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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 02:39 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
You addressed that post of georgeob1 which referred to a response to his post where he opines about those things.

Yes, but that response to georgeob1's post did not address any of georgeob1's points.

Georgeob1 questioned the point of the response. And my reply to georgeob1 was in relation to the point of the response.

By the time I posted, georgeob1's points were not being discussed. Instead the discussion was about the weird response to his post that failed to address any of his points.


oralloy wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
I that some kind of litmus test??? What is your purpose here?

Progressives ask those questions when they are (once again) unable to address facts and logic, and need to change the subject to something else.

I thought you were commenting in context of the exchange between georgeob1 and blatham.

So what are these facts and logic that progressives are unable to address?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 04:46 pm
I’ve asked the question here, and a few other places I post regularly. And I haven’t received an answer that seems sensible to me.

Why should the average citizen/voter pay attention to the polls?
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 06:52 pm
@snood,
Voting polls are usually wrong so I don't pay them any attention. They're very subjective and therefore useless. Either they'll be right or they'll be wrong; in any case, who cares? All that matters is the outcome. Polls are just a lot of senseless noise.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 09:16 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

I’ve asked the question here, and a few other places I post regularly. And I haven’t received an answer that seems sensible to me.

Why should the average citizen/voter pay attention to the polls?


Mainly because the average citizen/voter doesn't follow politics, read about current events, or even know who is running for what office.

Polls try to convince the sheep how they should vote or not, depending on how the voter thinks the race is going. If the polls say it will be a blowout, do you think the ordinary citizen will bother going to the polls to vote?

oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 10:09 pm
@McGentrix,
I saw the mount drop from Headless Horseman tonight in Wrath of the Lich King Classic.

I passed on it, believe it or not. All I wanted is to do was complete the holiday achievements (which I also managed to do tonight), and every one else was so eager to be the one to win the lottery.

I don't know if I would have passed had it been Ashes Of Al'ar.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 10:12 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Which argument? Recognizing the political desire of the inhabitants or appropriating their land based on their ethnicity?

I'm not sure that there is a practical difference between the two. It might be two sides of the same coin, depending on whether you are criticizing or supporting the action.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 10:13 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
So what are these facts and logic that progressives are unable to address?

It could be almost anything. One second you're talking about "whatever" and the next they're asking whether you believe Mr. Biden won, or they're accusing you of listening to Fox News.

It's actually a form of the ad hominem logical fallacy. Criticizing the speaker instead of criticizing the speaker's arguments.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 10:14 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Have y'all woke up yet to the fact that NOTHING is going to happen to Trump?

Of course. I knew that the accusations against Mr. Trump were all fraudulent way back in 2016.

It's a shame that nothing happens to his accusers though. Hopefully when Mr. Trump is returns to office in 2025, a whole bunch of progressives will find the FBI and IRS going through their lives with a fine-toothed comb to see if they've committed any prosecutable offenses.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 10:15 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Why should the average citizen/voter pay attention to the polls?

Because that person might be interested in the outcome of the election. And the polls, although flawed, are likely to be the least-bad way of assessing what that future outcome will be, especially if you use a site like fivethirtyeight or electionbettingodds (or both).
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 03:08 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Polls try to convince the sheep how they should vote or not, depending on how the voter thinks the race is going.

No they don't. "Polls" aren't animate objects which attempt to perform certain tasks. There are actual people who design them and statisticians who help compile and interpret them.
Quote:
If the polls say it will be a blowout, do you think the ordinary citizen will bother going to the polls to vote?

It depends on how committed they are to the candidates and ideas they support. Some people actually vote on principle.

The problem with polls always comes down to what method was used to select the people who are polled, what questions were asked, and whether the results truly represent the opinions of the electorate. Many people resent polls and won't answer them while others deliberately feed them lies. Push polls are also designed to reflect the ideology of the people paying for the poll. Over-reliant on polling, political campaigns have succeeded in reducing public trust in poll results as too many of them have been wrong.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 03:15 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
I'm not sure that there is a practical difference between the two.

In one instance, the desire of people to live independently is expressed and they work to achieve their goal. In the other, one country subjugates the population of another and imposes a new nationality on people based solely on their ethnicity. The reason I wanted to make a distinction is that in Ukraine, many of the ethnic Russians actually support the government in Kiev and prefer to think of themselves as "Ukrainian".
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 03:18 am
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Data released this morning from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis showed that the nation’s gross domestic product—that is, the total value of goods and services produced in the U.S.—was up in the third quarter of 2022, increasing at an annual rate of 2.6%. This increase reflected increases in “exports, consumer spending, nonresidential fixed investment, federal government spending, and state and local government spending,” as well as decreases in imports. That growth was partly offset by lower housing sales.

