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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 03:50 am
@hightor,
Lash, while claiming to be a liberal attacks "lefties" for the crime comitted by right wingers.

Does anybody, anybody at all believe her bs about being left wing?

Don't all shout up at once.

Disclaimer, far right nutjobs needn't bother. I know Oralloy, et al will claim to believe her, that's a given.

I'm talking about normal, sane individuals.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 04:45 am
@izzythepush,
I haven’t believed anything she says on here for years now.

Even so, it’s still a bit unsettling to see someone who tries to pass as reasonable and intelligent (and liberal) peddling such blatant, stupidly transparent lies as “Pelosi’s attacker is a leftist”.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 05:21 am
@snood,

Right out of the Gabbard playbook...

Even so, it’s still a bit unsettling to see someone who tries to pass as reasonable and intelligent (and liberal) peddling such blatant, stupidly transparent lies as “Biden's covering up the existence of Ukrainian bio-weapons labs”. Or maybe this one, "Democrats are taking away the rights and opportunities of women and girls across this country. They are erasing us, as women, as an entire category." Or how about, "Some of the people that I've talked about in the Biden administration – the national security state apparatus that's being weaponized against our fellow Americans, again, because they voted against the president or because they disagree with his policies."

hightor
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 06:07 am
By Buying Twitter, Elon Musk Has Created His Own Hilarious Nightmare

Musk will likely ruin Twitter for one specific user: himself.

Quote:
Elon Musk (and his consortium of much smaller investors) now owns Twitter. We need to take seriously the possibility that this will end up being one of the funniest things that’s ever happened.

That’s because as of this moment, it looks like Musk dug a big hole in the forest, carefully filled it with punji sticks and crocodiles, and then jumped in.

This was made immediately clear by Musk’s “Dear Twitter Advertisers” tweet as the deal closed:

Dear Twitter Advertisers pic.twitter.com/GMwHmInPAS
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 27, 2022


The statement starts off, promisingly, with a blatant lie: “The reason I acquired Twitter is because it is important for the future of civilization to have a common digital town square.” Musk apparently believes that no one will remember that until three weeks ago, he was desperately trying not to buy Twitter. The only reason he did is because he was about to lose Twitter’s lawsuit to force him to buy it. This may be the greatest “you can’t fire me because I quit” moment in history.

The significance of the rest of his statement is more subtle. To understand it, you have to start with the basics.

Twitter currently makes 90 percent of its revenue from advertising. (The rest is largely from data licensing.) This means that you, the Twitter user, are not Twitter’s customers. You are its product. Its customers are corporate advertisers and, as every businessperson knows, the customer is always right. Grocery stores care about the people shopping for Cheetos, not about the feelings of the Cheetos themselves.

Twitter’s content moderation has sometimes been heavy-handed — especially when it froze my account because David Duke got mad at me. But this is not because Twitter is run by a woke mob. It’s because Twitter needs to keep advertisers happy — and their top priority is a certain kind of environment for their ads.

This can take specific forms. Delta probably has it written into its contract that its ads won’t run near any tweets about plane crashes. But more generally, advertisers don’t want anything controversial that gets people out of the buying mood, or worse, mad at the brands themselves. Proctor & Gamble can’t allow its ads for Charmin, targeted at the Upscale Panera Mom micro-demographic, to appear below frothing diatribes about annihilating all Muslims.

Twitter is also, speaking just in financial terms, a crummy business. It’s only been profitable for two years of its existence, 2018 and 2019. In 2020 it lost over $1 billion, rebounding to lose a mere $222 million in 2021.

To make matters worse, Musk’s deal to buy Twitter involved taking out $12.5 billion in loans. This means that Twitter will have to come up with an additional $1 billion a year to service this debt.

This is why Musk hit the ground running with a groveling attempt to propitiate advertisers. He absolutely must keep them happy.

Thus if Twitter simply continues on its current path, it will lose huge amounts of money indefinitely. But if advertisers get nervous about Musk’s management and flee the platform, it could see losses every year in the multiple billions of dollars.

It’s true that Musk has said, “I don’t care about the economics at all.” But even as the richest man on earth, he has to care about them. He has a current estimated net worth of $220 billion, but that’s not $220 billion in cash sitting in a bank vault — it’s mostly tied up in his stakes in Tesla and SpaceX.

