any distracting story up. The story you believe doesn’t have anyone hacked up.

How about 1. DePape breaking in —and 2. who answered the door.
That’s all I need to go along with the basic story.
(with time stamps and no evidence of tampering)
How about that?
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 01:29 pm
You need to get out a Greek history book to come up with your answer?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 02:01 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
You need to get out a Greek history book to come up with your answer?
It's more likely a political sciences textbook, democracy and all that, you know. (But I admit that I first heart about in history lessons at school Smile )
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 02:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Well, I’m glad he’s studying.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 02:11 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
The officer in D.C. quickly pulled up additional camera angles from around Pelosi’s home and began to backtrack, watching recordings from the minutes before San Francisco police arrived. There, on camera, was a man with a hammer, breaking a glass panel and entering the speaker’s home, according to three people familiar with how Capitol Police learned of the break-in and who have been briefed on or viewed the video themselves.
HERE
This information was reported at least 2 days ago.

Quote:
That’s all I need to go along with the basic story.
(with time stamps and no evidence of tampering)

Right. Because the Pelosi family should demand the video of their husband/father/grandfather being attacked by a man fracturing his skull with a hammer and lying unconscious on the floor in a pool of blood be published on major news media for people like you to watch. And the staffs of the Capitol Police and the San Francisco PD might be in on a conspiracy of silence and lies to cover up some secret and corrupt Pelosi-incriminating events.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 02:43 pm
@blatham,
No jackass.

Did you actually pay attention to the goofy screed you just wrote about how the Greeks judged someone a bad faith actor during a debate??

You described your own cheap, dishonest method of argument.

You’re desperate to act as though I want to see prurient or shocking footage, because you can’t argue against the tiny bit of evidentiary footage I require to believe the establishment narrative.

1. Depape breaking in
2. Who answered the door for the cops

That’s it.
Why wouldn’t they show it?
Why don’t you concede they should show those two little pieces of film?

It would shut down the biggest questions raised by inconsistencies in the story.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 02:45 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Well, I’m glad he’s studying.

Needs to read more.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:05 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
A San Francisco police officer arrived at the house at 2:31 a.m. and knocked on the front door, according to the complaint. DePape told police that he and Paul Pelosi had gone downstairs to the front door and Paul Pelosi opened the door for police.
3 days ago
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:07 pm
@blatham,
FILM.

Do you believe everything you read?
Uncritical of power, much?

So, wait.
First report from cops was a third person opened the door for cops. Cops entered to see Pelosi and DePape, both with a hand on the same hammer. As cops entered, DePape wrenched the hammer from Pelosi and swung, striking him.

The next day, everyone interviewed recanted the third person story.

Now, they’re saying Pelosi opened the door and totally recanting on the scene with the hammer???

There is some **** in Denmark.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:23 pm
@Lash,
Just for shits and grins,

What motive do you imagine the Pelosis would have to stage an elaborate hoax - that involves the police, the media, the FBI, and SF General hospital - to convince everyone that Paul Pelosi was beaten with a hammer badly enough to be put in intensive care?

Just spitball it. What motive?
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:34 pm
Anti-Abortion PACs Spent $1.1 Million In Just Four Weeks Backing Herschel Walker
Because power is the real principle.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:52 pm
@snood,
I don’t think they created this attack out of whole cloth.

I think Pelosi was eventually assaulted by DePape.

But, because of a lot of inconsistencies and outright backtracking, I have serious doubts about the story around it.

 

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