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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:55 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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Unless you think I’ve mustered the evil powers of controlling Google, Google the attacker’s bio. Jeez, you guys exert a lot of effort to avoid the truth.

Details of the man's bio have been reported on by countless media entities. Your claim that he was a leftist are contradicted pretty much everywhere. See here



I am enjoying watching you attempt to reason with Lash, Bernie.

Can't imagine what's next. Perhaps you're gonna wrestle with GOD...or do some space/time travel?

Probably be just as productive.

But kudos for the attempts. Makes for interesting reading.

Snood...hope you are reading this. Same goes for you. I actually laugh out loud at some of your comments. But getting through to Lash takes some mighty doin'.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:58 am
@revelette1,
Straw man
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:01 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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And you reframed my comments in such a way to intentionally misrepresent what I said.

Sure. Let's quote what it was you wrote:
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The Pelosi assailant was a lefty.


And, let’s quote what it was you wrote:
I suppose because he was a hemp jewelry maker he is a leftist
And also he is a nudist. So that's the "reasoning" or "evidence" Lash forwards for her claim.

That is not what I said.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:11 am
@Lash,
Okay. Why did you say the attacker was a lefty? Wait, are you now saying you didn’t say that?
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:30 am
@Lash,
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The way he voted should be mentioned. Green Party.

So who followed him into the voting booth to witness this? Really, in many states the Green Party offers a convenient "none-of-the-above" choice; DePape seems attracted to viewpoints which are critical of the status quo but not necessarily falling tidily into place on the boring and cliched left-right spectrum. A lot of activists were made uncomfortable by Lee Oswald's embrace of leftist politics, but given the evidence, begrudgingly accepted that the confused and troubled individual had indeed latched onto aspects of Marxist thought and identified himself that way. But in this case the charge just seems rather lame, as if labeling a madman as a "lefty" explains anything or reflects badly on the left – it doesn't.

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Libs used to distrust the FBI CIA MIC—now, they embrace them.

Doesn't it depend on what these agencies are doing specifically? When the FBI was trying to frame Martin Luther King or spying on student activists we distrusted them. When the CIA plotted to overthrow of progressive governments we denounced them. (I don't know what "MIC" refers to.) But when the FBI revealed Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election or when the CIA argued against Saddam's having "weapons of mass destruction" we were willing to accept those facts and use them against the right. To say that "libs embrace" these groups is an exaggeration.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:36 am
@blatham,
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Sure. Let's quote what it was you wrote:


Just using the word "lefty" speaks volumes.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:36 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The way he voted should be mentioned. Green Party.
I've wondered about this: how do you (or anyone else) know which party someone voted?
Here, even if someone claims, she/he voted for ***party, it's still not known since our elections are secret.

Lash wrote:
I don’t know of any conservatives who are nudist activists
And I wonder if a nudist isn't conservativ - most are "völkisch" since that how the movement started.

But as Goethe once said, “The only real human is the nude human”.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 11:04 am
The Robber Barons Had Nothing on Elon Musk

David Nasaw wrote:
Elon Musk is now the proud owner of Twitter. The danger here is not that we have a rogue billionaire in our midst — that has happened before, and it will happen again — but that this one will be in control of what he has rightly referred to as our “digital town square.”

Mr. Musk is the face of 21st-century tech-based, extreme capitalism, just as the robber barons, who built our railroads, and Andrew Carnegie, who supplied those railroads and the builders of modern American cities with steel, embodied the exuberant and expansive industrial capitalism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Mr. Musk has exploited the opportunities emerging in a rapidly disintegrating regulatory state apparatus and acquired a small army of investors and a fleet of lobbyists, lawyers and fanboys (known as Musketeers). He has sought to position himself as a tech genius who can break the rules, exploit and excise those who work for him, ridicule those who stand in his way and do as he wishes with his wealth because it benefits humanity. He’ll rescue the planet with his electric cars and save Ukraine with his satellite systems — but he must be freed of government interference to do these good deeds.