Thus to cover big Twitter losses, he would have to sell off more of his stock every year. This would be painful in monetary terms but more so in terms of power: Eventually he would get into a situation in which he could lose control of the companies, Tesla in particular. Moreover, Tesla is publicly traded, and while it’s fallen 45 percent since its high a year ago, it remains way overvalued by normal metrics. Right now its price-earnings ratio is 70. The historical average for the S&P 500 is about 15. The price-earnings ratio for both Ford and GM right now is 6.

This is why Musk hit the ground running with a groveling attempt to propitiate advertisers. He absolutely must keep them happy. As he put it, “Twitter aspires to be the most respected advertising platform in the world that strengthens your brand and grows your enterprise.”

And that’s where the hilarity begins. Musk has engaged in endless paeans to the glory of free speech and the need to end Twitter’s invidious censorship. This clearly isn’t a subject he’s thought deeply about, since he said back in May that Twitter should delete “tweets that are wrong and bad.” Still, his vague pronouncements have given him a legion of right-wing acolytes who feel they’ve been ill-treated by Twitter.

But they are not Musk’s constituency now. Advertisers are. Even if Musk had some genuine commitment to free speech (which he absolutely does not), it would be essentially impossible for him not to continue significant content moderation.

That’s why, after a brief nod to his wish for Twitter to be a place “where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner,” he quickly pivoted to telling advertisers that “Twitter obviously cannot be a free-for-all hellscape, where anything can be said with no consequences! In addition to adhering to the laws of the land, our platform must be warm and welcoming to all.”

This could have been the mission statement of pre-Musk Twitter. But now there’s one big difference: When the content moderation of Twitter remains largely the same, the sense of betrayal among Musk’s super-fans will explode with the force of a supernova. And they will scream at Musk about it nonstop — on Twitter.

Another mogul might have the fortitude to ignore this. But Musk does not, judging by past performance. You can also judge this by current performance: On his first full day on the job, Musk is personally “digging in” to the complaints of Catturd ™.

I will be digging in more today
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 28, 2022


And while Musk has announced a new “content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints,” he will feel constantly compelled to either explain why he’s standing by his underlings’ moderation decisions, or reverse them. Then he will inevitably be drawn into personally making more and more content calls, perhaps giving the thumbs up or thumbs down to individual tweets.

It will be hell on earth for him. No matter what decisions he makes, he will infuriate large swaths of Twitter. The left will see its suspicions about him confirmed. The right will see him as a horrendous sellout, just another lying Big Tech swine. Joe Rogan will shake his head sadly about what happened to Elon. Eventually what used to give Musk the greatest pleasure, opening up Twitter on his phone, will be a source of excruciating pain.

And that’s just the beginning. Musk has important business interests around the world, and the potential riptides are endless. What happens when Kim Kardashian starts tweeting about how Taiwan is an independent country? Will the government of China quietly suggest to Musk that he do something about this, or will they make things hard for Tesla’s Shanghai plant and block the import of Teslas? What do other Tesla shareholders do if he defies China, and they find out his little bird app adventure is losing them money? What happens when a SpaceX rocket explodes, but Musk has been too busy adjudicating which Nazi furries are going to be suspended for a month?

This future is obviously not foreordained. Possibly Musk will do what no human has ever been able to do before and invent 1) content moderation that everyone likes at an enormous scale, and 2) a way to make huge amounts of money off Twitter. Maybe Tesla will become so profitable that he can use it to subsidize Twitter until 2090. But the most likely outcome is that he’s just asked the monkey’s paw to grant him his greatest wish. Now look as the paw crooks its gnarled finger, and Musk’s love for Twitter ends up obliterating the Twitter experience for one specific user: Elon Musk.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 06:08 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Even so, it’s still a bit unsettling to see someone who tries to pass as reasonable and intelligent (and liberal) peddling such blatant, stupidly transparent lies as “Biden's covering up the existence of Ukrainian bio-weapons labs”. Or maybe this one, "Democrats are taking away the rights and opportunities of women and girls across this country. They are erasing us, as women, as an entire category." Or how about, "Some of the people that I've talked about in the Biden administration – the national security state apparatus that's being weaponized against our fellow Americans, again, because they voted against the president or because they disagree with his policies."