Disposable personal income and personal savings were also up.

The previous two quarters had shown the economy contracting, and since Republicans have made the notion that the country is in a recession a centerpiece of their campaign messaging, President Joe Biden was quick to celebrate the news, saying in a statement that “today we got further evidence that our economic recovery is continuing to power forward.” He noted that the country has added 10 million jobs since he took office and that employment remains at a 50-year high.

New York Times economic and business reporter Ben Casselman complicated the story a bit. He noted that the data from the past three quarters—two down, one up—shows that the economy is slowing, and he suggested that this quarter’s big swing upward is due to changes in trade and inventories. But, he pointed out, slowing the economy a bit is exactly what the Federal Reserve is trying to do: slow demand to bring down inflation.

The primary tool the Fed uses to do that is interest rates, but those adjustments are very blunt instruments, and those people interested in continuing growth are always worried the Fed will raise interest rates too much, too fast, throwing the economy into reverse. Trying to figure out exactly how to adjust the economy so inflation slows but employment doesn’t, seems to me to be rather like trying to catch an egg on a plate, as the saying goes.

Biden observed today that inflation remains a problem—“we need to make more progress on our top economic challenge: bringing down high prices for American families”—but noted that gas prices continue to fall (the average price of a gallon of gas today was $3.76 a gallon). He also pointed to the Inflation Reduction Act’s reduction of drug prices and health care premiums, which will go into effect next year. In addition, the administration yesterday announced plans to stop so-called junk fees on consumers, as well.

Yesterday, Jim Tankersley and Emily Cochrane of the New York Times noted that Republicans are emphasizing inflation as a reason to vote Democrats out of office. Republicans say they will reduce government spending and pass more tax cuts, including a repeal of the tax increases on corporations that the Democrats passed this summer. They promise to cut funding for the IRS, which Congress funded to enable it to go after corporations and the very wealthy who cheat on their taxes.

But, Tankersley and Cochrane point out, “few economists on either end of the ideological spectrum expect the party’s proposals to meaningfully reduce inflation in the short term.” Indeed, economists say tax cuts could make inflation worse by freeing up more money.

What would take money out of the economy, though, is Republicans’ promise to get rid of the IRA’s new health care tax credits and caps on drug prices. They also promise to stop Biden’s student loan forgiveness program, which would put loan burdens back on about 40 million Americans, thus cutting down their disposable income.

Meanwhile, London-based oil company Shell today reported its third-quarter adjusted earnings. They were the second highest on record for Shell: $9.45 billion. (Shell’s top earnings period was the second quarter of this year, when it reported $11.5 billion.) Profits for Paris-based TotalEnergies were $9.9 billion. That’s more than double what their profits were in the same period last year. Shell says it will use the windfall to buy back about $4 billion of its shares, making this year’s total buybacks $18.5 billion. It will also increase dividends to shareholders.

According to Stanley Reed of the New York Times, Shell’s chief financial officer told reporters that the company had not paid Britain’s new windfall tax on oil and gas profits because the company’s spending on projects in the North Sea had reduced profits, but that they expected to see the tax kick in next year.

If Biden is focusing on the economy before the midterms, the Republicans seem to be doubling down on their ties to the right-wing movements around the world. In a speech today, Russian president Vladimir Putin appeared to be reaching out to right-wing Americans when he divided “the West,” into two groups: one of “traditional, mainly Christian values” that aligns with Russia, and one of “aggressive, cosmopolitan, neocolonial” values “acting as the weapon of the neoliberal elite” and trying to impose its “strange” values on the world.

Antisemitism is also on the rise on the American right in what looks like outreach to those embracing European-style fascism. Former president Trump recently warned American Jews to “get their act together” and show more support for Israel “before it is too late,” while the recent outbursts from artist Ye (also known as Kanye West) have led Adidas to cancel its contract with him and upended his other projects. In Pennsylvania the Republican candidate for governor, Doug Mastriano, a right-wing Christian who opposes the separation of church and state, has made attacking the Jewish faith of his Democratic opponent, Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a big part of his campaign.

“Empirically, something is different,” Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive officer of the Anti-Defamation League, told Michelle Boorstein and Isaac Arnsdorf of the Washington Post. “The level of public animosity towards Jews is higher than it’s been in recent memory.” My own guess is that increasing antisemitism on the part of Republicans is not simply the encouragement of hate such as that exhibited four years ago today when a gunman murdered eleven people and wounded six more at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, but is rather an attempt to signal directly to neo-Nazis before the election that the party wants their support.

