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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:39 am
@izzythepush,
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Looks like Netanyahu will be returned to power as head of a far right bloc.

Not a done deal yet but yes, damned disappointing.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:46 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Only Sanders? Not Pelosi and Feinstein and the others? You’re so intellectually dishonest.

ALL OF THEM.


An 84 yr old man was attacked with a hammer in his home. He isn't a part of the government yet you launched into a tirade for term limits.

That's the intellectually dishonest part of your post.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:49 am
Would a hammer attack be more palatable if it were someone in their 50's? 40's? 30's?

Exactly how old is somebody supposed to be as deemed acceptable to be attacked?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:51 am
@blatham,
You have slipped down the ultimate rabbit hole.
Bon voyage!! 🛳👋🤪
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:53 am
@neptuneblue,
The attack on Pelosi has nothing to do with this country’s need for TERM LIMITS.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:54 am
@Lash,
And yet you brought it up.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 10:59 am
@neptuneblue,
I’ve brought it up a lot.
https://able2know.org/topic/58892-2#post-1552547
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 11:01 am
@Lash,
A post from 2005? What does that have to do with an 84 yr old man being attacked with a hammer in his own house??
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 11:06 am
@neptuneblue,
Absolutely nothing. Thanks for underscoring my point.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 11:44 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

The attack on Pelosi has nothing to do with this country’s need for TERM LIMITS.


Getting "term limits" means passing legislation setting term limits. That has s much chance of passing as a huge pay cut for legislators. And even if it passed, I doubt it would be particularly effective in dealing with the problem which cause you to promote them.

I agree with your sentiment, however, that some people overstay their welcome...and usefulness.

SOME! Not all.

Perhaps re-election should be something that requires a super majority to accomplish. But even that has fatal flaws. I suspect the people who should head the list to be ejected...are the ones who have the best chance at getting a super majority.

Things are screwed up. We do nothing to help by suggesting solutions that are not solutions.

Society has to change...not the way we are governed.

Now...how do we do that?
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 12:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:


Society has to change...not the way we are governed.

Now...how do we do that?


Maybe the Western world needs to experience severe deprivation in order to understand the reality of what's going on around the world. We are too complacent in our homes with heat, clean drinking water, and food. If all of us were to spend just a week in a Guantanamo Bay, refugee camp or war zone, it might just shake us up and make us realize what really matters, to have more compassion for the suffering of others, to appreciate what we have and to wake the hell up as to what's really important. That, in turn, might lead us to caring more about who we're electing to office.

Sounds simplistic, and will certainly never happen, but I think we need a wake up call.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 12:10 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:


Frank Apisa wrote:


Society has to change...not the way we are governed.

Now...how do we do that?


Maybe the Western world needs to experience severe deprivation in order to understand the reality of what's going on around the world. We are too complacent in our homes with heat, clean drinking water, and food. If all of us were to spend just a week in a Guantanamo Bay, refugee camp or war zone, it might just shake us up and make us realize what really matters, to have more compassion for the suffering of others, to appreciate what we have and to wake the hell up as to what's really important. That, in turn, might lead us to caring more about who we're electing to office.

Sounds simplistic, and will certainly never happen, but I think we need a wake up call.



Yep.

And for those of us who have experienced less than ideal conditions during our lifetimes...your comments are especially cogent.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 12:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Now...how do we do that?

I would exert considerable energy if I knew.

I agreed with everything you said.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 12:14 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

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Now...how do we do that?

I would exert considerable energy if I knew.

I agreed with everything you said.


I don't know how...or even how to start either, Lash.

The words "Hell" and "handbasket" keep coming to my mind lately.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 01:41 pm
@hightor,
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The dark heart of the GOP



I couldn't agree more with the entirety of this post. Thanks for posting it.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 01:45 pm
@blatham,
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And of course, the real question here is why you might be trying to shift attention away from the consequences of far right violent and even murderous rhetoric now absolutely ubiquitous in right wing media and from the mouths of Republican in or running for office and instead forwarding the same sort of disinformation that comes from those sources?


Exactly. It's a recognizable pattern, which is why it seems as though we are ganging up on her. But trying to have a meaningful dialogue is just impossible with her.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2022 06:51 pm
@revelette1,
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But trying to have a meaningful dialogue is just impossible with her.


It's a two-way street.

You're either in the clique here, or you're targeted by the clique.

Not surprised that you don't understand that, either.

Numbers are dwindling, and eventually you end up with an echo chamber.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 12:30 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Exactly. It's a recognizable pattern, which is why it seems as though we are ganging up on her.

The problem is not that many people here differ with her.

The problem is that people here are attacking her instead of attacking her arguments when they disagree with her.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:11 am
@oralloy,
People tend to end up attacking each other instead of ideas. I don't think there's a simple solution, other than ignoring personal insults or at least dealing with them in a very measured way which conveys neither anger nor irritation. But where else do we have such freedom to insult, hurt, and condemn people we don't particularly like? It's a veritable Disneyworld of petulance and vanity on display! It's an ideological boxing ring! It's a human zoo!