I felt totally fooled into thinking that someone with blog topics like "Balcks Nda jEwS," "Were the Germans so Stupid?" "Who FINANCED Hitler's rise to Power" and "Gas chamber doors" as well as normal pro-Trump and anti-Democratic posts could be left-leaning.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 07:08 am
The Russian Ministry of Defence claims that "representatives of a British Navy unit were involved in the planning, organisation and execution of the terrorist attack in the Baltic Sea on 26 September this year".

Curiously, Moscow accuses the UK only in the context of a message in an online news service, as an addendum to a statement on the nighttime drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, in which the UK is also alleged to have been involved.

So far there is no evidence as to who is responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines. All known circumstantial evidence points to Russia, but there are also counter-arguments . Sweden, Denmark and Germany have each set up investigation teams to look into the case.

https://i.imgur.com/wz10jSpl.jpg
https://t.me/MFARussia/13978
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 07:46 am
@snood,
Quote:
Re: izzythepush (Post 7274158)
I haven’t believed anything [Lash] says on here for years now.

Even so, it’s still a bit unsettling to see someone who tries to pass as reasonable and intelligent (and liberal) peddling such blatant, stupidly transparent lies as “Pelosi’s attacker is a leftist”.

Personally, I'm not unsettled by the predictable. Claims that the guy was a leftist emerged quickly from some rightwing sources thus it's no surprise that Lash sees and repeats the claim.

Fox's line now is... Rampant crime in liberal big cities!
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 07:53 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I haven’t believed anything she says on here for years now.

Even so, it’s still a bit unsettling to see someone who tries to pass as reasonable and intelligent (and liberal) peddling such blatant, stupidly transparent lies as “Pelosi’s attacker is a leftist”.

Unless you think I’ve mustered the evil powers of controlling Google, Google the attacker’s bio. Jeez, you guys exert a lot of effort to avoid the truth.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:02 am
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/28/paul-pelosi-nancy-pelosi-attack-david-depape

Excerpt:

Listed years ago in voting records as a Green party supporter, DePape said he also took to the streets with activists who opposed a successful push to ban public nudity in San Francisco, the Chronicle also reported.
More recently, Gene DePape and Mark DePape said, David maintained a Facebook account containing multiple conspiracy-laden posts.
—————————

Looks like mental illness was the biggest influence, but he voted Green and lived a liberal lifestyle. He also bought some views that right wingers believe.

Of course, with upcoming elections, it benefits Democrats to cast him as purely right wing.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:05 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Lash, while claiming to be a liberal attacks "lefties" for the crime comitted by right wingers.

Does anybody, anybody at all believe her bs about being left wing?

Don't all shout up at once.

Disclaimer, far right nutjobs needn't bother. I know Oralloy, et al will claim to believe her, that's a given.

I'm talking about normal, sane individuals.

Lash didn’t’ attack’ lefties. I just reported facts. I’m not responsible for the behavior of everyone who ever claimed to be a lefty.

This must be why you people never tell the truth about the crimes of establishment democrats.

So bizarre.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:06 am
Quote:
What we know about David DePape, the suspect in the attack on Paul Pelosi

The San Francisco Police Department has arrested 42-year-old David DePape for allegedly breaking into the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband Paul Pelosi, who was attacked in the early morning hours of 28 October.

Mr Pelosi “is receiving excellent medical care and is expected to make a full recovery” while in hospital, according to spokesperson Drew Hammill.

“The Speaker and her family are grateful to the first responders and medical professionals involved, and request privacy at this time,” he added. Speaker Pelosi was not in San Francisco at the time.


The San Francisco Police Department has arrested 42-year-old David DePape for allegedly breaking into the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband Paul Pelosi, who was attacked in the early morning hours of 28 October.

Mr Pelosi “is receiving excellent medical care and is expected to make a full recovery” while in hospital, according to spokesperson Drew Hammill.

“The Speaker and her family are grateful to the first responders and medical professionals involved, and request privacy at this time,” he added. Speaker Pelosi was not in San Francisco at the time.

Mr DePape will be charged with attempted homicide, among other charges, according to police.

Both Mr Pelosi and Mr DePape were taken to hospital for treatment.

Mr Pelosi reportedly suffered blunt force trauma to his head and body and is being treated for significant swelling and bruising, among other injuries.