The danger posed by the current-day Republican Party’s embrace of authoritarianism is not going unchallenged. Indeed, it is remaking American politics as defenders of democracy band together. Today, Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) endorsed Representative Elissa Slotkin (D-MI) for reelection, her first endorsement of a Democrat since the Republican Party turned on her over her insistence on holding Trump to account for the January 6 attack on the Capitol.

Both women sit on the House Armed Services Committee. Cheney called Slotkin “a good and honorable public servant who works hard for the people she represents, wants what's best for the country, and is in this for the right reasons.” Cheney continued: “While Elissa and I have our policy disagreements, at a time when our nation is facing threats at home and abroad, we need serious, responsible, substantive members like Elissa in Congress. I encourage all voters in the 7th district—Republicans, Democrats, and Independents—to support her in this election.” The two will appear together at an “evening for patriotism and bipartisanship” on November 1.

And in Alaska, Senator Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, and Representative Mary Peltola, a Democrat, have just endorsed each other in the upcoming election. The Alaska Federation of Natives has endorsed them both.

hcr
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 05:12 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
In one instance, the desire of people to live independently is expressed and they work to achieve their goal. In the other, one country subjugates the population of another and imposes a new nationality on people based solely on their ethnicity. The reason I wanted to make a distinction is that in Ukraine, many of the ethnic Russians actually support the government in Kiev and prefer to think of themselves as "Ukrainian".

Both versions violate the international principle of territorial integrity.

And if the Kosovar Albanians have the right to declare independence, it is curious why the North Kosovar Serbs lack that same right.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 05:47 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
hightor wrote:
In one instance, the desire of people to live independently is expressed and they work to achieve their goal. In the other, one country subjugates the population of another and imposes a new nationality on people based solely on their ethnicity. The reason I wanted to make a distinction is that in Ukraine, many of the ethnic Russians actually support the government in Kiev and prefer to think of themselves as "Ukrainian".

Both versions violate the international principle of territorial integrity.
Territorial integrity is the principle under international law that gives the right to sovereign states to defend their borders and all territory in them of another state.

The right of peoples to self-determination,however, one of the fundamental rights of international law, states that a people has the right to decide freely on its political status, its form of state and government, and its economic, social and cultural development.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 05:49 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
And if the Kosovar Albanians have the right to declare independence, it is curious why the North Kosovar Serbs lack that same right.
'North Kosovo' isn't a state/country but part of Kosovo.

I have no idea what Kosovo's constitution means in terms of whether and how parts of the country can separate from the state.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 06:00 am
@oralloy,
Generally, I think that multi-ethnic federations make more sense than a profusion of mini-nations. But constitutional democracies which recognize and respect all people regardless of their ethnicity make even more sense.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 06:03 am
Russia continues funding media in the U.S.

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RUSSIAN STATE MEDIA MONEY CONTINUES TO FLOW: Months after Russia invaded Ukraine and media companies dropped the country’s state programming, Russian government funding continues to flow into U.S. media.

Between April and the end of September, Russian state media group Rossiya Segodnya funneled $3,284,169 to Ghebi, a company that produces articles, newswires and a number of radio shows. During that same period, Ghebi spent $2,183,640.72 on behalf of its client, according to an October filing with the Department of Justice made under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

POLITICO Influence reported in August that Ghebi and the agency, which controls the media outlet Sputnik, had renewed their contract, with a yearlong budget set for $7 million, the biggest since Ghebi began reporting its contracts to the Department of Justice. Although companies including YouTube and DirecTV have dropped Russian state media, the country's government appears to continue to see value in media spending, even as it wages war in Ukraine.

That same month, Rebel Media Productions — a company run by controversial former local news anchor Benjamin Swann — registered to represent the Russian government-backed media organization TV Novosti. The production company would oversee video production for TV Novosti and other clients, focusing solely on the Indian, Chinese, and South American TV markets. A filing also noted that Rebel Media Productions had received $609,792 to pay laid off RT America employees.

politico
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 06:22 am
@oralloy,
Maybe not the best thread but why pass on it? I still have the helm on my bank from when he terrorized Kharanos.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 07:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oralloy is doing what he always does, choosing who's right and amending the facts accordingly.

Always blinkered, self rightious nonsense.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2022 07:16 am
@izzythepush,
You're lying about me again. You cannot point out any fact that I have altered in this case, or in any other case.

As usual, you can't address my actual arguments, so you just lie about me instead.
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