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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2022 03:12 am
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“Anecdotal data point,” conservative commentator Tom Nichols tweeted this afternoon, “Had lunch with an old friend, a fellow former [Republican] (but not in politics or media or anything) and he said that things feel different after the Pelosi attack. Not sure why. I feel the same thing; not sure that it’ll matter, but have that same sense.”

Perhaps it is the echoes of lawyer Joseph Nye Welch, who in 1954 on television confronted Joseph McCarthy as the Wisconsin senator shredded people’s lives by accusing them of being communists: “Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness…. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

Perhaps it is the many observers pointing out that in a time when more than half the Republicans running for office have refused to acknowledge that Democratic President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, and when Republican legislatures are claiming the right to choose presidential electors without the input of voters, “American democracy is on the line.”

Or perhaps it is the sheer horror of Republican politicians joking about a brutal attack on the Speaker of the House, the second in line for the presidency, an attack that left her elderly husband with a fractured skull, but Nichols is right: something feels different.

Tonight, President Joe Biden gave a speech on democracy. He began by describing the attack on Paul Pelosi, then noting that the attacker’s demand, “Where’s Nancy?”, echoed the words “used by the mob when they stormed the United States Capitol on January the 6th, when they broke windows, kicked in the doors, brutally attacked law enforcement, roamed the corridors hunting for officials and erected gallows to hang the former vice president, Mike Pence.”

That enraged mob had been whipped into a frenzy by former president Trump’s repeating the Big Lie that the 2020 election had been stolen. That lie, Biden said, has “fueled the dangerous rise in political violence and voter intimidation over the past two years.”

Biden urged us to “confront those lies with the truth,” for “the very future of our nation depends on it.” “We must with one overwhelming unified voice speak as a country and say there’s no place, no place for voter intimidation or political violence in America. Whether it’s directed at Democrats or Republicans. No place, period. No place ever.”

“Democracy itself” is at stake in the upcoming election, Biden said. He appealed “to all Americans, regardless of party, to meet this moment of national and generational importance.” Nothing is guaranteed about democracy in America, he said, “Every generation has had to defend it, protect it, preserve it, choose it. For that’s what democracy is. It’s a choice, a decision of the people, by the people, and for the people.”

“We the people must decide whether we will have fair and free elections and every vote counts. We the people must decide whether we’re going to sustain a republic, where reality’s accepted, the law is obeyed, and your vote is truly sacred. We the people must decide whether the rule of law will prevail or whether we will allow the dark forces and thirst for power put ahead of the principles that have long guided us.”

Biden warned that the same forces that challenged the 2020 election, despite all the confirmations of its results, are setting out to question the legitimacy of the 2022 election. MAGA Republicans are “trying to succeed where they failed in 2020, to suppress the right of voters and subvert the electoral system itself. That means denying your right to vote and deciding whether your vote even counts.” They’ve encouraged violence and intimidation of voters and election workers, Biden said. “It’s damaging, it’s corrosive, and it’s destructive.”

“And I want to be very clear,” Biden said, “this is not about me, it’s about all of us. It’s about what makes America America. It’s about the durability of our democracy. For democracies are more than a form of government. They’re a way of being, a way of seeing the world, a way that defines who we are, what we believe, why we do what we do.”

Biden warned that “we can’t take democracy for granted any longer.”

“Democracy means the rule of the people, not the rule of monarchs or the moneyed, but the rule of the people. Autocracy is the opposite of democracy. It means the rule of one, one person, one interest, one ideology, one party…. [T]he lives of billions of people, from antiquity till now, have been shaped by the battle between these competing forces, between the aspirations of the many and the greed and power of the few, between the people’s right for self-determination and the self-seeking autocrat, between the dreams of a democracy and the appetites of an autocracy.”

“What we’re doing now is going to determine whether democracy will long endure and… whether the American system that prizes the individual bends toward justice and depends on the rule of law, whether that system will prevail. This is the struggle we’re now in, a struggle for democracy, a struggle for decency and dignity, a struggle for prosperity and progress, a struggle for the very soul of America itself.”

Biden listed the “fundamental values and beliefs that unite us as Americans.” First, “we believe the vote in America’s sacred, to be honored, not denied; respected, not dismissed; counted, not ignored. A vote is not a partisan tool, to be counted when it helps your candidates and tossed aside when it doesn’t.” “Second,” he said, “we…stand against political violence and voter intimidation.” “We don’t settle our differences…with a riot, a mob, or a bullet, or a hammer. We settle them peacefully at the ballot box.” Third, he said, “we believe in democracy…. History and common sense tell us that liberty, opportunity, and justice thrive in a democracy, not in an autocracy.”

“At our best,” the president said, “America is not a zero-sum society where for you to succeed, someone else has to fail. A promise in America is big enough…for everyone to succeed…. Individual dignity, individual worth, individual determination, that’s America, that’s democracy and that’s what we have to defend.”

He urged voters to judge the candidates by whether they would accept the legitimate will of the American people. “Will that person accept the outcome of the election, win or lose?” The answer to that question should be decisive. “Too many people have sacrificed too much for too many years for us to walk away from the American project and democracy…. It’s within our power, each and every one of us, to preserve our democracy.”

“You have the power, it’s your choice, it’s your decision, the fate of the nation, the fate of the soul of America lies where it always does, with the people, in your hands, in your heart, in your ballot.”

hcr
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