Mr DePape will be indicted on charges of attempted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, burglary “and several, several other additional felonies,” according to San Francisco Police Chief William Scott.

US Capitol Police said in a statement that agents with the California field office “quickly arrived on scene”, while a team of investigators were dispatched to assist the FBI and San Francisco police in a joint investigation.

Officers were dispatched to the family’s home at 2.27am, according to Chief Scott.

The suspect reportedly entered the home through a glass door.

When they arrived on the scene, Mr DePape and Mr Pelosi were both seen holding a hammer.

The suspect pulled the hammer from Mr Pelosi and “violently assaulted him with it,” Mr Scott said.

Chief Scott added that officers “immediately tackled” Mr DePape and took him into custody.

According to CNN, the attacker attempted to tie up Mr Pelosi “until Nancy got home”.

When law enforcement arrived at the residence, the suspect said he was “waiting for Nancy”.

“The motive for this attack is still being determined,” Chief Scott said.

Mr DePape’s social media profiles reportedly included conspiracy theories surrounding the 2020 presidential election, the 6 January, 2021 attack on the US Capitol and Covid-19, according to since-removed profiles reviewed by CNN and The Wall Street Journal.

Public posts reviewed by CNN and confirmed as authentic by Mr DePape’s family include videos produced by MyPillow CEO and prominent election conspiracy theorist Mike Lindell, who continues to baselessly allege widespread fraud had manipulated the outcome of the 2020 election.

Other posts included transphobic images, false claims that Covid vaccines are deadly, and content surrounding sprawling conspiracy theories involving “global elites” allegedly corrupting and controlling the population.

His stepfather Gene DePape told CNN that he left Canada 20 years ago after growing up in British Columbia. He reportedly moved to California for a relationship.

A 2013 article in The San Francisco Chronicle identified Mr DePape as a “hemp jewelry maker” living in a Berkeley home with Gypsy Taub, their three children and another person.

Mr DePape’s stepmother, Teresa DePape, told The Daily Beast that “David has always had an opinion.”

“I’m one of these people who thinks everybody has an opinion, and I was raised when sticks and stones would break your bones, but words will never hurt you,” she told the outlet. “But hammers are not words.”

A former acquaintance told CNN that he was at one point living in a storage unit and “trying to create a new life for himself.”

She later received “really disturbing” emails from him in which he sounded like a “megalomaniac and so out of touch with reality,” she told the network. She reportedly cut off communication with him after she determined it was “dangerous” and used “Biblical justification to do harm.”

Another acquaintance told the network that he claimed to talk with angels and said that “there will be a hard time coming.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-we-know-about-david-depape-the-suspect-in-the-attack-on-paul-pelosi/ar-AA13tZ0i?ocid=winp2sv1plustaskbarhover&cvid=92d9ea1e5e42428d9ade9e9755dc430e

I suppose because he was a hemp jewelry maker he is a leftist regardless of conspiracy theories like the stolen 2020 election and Covid all that usual right wing, Christian nationalist crap. He is probably a guy who likes to join the most radical political movement there is ongoing, which fuels his need for hate and violence.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:11 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Unless you think I’ve mustered the evil powers of controlling Google, Google the attacker’s bio. Jeez, you guys exert a lot of effort to avoid the truth.

Details of the man's bio have been reported on by countless media entities. Your claim that he was a leftist are contradicted pretty much everywhere. See here
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:17 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Jeez, you guys exert a lot of effort to avoid the truth.

I don't think anyone here is "avoiding the truth". But people might question the apparent need by some to identify this crackpot as a "leftist". Nudism, anti-semitism, 9/11 as a government conspiracy, and climate crisis denial aren't really issues which make up any progressive ideology that I know of. If DePape has views which criticize our economic system from a Marxist or socialist perspective he doesn't seem to espouse them in a systematic way – if he espouses them at all.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:19 am
When you Google him, you find he was a Qanon nut who believed the 2020 election was stolen and that the 1/6 Committee collapsed, and who follows several conservative online creators like Glenn Beck.

A real lefty.