For more than two centuries, American moguls like Mr. Musk have transformed our economy and our daily lives (and enriched themselves) by playing a winning game with governments. They sought and received from those governments enormous subsidies and protection, while demanding that they be left alone to conduct their business as they pleased. The railroad robber barons built their fortunes on government-supplied land on which they laid their tracks and then collected government subsidies for every mile of it.

Carnegie and the steel barons elected Republican lawmakers and presidents committed to protecting their companies’ profits by levying high tariffs on foreign competitors. Mr. Musk’s companies, and his fortune, were built with billions of dollars’ worth of subsidies for his electric-car company, Tesla, and billions more in NASA contracts to ferry American astronauts into space, launch satellites and provide high-speed internet services tethered to his fleet of some 3,000 satellites.

What makes Mr. Musk particularly powerful and potentially more dangerous than the industrial-era moguls is his ability to promote his businesses and political notions with a tweet. The effect of such instant communications is enhanced by his firm understanding of media and market dynamics in this era of meme stocks, day trading, instant communications, misinformation and disinformation.

Carnegie kept his companies private because he did not want to be beholden to outside investors, influence and market conditions. Mr. Musk has done the opposite. His wealth is based not on factories he has built, products he sells or real estate he has acquired, but on the billions of dollars of shares he owns in Tesla, SpaceX, cryptocurrency companies and Twitter.

In August 2018, he tweeted that he was considering taking Tesla private at $420 a share. The Securities and Exchange Commission said Mr. Musk’s “misleading tweets” caused Tesla’s stock price to jump by over 6 percent and slapped him with a securities fraud charge. He then agreed to step down as Tesla’s chairman and to pay a $20 million penalty. Tesla paid another $20 million.

The Kennedy family patriarch, Joseph P. Kennedy, was always adept at manipulating stock prices, but as the first chairman of the S.E.C., he feared that capitalism would never recover from the Great Depression if manipulators and fraudsters were free to do as they pleased. Under Kennedy, the commission outlawed many of the practices that he had exploited to make his fortune, including short selling on insider information.

Mr. Musk has no such fears and no such scruples. As The Economist noted in April, Mr. Musk “promotes the idea that the normal rules of investment do not apply. He paints stewards of fair play — regulators and boards — as pettifogging enemies of progress.” He refers to S.E.C. officials as “those bastards.”

The likely consequences of Mr. Musk’s Twitter ownership will be political as well as economic disruption. By declaring that he intends to allow Donald Trump back on the site, he has signaled his opposition to policing it for political disinformation and misinformation. He has identified himself as a “free speech absolutist” and has repeated several times that he opposes and will limit censorship and will likely loosen content moderation rules.

It is not unreasonable to expect that a Musk-owned and controlled Twitter will, in the name of free speech, allow disinformation and misinformation to be tweeted ad infinitum so long as it discredits his political opponents and celebrates and enriches himself and his allies.

Mr. Musk is correct that “free speech” must be honored and protected. But is it not time that we, as a people and a nation, engage in a wide-ranging, inclusive public debate on when and how free speech creates “a clear and present danger” — as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. wrote a century ago — and whether we need government to find a way, through law or regulation or persuasion, to prevent this from happening?

Elon Musk is a product of his — and our — times. Rather than debate or deride his influence, we must recognize that he is not the self-made genius businessman he plays in the media. Instead, his success was prompted and paid for by taxpayer money and abetted by government officials who have allowed him and other billionaire businessmen to exercise more and more control over our economy and our politics.

nyt
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 11:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Can't imagine what's next. Perhaps you're gonna wrestle with GOD

Perhaps?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 11:53 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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Can't imagine what's next. Perhaps you're gonna wrestle with GOD

Perhaps?
You're a well-known veteran of the Titanomachy.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 12:03 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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I suppose because he was a hemp jewelry maker he is a leftist
And also he is a nudist. So that's the "reasoning" or "evidence" Lash forwards for her claim.

John Boehner, who is heavily invested in the cannabis industry - that is, weed with THC that gets consumers stoned as opposed to hemp products which don't, such as the attacker would use for jewelry-making, is even more obviously a leftie.

Roger Stone, who for years has been active in the swinger community rather than merely nudism, is another obvious leftie.

And of course, Lash ignores the other far more relevant and more recent details of this guy's social media posts which clearly demonstrate his involvement in far right ideology.


Did Boehner or Stone also grow up in Canada, and live in a commune or in a storage unit in Berkley? Did they experiment with heavy drugs? Did they live without a bank account?

Seems like you are trying to tie one single thing into a nice little bow and that's some seriously flawed bullshit. Even from you.

How about this, dude was a nutcase that was into his own problems, had mental health issues, and didn't receive any help.

It doesn't need to be political.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 12:42 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Okay. Why did you say the attacker was a lefty? Wait, are you now saying you didn’t say that?

His vote, activism, and lifestyle characterizes him as a lefty. I have no problem acknowledging that some recent conspiracy following smacks of extremist right wing narratives and mental instability.

I’m not afraid to look at the whole person.

Why are you and others fighting so hard to ignore his left wing background?
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 01:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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You're a well-known veteran of the Titanomachy.

Well, lesser known than some of my compatriots. Perhaps if I'd been given duties beyond filling in as Athena's dance coach...
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 01:48 pm
@McGentrix,
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grow up in Canada

As it happens, the community where the dude grew up is pretty much directly across the strait from where I now live. In fact, I was in Powell River four months ago.

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It doesn't need to be political.

Obviously the guy is a nutcase. But we probably ought to assume that many within the Nazi brownshirt crowd were nutcases. Likewise many who attacked the capital on Jan 6. A troubled mind and violent political acts are not strangers to each other. And violent political rhetoric is often what bonds the two together.

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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 02:10 pm
@Lash,
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I’m not afraid to look at the whole person.

And label him based on past associations which he seems to have outgrown. To quote an esteemed A2K member, "Seems like you are trying to tie one single thing into a nice little bow and that's some seriously flawed bullshit."

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Why are you and others fighting so hard to ignore his left wing background?

Maybe because you seem so intent on highlighting it as something meaningful. From what we know so far, he seems more of a political dilettante than a committed progressive. Political activism itself is not a solely left-wing phenomenon; as the existence of right-to-lifers, anti-vaxxers, "Unite the Right" marchers, tax protestors, and christian nationalists clearly shows, political demonstrations are a tactic used on both sides.

FindLaw staff wrote:
Protesting -- the time-honored practice of publicly speaking out against perceived injustices and urging action -- is a form of assembly and thus protected by the Constitution.


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 03:38 pm
@oralloy,
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Kosovar independence is equally a violation of the UN Charter and international law.


BULLSHIT.

Care to post some UN declaration condemning Kosovo for the Kosovars??????

The UN okayed the campaign to allow 97% of the population of Kosovo - to drive Serbian Nationalist Militias out. The Serbs would do anything to keep Kosovo - except live there.

Where do you dig your absolutely fictional history from, anyways?????????
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 03:42 pm
@Lash,
While the details are true, he was and is a RW "activist", pro Trump: one of yours.

I don't know where you get that "Greens" are liberals, cuz for the most part past the environment they are doctrinaire RWers.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 03:47 pm
@oralloy,
What Republic do you live in, The Republic of Crazy Thinking? Cite the laws that sanctions an impeachment after the POTUS is out of office???

Because that is the only sanction from a conviction in the Senate: being put out of the office, the Senate has two options: not guilty and guilty, and the only punishment is to put the guilty out of office.

Sometimes I wonder what's wrong with you.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 03:49 pm
@snood,
The crazy part is: she claims to be a teacher. Think about that for a moment.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 03:58 pm
@Lash,
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Why can’t you admit the items I mentioned are true?


Cause there aren't any.

He was not any sort of leftist. He may be some sort of libertarian - a libertarian in a Republican who wants to smoke pot and consort with prostitutes legally. He may be nuts - he follows Q and Mike Lindell, promotes the Big Lie. Sort of like you.
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