The account, which was taken down by Facebook’s owner Meta on Friday, included links to videos produced by the My Pillow CEO, Mike Lindell, which falsely claimed that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Republican incumbent Donald Trump in favor of his Democratic rival Joe Biden.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/28/paul-pelosi-
nancy-pelosi-attack-david-depape

Other posts mentioned videos falsely proclaiming that the congressional committee investigating the US Capitol attack staged by Trump supporters on January 6 had collapsed, and another was titled: “Global Elites Plan To Take Control Of YOUR Money! (Revealed)”.

DePape was known for embracing multiple conspiracy theories on subjects such as voter fraud, climate change, and the COVID pandemic on different online forums. He also has posted antisemitic screeds and videos from "My Pillow" founder and Donald Trump sycophant Mike Lindell.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/who-is-david-depape-suspect-paul-nancy-pelosi-attack-san-francisco-berkeley/

DePape followed a number of conservative creators online, including Tim Pool, Glenn Beck, DailyWire+ and the Epoch Times. He also followed an account on YouTube called Black Pilled and reposted several of its videos on his blog. “Blackpilling” is internet slang for coming to believe supposedly unacceptable facts about society, and the reposted videos include accusations such as the FBI covering up child rape.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-10-28/pelosi-attack-suspect-david-depape-shared-conspiracy-theories
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:24 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Jeez, you guys exert a lot of effort to avoid the truth.

I don't think anyone here is "avoiding the truth". But people might question the apparent need by some to identify this crackpot as a "leftist". Nudism, anti-semitism, 9/11 as a government conspiracy, and climate crisis denial aren't really issues which make up any progressive ideology that I know of. If DePape has views which criticize our economic system from a Marxist or socialist perspective he doesn't seem to espouse them in a systematic way – if he espouses them at all.

The way he voted should be mentioned. Green Party.
I don’t know of any conservatives who are nudist activists, live in a commune and derive their primary income from hemp clothing.
Why hide those facts?
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:26 am
@snood,
I agree that those items are true.
Why can’t you admit the items I mentioned are true?
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:28 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I suppose because he was a hemp jewelry maker he is a leftist
And also he is a nudist. So that's the "reasoning" or "evidence" Lash forwards for her claim.

John Boehner, who is heavily invested in the cannabis industry - that is, weed with THC that gets consumers stoned as opposed to hemp products which don't, such as the attacker would use for jewelry-making, is even more obviously a leftie.

Roger Stone, who for years has been active in the swinger community rather than merely nudism, is another obvious leftie.

And of course, Lash ignores the other far more relevant and more recent details of this guy's social media posts which clearly demonstrate his involvement in far right ideology.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:37 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Jeez, you guys exert a lot of effort to avoid the truth.

I don't think anyone here is "avoiding the truth". But people might question the apparent need by some to identify this crackpot as a "leftist". Nudism, anti-semitism, 9/11 as a government conspiracy, and climate crisis denial aren't really issues which make up any progressive ideology that I know of. If DePape has views which criticize our economic system from a Marxist or socialist perspective he doesn't seem to espouse them in a systematic way – if he espouses them at all.

Increasingly, very few Americans are dogmatic or systematically treading a line in their political beliefs. Because the two parties have merged, beliefs are all over the place.

Libs used to distrust the FBI CIA MIC—now, they embrace them. Yesterday’s villains are today’s sweethearts.

Then, there’s also the warped perception of people here making clueless judgments about what is leftist.

But, considering some of his views, he does seem to have a screw loose.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:39 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
I suppose because he was a hemp jewelry maker he is a leftist
And also he is a nudist. So that's the "reasoning" or "evidence" Lash forwards for her claim.

John Boehner, who is heavily invested in the cannabis industry - that is, weed with THC that gets consumers stoned as opposed to hemp products which don't, such as the attacker would use for jewelry-making, is even more obviously a leftie.

Roger Stone, who for years has been active in the swinger community rather than merely nudism, is another obvious leftie.

And of course, Lash ignores the other far more relevant and more recent details of this guy's social media posts which clearly demonstrate his involvement in far right ideology.

No, I don’t ignore them. You and your compadres are ignoring the facts that don’t align with YOUR particular worldview.

And you reframed my comments in such a way to intentionally misrepresent what I said.

Imagine my surprise.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 08:55 am
@Lash,
Quote:
And you reframed my comments in such a way to intentionally misrepresent what I said.

Sure. Let's quote what it was you wrote:
Quote:
The Pelosi assailant was a lefty.
 

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